i have always seen a problem because dust ceo's have no way to join an alliance without eve. i find it in not fair in this case. this is exactly what happened to kill orders and THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES i find it stupid.

You must not understand how this works because most of what you are writing is not actually factual at all. Stop posting silliness like this or you will just attract more bad guys like me to your corp because it shows you are ready for the same thing. Let me give you some clarity because you really need it.

Once a bad guy has the shares... there is nothing ANYONE can do about when they place a vote. Only the shareholders can place the vote. EVE players can't fight back or do anything about it either. Its not fair because espionage/hostile take overs are not ever fair. Whomever has the shares controls the corp.

What little rock are you hiding in? This kind of thing happens all the time in EVE... Even from the big corps which should know better. I would suggest you do a google search and expand your mind if your rock has internet access.



I will add in the case of DUST CORE they had made another alt CEO long before Jihad got there, Jihad just had the shares dropped in his lap when he joined up later. (He says "thanks" for that to the angel who did that for him). The CEO at the time also had an EVE character as well and even then they didnt know better. If a corp chooses a leader who is naive, ignorant or just plain dumb that is too bad. Most sharp people out there would recommend against joining corps which are run by them and are unable to have the strategic vision to understand the New Eden pitfalls.

Reading through this thread I really think that until shares are implemented in Dust the shares of a Dust founded corp should be permanently assigned to the Dust CEO and Founder. At a later date if/when shares are implemented the Dust founder can then assign the shares as he pleases.

The standard MO in Eve is to create a corporation and then assign all the shares to the CEO and Founder. When a Dust corp is created in Dust this automatically done. I think the problem lies in the fact that when an Eve CEO is appointed it is undone involuntarily. If there is no desire to create a shares system in Dust then have the Dust founder be assigned the shares until such time that a system is in place for the Dust character to change their location. The Dust character can then decide themselves what to do with the shares.

Exactly what I have said.

Dust CEOs have to give up their rank to an Eve player to create alliances, see how this could be a problem?

The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO.

The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved.

Alliances are cool and we will add them officially to DUST at some stage but for now they serve little game play purpose and remain an EVE feature just like shares. If you want an alliance you better understand the implications of doing so.

Also, you do have control over shares if you assigned the corporation to an EVE character they can take the shares out of the corporation wallet for safe keeping before giving back the CEO to the DUST character. This all assumes you trust the EVE character though, which is a tough commodity to come by in this game.

The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO.

The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved.

I think the easiest solution seems to be to just have the shares auto-assigned to the Duster that founds the corp. They then stay in the Dusters possession until CCP gives Dusters the ability to use shares.

Also for those reading this post for the first time please read as much of each page as possible.

I think the easiest solution seems to be to just have the shares auto-assigned to the Duster that founds the corp. They then stay in the Dusters possession until CCP gives Dusters the ability to use shares.

or how bout just removing the shares from dust-made corps since other than random pilot BS it has no place in this game?

this is far from the first time this has happened, and from the perspective of a dust merc, who never sees nor knows about these 'shares' it remains pretty silly that this even is possible...