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Vala Prime DUST CORE Zero-Day 8	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:42:00 - [1] - Quote OK what the heck before shutdown today i was given a message that said a eve player in my corp was running for CEO of my corp and that my CEO roles where removed till the vote was final and in truth i have been shut out and whats worst this eve pilot is not a director he doesn't have a singe role and also apparent only eve pilots are allowed to make these votes so it seems there is nothing i can do about it and in fact i think he already has control of the corp with his vote of 1!!! I Don't know how this happened and it is completely unfair and wrong that EVE is allowed to do this some how and no one i have talked to even knows how he can do it with out any roles. I have submitted a ticket and emailed customer support but by the time i get a reply this pilot will have probably deleted all the members and again there is nothing i can do...... so yeah what the heck!!!!!
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 908	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:44:00 - [2] - Quote You got Corp jacked b*tech, welcome to New Eden For the Empire! Member of ASS: Amarr Secret Service.
prime cat DUST CORE Zero-Day 0	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:04:00 - [3] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: You got Corp jacked b*tech, welcome to New Eden Inorder for this to have happen the pilot must.have had ether accountant roles or director roles. He than takes all your corporation shares and starts a vote to overthrow the CEO then the share holders vote. The pilot is the only one with shares so he will become the CEO If he was able to get a hold of your shares ether someone gave him roles or another one of your pilots with director roles transferred him the shares. yes i know that and that's the thing i never gave him shares you cant even see shares on dust and he is not a director or accountant or any other role for that matter and the only other pilot that is on and is a director is my husband who was in a dead sleep in the other room when this happened 15min before server shut down

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2956	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:05:00 - [4] - Quote The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 909	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:12:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. Can not directors also take shares from the Corp? my EVE account has director roles and I can see the shares will I not be able to take them if I tried? For the Empire! Member of ASS: Amarr Secret Service.
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 230	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:16:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. It may be better to remove that function when in relation to Dust Created Corps. If you aren't going to have it for both sides, then neither side should be able to make use of it. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Vala Prime DUST CORE Zero-Day 8	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:17:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. ok so we are screwed thanks for clearing that up that all dust players are usless against anything eve side because we have no tools or notification of the lack of tools to do anything about everything that eve can do to dust players .... yay

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2958	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:23:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. Can not directors also take shares from the Corp? my EVE account has director roles and I can see the shares will I not be able to take them if I tried? When a DUST character creates a corporation we assign all of the shares to them, so no, an EVE director cannot take any of the shares. This was done to prevent the exact scenario you described. This case of corp theft by shares only applies if the corp was originally created by an EVE character or if the DUST CEO reassigned the corp to an EVE character at any stage, in which case the shares stay in the corporation wallet. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit


CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2958	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:25:00 - [9] - Quote Vala Prime wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. ok so we are screwed thanks for clearing that up that all dust players are usless against anything eve side because we have no tools or notification of the lack of tools to do anything about everything that eve can do to dust players .... yay You can try petitioning it, but as I said, this can only occur if the corp came from EVE or you assigned it to EVE at some point. In which case we expect that you understand the corporation mechanics (as much as anyone could understand the EVE corporation mechanics anyway, I agree it is pretty confusing). CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1735	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:30:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Vala Prime wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. ok so we are screwed thanks for clearing that up that all dust players are usless against anything eve side because we have no tools or notification of the lack of tools to do anything about everything that eve can do to dust players .... yay You can try petitioning it, but as I said, this can only occur if the corp came from EVE or you assigned it to EVE at some point. In which case we expect that you understand the corporation mechanics (as much as anyone could understand the EVE corporation mechanics anyway, I agree it is pretty confusing). How can a strictly DUST player understand corporation mechanics that are not present in the DUST client? AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana

Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 231	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:31:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Vala Prime wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. ok so we are screwed thanks for clearing that up that all dust players are usless against anything eve side because we have no tools or notification of the lack of tools to do anything about everything that eve can do to dust players .... yay You can try petitioning it, but as I said, this can only occur if the corp came from EVE or you assigned it to EVE at some point. In which case we expect that you understand the corporation mechanics (as much as anyone could understand the EVE corporation mechanics anyway, I agree it is pretty confusing). Dust CEOs have to give up their rank to an Eve player to create alliances, see how this could be a problem? Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 210	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:32:00 - [12] - Quote Alright, good to know. Never let an Eve guy touch my CEO title. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 910	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:35:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. Can not directors also take shares from the Corp? my EVE account has director roles and I can see the shares will I not be able to take them if I tried? When a DUST character creates a corporation we assign all of the shares to them, so no, an EVE director cannot take any of the shares. This was done to prevent the exact scenario you described. This case of corp theft by shares only applies if the corp was originally created by an EVE character or if the DUST CEO reassigned the corp to an EVE character at any stage, in which case the shares stay in the corporation wallet. Okay that clears up a lot, thank you. For the Empire! Member of ASS: Amarr Secret Service.
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:35:00 - [14] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: How can a strictly DUST player understand corporation mechanics that are not present in the DUST client? This. I think you guys should seriously reconsider including this mechanic in Dust. It's crazy-sauce to have a major shared mechanic, like corporations, between the games and only partially implement it in one.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 210	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:35:00 - [15] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: How can a strictly DUST player understand corporation mechanics that are not present in the DUST client? That's incredibly problematic CCP. This point needs to be highly visible and throughly detailed to people Dust side, and not bookended into a backpage tutorial system. I had no idea there was even a share system involved with my own Dust character. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2963	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:39:00 - [16] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Vala Prime wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. ok so we are screwed thanks for clearing that up that all dust players are usless against anything eve side because we have no tools or notification of the lack of tools to do anything about everything that eve can do to dust players .... yay You can try petitioning it, but as I said, this can only occur if the corp came from EVE or you assigned it to EVE at some point. In which case we expect that you understand the corporation mechanics (as much as anyone could understand the EVE corporation mechanics anyway, I agree it is pretty confusing). How can a strictly DUST player understand corporation mechanics that are not present in the DUST client? We will add a warning message about this specifically, we have no plans to implement shares in DUST but at the same time we cannot remove them from EVE. Educating people about their actions is the best way forward I think and we can do a better job of this. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 210	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:39:00 - [17] - Quote From a Corp created in Dust standpoint, I simply want to confirm that making an Eve pilot a director, even if I had never granted him a CEO position would not jeopardize my ability to retain control of the Dust Corporation as CEO through the shares system. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2963	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:44:00 - [18] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: From a Corp created in Dust standpoint, I simply want to confirm that making an Eve pilot a director, even if I had never granted him a CEO position would not jeopardize my ability to retain control of the Dust Corporation as CEO through the shares system. I can confirm this. A corporation created in DUST cannot have shares reassigned so long as the CEO remains a DUST character. Giving an EVE character director role is safe in this regard (they can still kick all of the other members etc). CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 210	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:47:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: From a Corp created in Dust standpoint, I simply want to confirm that making an Eve pilot a director, even if I had never granted him a CEO position would not jeopardize my ability to retain control of the Dust Corporation as CEO through the shares system. I can confirm this. A corporation created in DUST cannot have shares reassigned so long as the CEO remains a DUST character. Giving an EVE character director role is safe in this regard (they can still kick all of the other members etc). Thank you for the reply CCP Nullarbor. That should be fine as all members in our corp are directors. Controlled Chaos makes for a fun experiment. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers EoN. 1810	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:53:00 - [20] - Quote At what point null is a dust or eve player Ever ment to find out about that I'm for awoxing but u got to give dust players a chance. I'm getting real sick of the double standarders between the two games "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers

Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 741	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:54:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: From a Corp created in Dust standpoint, I simply want to confirm that making an Eve pilot a director, even if I had never granted him a CEO position would not jeopardize my ability to retain control of the Dust Corporation as CEO through the shares system. I can confirm this. A corporation created in DUST cannot have shares reassigned so long as the CEO remains a DUST character. Giving an EVE character director role is safe in this regard (they can still kick all of the other members etc). However, you should clarify that if the corp has EVER had an EVE player as CEO, those shares are released, and the risk is there. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 897	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:57:00 - [22] - Quote This time CCP it's your fault, we don't have control over shares and the only way to join an alliance in DUST is to trust an EVE player and give him the CEO role. Give back all the shares to that guy and his CEO role. Then add a way to join an alliance from DUST without the need of an EVE character. "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Commissioner G0RD0N 25	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:06:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. how about simply removing the ability for an EVE player to have such power over a DUST corp?? nothing in DUST allows these 'shares' so why would it even be in the game? once again the interface between the 2 games causing issues that simply shouldn't be... DJINN Rampage; textbook definition of a coprophageous monkey trained to use a keyboard Wanted 4 impersonating a Templar

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2965	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:06:00 - [24] - Quote shaman oga wrote: This time CCP it's your fault, we don't have control over shares and the only way to join an alliance in DUST is to trust an EVE player and give him the CEO role. Give back all the shares to that guy and his CEO role. Then add a way to join an alliance from DUST without the need of an EVE character. Alliances are cool and we will add them officially to DUST at some stage but for now they serve little game play purpose and remain an EVE feature just like shares. If you want an alliance you better understand the implications of doing so. Also, you do have control over shares if you assigned the corporation to an EVE character they can take the shares out of the corporation wallet for safe keeping before giving back the CEO to the DUST character. This all assumes you trust the EVE character though, which is a tough commodity to come by in this game. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1228	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:07:00 - [25] - Quote This is what you get for working alongside Capsuleers. Never trust an amateur statistician with a pirate fantasy. Cheeseburgers.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2967	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:11:00 - [26] - Quote Commissioner G0RD0N wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. how about simply removing the ability for an EVE player to have such power over a DUST corp?? nothing in DUST allows these 'shares' so why would it even be in the game? once again the interface between the 2 games causing issues that simply shouldn't be... The important part of your question here is "DUST Corp". The moment the CEO was assigned to an EVE player it became a mixed corp and so now you are playing with the expanded rules. I get that players want to form alliances but you can't have your cake and eat it too. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1653	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:14:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Commissioner G0RD0N wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. how about simply removing the ability for an EVE player to have such power over a DUST corp?? nothing in DUST allows these 'shares' so why would it even be in the game? once again the interface between the 2 games causing issues that simply shouldn't be... The important part of your question here is "DUST Corp". The moment the CEO was assigned to an EVE player it became a mixed corp and so now you are playing with the expanded rules. I get that players want to form alliances but you can't have your cake and eat it too. So, what can be done for corps that have joined alliances? Now all their shares are floating in a wallet waiting to be taken unless they have active EVE players managing these roles. Plex an eve character specifically to lock them up? Check out & sub my youtube. Yay!

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2967	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:19:00 - [28] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Commissioner G0RD0N wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. how about simply removing the ability for an EVE player to have such power over a DUST corp?? nothing in DUST allows these 'shares' so why would it even be in the game? once again the interface between the 2 games causing issues that simply shouldn't be... The important part of your question here is "DUST Corp". The moment the CEO was assigned to an EVE player it became a mixed corp and so now you are playing with the expanded rules. I get that players want to form alliances but you can't have your cake and eat it too. So, what can be done for corps that have joined alliances? Now all their shares are floating in a wallet waiting to be taken unless they have active EVE players managing these roles. Plex an eve character specifically to lock them up? edit: nevermind. Apparently going to be plexing an eve character to sort this out. All you need is an EVE director to remove all the shares from the corporation wallet yes. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 741	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:22:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: shaman oga wrote: This time CCP it's your fault, we don't have control over shares and the only way to join an alliance in DUST is to trust an EVE player and give him the CEO role. Give back all the shares to that guy and his CEO role. Then add a way to join an alliance from DUST without the need of an EVE character. Alliances are cool and we will add them officially to DUST at some stage but for now they serve little game play purpose and remain an EVE feature just like shares. If you want an alliance you better understand the implications of doing so. Also, you do have control over shares if you assigned the corporation to an EVE character they can take the shares out of the corporation wallet for safe keeping before giving back the CEO to the DUST character. This all assumes you trust the EVE character though, which is a tough commodity to come by in this game. It sounds to me like you have a disconnect with reality on what's important to your game. Alliances continue to be a hugely important content driver for PC, and the DUST team's failure to implement them properly time and time again is embarrassing. The biggest conflict drivers in this game are things like EoN (an alliance), and then people rising up against EoN. Or Public Disorder (an alliance), and people trying to push them around. Alliances are the number one most important thing for your dev team to be doing. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2968	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:29:00 - [30] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: shaman oga wrote: This time CCP it's your fault, we don't have control over shares and the only way to join an alliance in DUST is to trust an EVE player and give him the CEO role. Give back all the shares to that guy and his CEO role. Then add a way to join an alliance from DUST without the need of an EVE character. Alliances are cool and we will add them officially to DUST at some stage but for now they serve little game play purpose and remain an EVE feature just like shares. If you want an alliance you better understand the implications of doing so. Also, you do have control over shares if you assigned the corporation to an EVE character they can take the shares out of the corporation wallet for safe keeping before giving back the CEO to the DUST character. This all assumes you trust the EVE character though, which is a tough commodity to come by in this game. It sounds to me like you have a disconnect with reality on what's important to your game. Alliances continue to be a hugely important content driver for PC, and the DUST team's failure to implement them properly time and time again is embarrassing. The biggest conflict drivers in this game are things like EoN (an alliance), and then people rising up against EoN. Or Public Disorder (an alliance), and people trying to push them around. Alliances are the number one most important thing for your dev team to be doing. Of course they are important, but adding official support for them vs say expanding planetary conquest itself I think is a no brainer. The tools to build alliances exist and you guys have proven that its possible provided you work around the sharp edges. It would be a great quality of life addition to have proper support for them but the cost of doing all that right now is not worth doing today (the cost is much higher than I think people realize). As I said though, we will add it in time but realistically it affects just a handful of people who have to click the relevant buttons, they can deal with managing this from EVE for now. I am 100% on board with helping explain it all better though, we will add some tasks on our todo list for this. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit




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