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CCP Nullarbor wrote:

Kevall Longstride wrote:

CCP Nullarbor wrote:

Forlorn Destrier wrote:

[CCP's stance that this is not a critical item at this time is bull. I respect CCP Nullabar, but he is living in a cloud world on this issue. The players need a way to protect themselves; taking on risks without knowing is stupid.

I absolutely agree with this statement and we will brainstorm some ways to fix the confusion, players should not have their corporation stolen without understanding why or the risks they are taking on. There may be some changes to the handling of shares that make this process safer for CEOs to manage, so I will have a conversation with the team about that as well.

However the reality is that revamping the corporation system or integrating alliances into dust would be a fantastic but very expensive task. At this stage, we can provide so much more value into the game with that development time instead, which is why it is lower priority for us.

EVE did not have alliances for a couple of years (2004 iirc), we will get there in the end it's just going to take a bit of time.

I can tell you all that from chatting/badgering him constantly at Fanfest and by twitter that CCP Nullabor is nuts for better Corp UI but like he says a complete revamp of the Eve/Dust corp UI will be a BIG project (like crimewatch big for those who play Eve). I want more corp stuff than anyone else in the game but I know the difficulties in doing it. But this is going to be a continuing problem so if a band aid is needed to give a temporary fix before a reworking of the UI from the ground up can be done, then I'm happy about that.

Still going pester the crap out of you Nullabor for my Corp Fittings and hangers still....

Please do, because it is important.

I look forward to chatting more about this at Fanfest next year too (you are coming right?).


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Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 635	Posted - 2013.11.07 20:58:00 - [1] - Quote This was always going to happen at some point, I'm just surprised it took this long. I know I'm getting the reputation as the 'Dust Corp UI' advocate but all this does is strengthen the long held argument by many in Eve that the entire Corp UI in Eve needs completley overhauling. And now with the addition of Dust into the mix it really should be becoming a higher priority in both games as the time of full integration gets closer. Now as it happens, DUST University was created in the Eve client, pretty much the day Dust 514 was announced. This enabled a couple of things straight of the bat that some may not know is possible in Dust. First of all, the Corp was created by an alt that Kelduum Revaan, the CEO at the time of EVE University set up for that purpose. When Dust was about to enter closed Beta, he made another alt he had, CEO of D-UNI. This alt had all the corporation managment skills in Eve maxed out and applying that alt's skill on the the corp means that D-UNI can have 6500 members. But here's the beauty part of it. Because of the way the corp mechanics work in Eve, ANY Eve (or Dust) character can be made CEO with just the Corp Management Skill trained to level one and the corp can still have the maximum number of members an Eve corp can have. If a Dust Merc made a corp in Dust and maxed the Corporation Skills in Dust, the corp could get no bigger than 1350 members. Not exactly equal footing is it? It also meant that D-UNI was part of IVY League right away and as long as I pay the Alliance fee Eve side it remains so. Ready made corp creation is a lucrative career in Eve by the way... Kelduum then made me CEO (after I spent 16 minutes training Corp Management to level I) and transfered the shares to me in Eve. Dennie is the CEO, Kevall is my merc clone, its in the sig. The fact is that the corp UI in both games is a mess but Dust's is limited in what can be done to improve it by the fact that at some point in the future it will have to work with the Eve one in such a way as to prevent this sort of thing happening. I know that CCP are itching to do it as it gives them an excuse to replace a legacy system in Eve. And there are plenty of CEO's in both games that hope they do it sooner rather than later. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 636	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:31:00 - [2] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: snip. Mind blown! Thank you for throwing some knowledge at us. Very much appreciated. No problem. Here to help. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 637	Posted - 2013.11.08 00:14:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: [CCP's stance that this is not a critical item at this time is bull. I respect CCP Nullabar, but he is living in a cloud world on this issue. The players need a way to protect themselves; taking on risks without knowing is stupid. I absolutely agree with this statement and we will brainstorm some ways to fix the confusion, players should not have their corporation stolen without understanding why or the risks they are taking on. There may be some changes to the handling of shares that make this process safer for CEOs to manage, so I will have a conversation with the team about that as well. However the reality is that revamping the corporation system or integrating alliances into dust would be a fantastic but very expensive task. At this stage, we can provide so much more value into the game with that development time instead, which is why it is lower priority for us. EVE did not have alliances for a couple of years (2004 iirc), we will get there in the end it's just going to take a bit of time. I can tell you all that from chatting/badgering him constantly at Fanfest and by twitter that CCP Nullabor is nuts for better Corp UI but like he says a complete revamp of the Eve/Dust corp UI will be a BIG project (like crimewatch big for those who play Eve). I want more corp stuff than anyone else in the game but I know the difficulties in doing it. But this is going to be a continuing problem so if a band aid is needed to give a temporary fix before a reworking of the UI from the ground up can be done, then I'm happy about that. Still going pester the crap out of you Nullabor for my Corp Fittings and hangers still.... Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 638	Posted - 2013.11.08 08:50:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: [CCP's stance that this is not a critical item at this time is bull. I respect CCP Nullabar, but he is living in a cloud world on this issue. The players need a way to protect themselves; taking on risks without knowing is stupid. I absolutely agree with this statement and we will brainstorm some ways to fix the confusion, players should not have their corporation stolen without understanding why or the risks they are taking on. There may be some changes to the handling of shares that make this process safer for CEOs to manage, so I will have a conversation with the team about that as well. However the reality is that revamping the corporation system or integrating alliances into dust would be a fantastic but very expensive task. At this stage, we can provide so much more value into the game with that development time instead, which is why it is lower priority for us. EVE did not have alliances for a couple of years (2004 iirc), we will get there in the end it's just going to take a bit of time. I can tell you all that from chatting/badgering him constantly at Fanfest and by twitter that CCP Nullabor is nuts for better Corp UI but like he says a complete revamp of the Eve/Dust corp UI will be a BIG project (like crimewatch big for those who play Eve). I want more corp stuff than anyone else in the game but I know the difficulties in doing it. But this is going to be a continuing problem so if a band aid is needed to give a temporary fix before a reworking of the UI from the ground up can be done, then I'm happy about that. Still going pester the crap out of you Nullabor for my Corp Fittings and hangers still.... Please do, because it is important. I look forward to chatting more about this at Fanfest next year too (you are coming right?). Hell yeah. Flight was booked 2 months ago. Just waiting for the tickets and hotel deals to be released. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University