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Rasatsu
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Posted - 2013.11.07 17:40:00 -
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A corp feels big and important so wants to join an alliance and doesn't know enough to not trust the CEO title to a random capsuleer?
HA HA HA
This is so funny. Also; never trust anyone and one month's subscription to EVE for the transfer is cheap. |
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Posted - 2013.11.07 17:43:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:With alliance names not even appearing in-game, DUST players have to rely on third party EVE tools to see what's what. That affects every player in Planetary Conquest. As someone with an active EVE account, I'm constantly solicited to bridge the gap by looking up employment histories, alliance membership, corp sizes, etc.
It's crippling to the MMO nature of the game for this information to be totally unavailable to DUST players.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/GoonSwarm |
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:53:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote:I'm so baffled by the DEV response to this - it borders on an asinine scolding with a smirking, "It's the New Eden Meta Game!" but it's not like Dust is a F2P game advertised on the PS3 network which is a console, not a PC, where a great deal of players are not going to be from Eve or even know very little of Eve or know why they should potentially know about Eve (because of something like this). This is seriously a critical oversight and what is even more shocking is the, "This is your fault because you want to have access to content that you should already have!" EVE is full of people who just downloaded and play the game they've heard of from somewhere, amass lots of ISK through mission running and then get scammed.
They are as clueless as the OP and deserve a good smirking at. |
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:07:00 -
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TrueXer0z wrote:You got ****ed out of your corp due to the inability to assign shares from the dust client.
Good luck man. I hope you get your corp back. This is not your fault either. The fault relies in a broken system between the eve and dust corp UIs. The fault lays with the OP, not the system.
If they had done the obvious thing and read up some more on corp safety it clearly says on pretty much every guide to secure the shares. They didn't even seem to know about shares, yet entrusted their corp CEO role to someone. |
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:59:00 -
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NanoCleric wrote:The players name as i found out from Vala is: Jihad Destroyer 011011 If he was a capsuleer then yes, he could have taken the shares. If a merc, no.
Also an excellent post in long form; would make any corp infiltrator proud.
Reav Hannari wrote:I call BS on this. I'm a 6 year veteran of EVE and I put little thought into shares as they play such a minuscule role in most activities. If a DUST player can create and manage a corporation but be bitten by a rarely used element of its sister game then there is a problem. The first step is to educate the DUST player. The second is to fix it. CCP can at least make an official and prominently posted warning of the dangers of transferring the CEO title to a pilot for any length of time. I knew enough about shares and corp roles 2 years in to know you don't trust anyone with anything unless you've not only read everything out there but also tested things out on SiSi.
Rarely used is often bitten, suck it up. And while the warning is a good improvement, joining an alliance isn't a "newbie activity" and as such a basic understanding of the mechanisms can be assumed. |
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:34:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:A quick check on the attributes of Dust Core from Eve side indicates that at one point in time someone added shares to the corporation. Current number of shares is 1001, which is 1 more share than what a new corporation starts with. I would guess that when a director he added one share and transferred it to himself to allow himself a foothold if it was ever needed. That is not 5% of total shares. |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:35:00 -
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GM going full stupid by interfering in the use of known game mechanics?
Now that is going to get escalated to Internal Affairs quite fast... |
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Posted - 2013.11.12 05:18:00 -
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Vinsarrow wrote:Coyle Secundus wrote:Vala Prime wrote:Aeladon Leiko wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO.
The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. i hate to say this without testing it now but unless a change has been made in the last 3 months with regards to the way shares function you are 100% wrong. and i know it for a fact. all you need to take shares is be made a director. the director can then assign shares out of the wallet to him self. their is NOTHING dust side that can be done about this. its always worked like this. you need to check this out Null. and you are also right when an eve corp is made the share are public and can be taken by anyone that is ceo director or an accountant but once those share are allocated they can not be taken away unlees that share holder gives away his shares or all other share holders vote majority to remove those share. how ever in a dust made corp accoring to ccp nullarbor all shares are pre allocated to the ceo so that even a eve director can not touch them (its in his post) unless a eve pilot is made ceo such as to enter an alliance at such time the share are stripe from the dust player and made public for any eve pilot to get with out dust players able to do anything they can not even allocate the shares to someone else prior to switching with a eve pilot to prevent this from happening as well so in other words is in order to safely join an alliance in dust you have to get a computer pay ccp that monthly fee and make your own pilot the ceo péï Which leads to why I call this a bug & exploit. If your in EVE/in a EVE corporation & you haven't heard of this, then it happens to you. You get a notice like Vala got a notice telling her & if your in EVE you have the ability to fight it so it's FAIR if you loose but you don't hear of this type of thing in EVE anyway because no 1 EVE player can use it against another EVE corporation easily & successfully. Now this is where it becomes a bug/exploit if your a Dust corporation you don't have any tools for share's or warning or explaination of them. So you go to enter a alliance which is a necceisty in Dust 514 for almost every succesful corporation, but you need a EVE player to do it which this is where EVE guy's like Jihad know you NEED them & they are counting on you to count on them (which is by itself, makes no sense you have to do all this to enter a alliance anyway.) So you make them CEO & they do this, then you have no way to fight it on the Dust side at all so they can overthrow a corporation of over 1000 Dust players with the mighty vote of 1? If that's not a exploit idk what is apparently.... The arguement it isn't a exploit is flawed. Every single corp guide out there, even the eve wiki one, warns about this clear. The warnings are even highlighted in easy to spot sections just to make sure no one missesit.
Fighting after the knife is already in your back makes no sense. |
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:04:00 -
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Joining alliances should never be allowed with CCP-supported training wheels on just because you don't do Reading and Thinking. |
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:58:00 -
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This character can't fly spaceships, why not? |
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