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Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 880	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:40:00 - [31] - Quote A corp feels big and important so wants to join an alliance and doesn't know enough to not trust the CEO title to a random capsuleer? HA HA HA This is so funny. Also; never trust anyone and one month's subscription to EVE for the transfer is cheap.
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 741	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:40:00 - [32] - Quote With alliance names not even appearing in-game, DUST players have to rely on third party EVE tools to see what's what. That affects every player in Planetary Conquest. As someone with an active EVE account, I'm constantly solicited to bridge the gap by looking up employment histories, alliance membership, corp sizes, etc. It's crippling to the MMO nature of the game for this information to be totally unavailable to DUST players. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 880	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:43:00 - [33] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: With alliance names not even appearing in-game, DUST players have to rely on third party EVE tools to see what's what. That affects every player in Planetary Conquest. As someone with an active EVE account, I'm constantly solicited to bridge the gap by looking up employment histories, alliance membership, corp sizes, etc. It's crippling to the MMO nature of the game for this information to be totally unavailable to DUST players. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/GoonSwarm
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 741	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:48:00 - [34] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: With alliance names not even appearing in-game, DUST players have to rely on third party EVE tools to see what's what. That affects every player in Planetary Conquest. As someone with an active EVE account, I'm constantly solicited to bridge the gap by looking up employment histories, alliance membership, corp sizes, etc. It's crippling to the MMO nature of the game for this information to be totally unavailable to DUST players. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/GoonSwarm I bolded the part you obviously didn't read or comprehend. A lot of players can't readily look up stuff on a PC while playing DUST, by the way. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1512	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:49:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. Can not directors also take shares from the Corp? my EVE account has director roles and I can see the shares will I not be able to take them if I tried? When a DUST character creates a corporation we assign all of the shares to them, so no, an EVE director cannot take any of the shares. This was done to prevent the exact scenario you described. This case of corp theft by shares only applies if the corp was originally created by an EVE character or if the DUST CEO reassigned the corp to an EVE character at any stage, in which case the shares stay in the corporation wallet. Good to know. My Corp was created in EVE. I might just put an EVE alt in my Corp and transfer all the shares to that alt. If I decide to pass CEO in the future this will give me a way to take my Corp back if the new CEO does something stupid. ____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3665	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:53:00 - [36] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: With alliance names not even appearing in-game, DUST players have to rely on third party EVE tools to see what's what. That affects every player in Planetary Conquest. As someone with an active EVE account, I'm constantly solicited to bridge the gap by looking up employment histories, alliance membership, corp sizes, etc. It's crippling to the MMO nature of the game for this information to be totally unavailable to DUST players. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/GoonSwarm I bolded the part you obviously didn't read or comprehend. A lot of players can't readily look up stuff on a PC while playing DUST, by the way. On the other hand, there are those of us that can. CCP made it very clear that they wanted to work on the core aspects of the game first and afterward work on the rest of the fluff - this falls into that category as it's not used by the vast majority of players as opposed to something like weapon/dropsuit/vehicle balancing, which everyone does use. It's much easier to tell the players to be patient and be cautious about who you give power to (something they should be doing -anyway-) and work out the irritating bits later on when we have bigger problems like Dropsuit Skill blanket bonuses that affect -everyone-. It's a hard lesson to learn but they were going to learn it one day anyway, hence why the general response is 'Welcome to New Eden'. ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3665	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:54:00 - [37] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. Can not directors also take shares from the Corp? my EVE account has director roles and I can see the shares will I not be able to take them if I tried? When a DUST character creates a corporation we assign all of the shares to them, so no, an EVE director cannot take any of the shares. This was done to prevent the exact scenario you described. This case of corp theft by shares only applies if the corp was originally created by an EVE character or if the DUST CEO reassigned the corp to an EVE character at any stage, in which case the shares stay in the corporation wallet. Good to know. My Corp was created in EVE. I might just put an EVE alt in my Corp and transfer all the shares to that alt. If I decide to pass CEO in the future this will give me a way to take my Corp back if the new CEO does something stupid. ____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013. Alternatively you could just give your alt CEO ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1512	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:57:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: shaman oga wrote: This time CCP it's your fault, we don't have control over shares and the only way to join an alliance in DUST is to trust an EVE player and give him the CEO role. Give back all the shares to that guy and his CEO role. Then add a way to join an alliance from DUST without the need of an EVE character. Alliances are cool and we will add them officially to DUST at some stage but for now they serve little game play purpose and remain an EVE feature just like shares. If you want an alliance you better understand the implications of doing so. Also, you do have control over shares if you assigned the corporation to an EVE character they can take the shares out of the corporation wallet for safe keeping before giving back the CEO to the DUST character. This all assumes you trust the EVE character though, which is a tough commodity to come by in this game. EVE Players in the same Alliance can provide Orbital Support in a Planetary Conquest battle.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2970	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:59:00 - [39] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: shaman oga wrote: This time CCP it's your fault, we don't have control over shares and the only way to join an alliance in DUST is to trust an EVE player and give him the CEO role. Give back all the shares to that guy and his CEO role. Then add a way to join an alliance from DUST without the need of an EVE character. Alliances are cool and we will add them officially to DUST at some stage but for now they serve little game play purpose and remain an EVE feature just like shares. If you want an alliance you better understand the implications of doing so. Also, you do have control over shares if you assigned the corporation to an EVE character they can take the shares out of the corporation wallet for safe keeping before giving back the CEO to the DUST character. This all assumes you trust the EVE character though, which is a tough commodity to come by in this game. EVE Players in the same Alliance can provide Orbital Support in a Planetary Conquest battle. Good example, however I would much rather spend time on allowing people outside of your alliance to provide OBs as well. More bang for our development buck. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1635	Posted - 2013.11.07 18:09:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: shaman oga wrote: This time CCP it's your fault, we don't have control over shares and the only way to join an alliance in DUST is to trust an EVE player and give him the CEO role. Give back all the shares to that guy and his CEO role. Then add a way to join an alliance from DUST without the need of an EVE character. Alliances are cool and we will add them officially to DUST at some stage but for now they serve little game play purpose and remain an EVE feature just like shares. If you want an alliance you better understand the implications of doing so. Also, you do have control over shares if you assigned the corporation to an EVE character they can take the shares out of the corporation wallet for safe keeping before giving back the CEO to the DUST character. This all assumes you trust the EVE character though, which is a tough commodity to come by in this game. EVE Players in the same Alliance can provide Orbital Support in a Planetary Conquest battle. Good example, however I would much rather spend time on allowing people outside of your alliance to provide OBs as well. More bang for our development buck. This i like Currently Alliances in DUST are in FW My EVE toon doesnt want to do FW, just relax and muck about but i cant provide OB unless im in the allinace which means im in FW But what is to stop any EVE player from turning up and bombing the **** out of 1 side or another whenever a SL calls in a strike? Or is that whole point of allowing EVE players to not be in the same alliance, so they can turn up at random and just sell services maybe or just grief

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1512	Posted - 2013.11.07 18:11:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Good example, however I would much rather spend time on allowing people outside of your alliance to provide OBs as well. More bang for our development buck. Good point. If a DUST Corp could create a contract for EVE mercenary pilots to do OB, that would definitely be superior. It would provide a whole new area of job possibilities for EVE pilots, and ones that you can get into in a Destroyer, so very new pilot friendly. You get a like for just suggesting it.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1512	Posted - 2013.11.07 18:15:00 - [42] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Good example, however I would much rather spend time on allowing people outside of your alliance to provide OBs as well. More bang for our development buck. This i like Currently Alliances in DUST are in FW My EVE toon doesnt want to do FW, just relax and muck about but i cant provide OB unless im in the allinace which means im in FW But what is to stop any EVE player from turning up and bombing the **** out of 1 side or another whenever a SL calls in a strike? Or is that whole point of allowing EVE players to not be in the same alliance, so they can turn up at random and just sell services maybe or just grief I assume that a DUST Director would create a contract that EVE pilots could accept which would all the EVE pilot to perform OBGÇÖs in support of the DUST Corp.
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 744	Posted - 2013.11.07 18:41:00 - [43] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: On the other hand, there are those of us that can. CCP made it very clear that they wanted to work on the core aspects of the game first and afterward work on the rest of the fluff - this falls into that category as it's not used by the vast majority of players as opposed to something like weapon/dropsuit/vehicle balancing, which everyone does use. For an MMO, player-based organizations is kinda core. They're wasting their time on balancing, because they keep breaking balancing anyhow. They balanced everything around bad hit detection, and then fixed hit detection, and now balancing is completely wrong again. They'll fix that, then another bug, that'll break balance again. It's never going to be perfect, and they're wasting time with it. We need real content that encourages gameplay. And EVE has proven, time and time again, alliances, rivalries, wars. That creates gameplay. That creates content. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Aisha Ctarl PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1675	Posted - 2013.11.07 18:44:00 - [44] - Quote I've been waiting for an opportune time to say this: "Welcome to New Eden." Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming
ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 45	Posted - 2013.11.07 18:45:00 - [45] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: On the other hand, there are those of us that can. CCP made it very clear that they wanted to work on the core aspects of the game first and afterward work on the rest of the fluff - this falls into that category as it's not used by the vast majority of players as opposed to something like weapon/dropsuit/vehicle balancing, which everyone does use. For an MMO, player-based organizations is kinda core. They're wasting their time on balancing, because they keep breaking balancing anyhow. They balanced everything around bad hit detection, and then fixed hit detection, and now balancing is completely wrong again. They'll fix that, then another bug, that'll break balance again. It's never going to be perfect, and they're wasting time with it. We need real content that encourages gameplay. And EVE has proven, time and time again, alliances, rivalries, wars. That creates gameplay. That creates content. Balancing and hit detection? Slow down. That sounds a lot like having your cake and eating it too. One or the other is all we get, or at least that's what I've gathered from the blue tags in this topic. Now we need to decidd which means more to us.
G Torq ALTA B2O 262	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:16:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Alliances are cool and we will add them officially to DUST at some stage but for now they serve little game play purpose You should probably go talk to the guy who implemented the Squad Finder and the option to look for squads inside your Alliance. That dude seems to think that Alliances can/should server a very Dust-specific purpose. Why are you even reading this?
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 745	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:20:00 - [47] - Quote Most of the top corps in the game are in some form of alliance. And it has an extremely strong effect on how PC battles are carried out. Failing to see the importance of it being represented in game is a rookie mistake. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Dachande Anasazi K-A-O-S theory 86	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:22:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Commissioner G0RD0N wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. how about simply removing the ability for an EVE player to have such power over a DUST corp?? nothing in DUST allows these 'shares' so why would it even be in the game? once again the interface between the 2 games causing issues that simply shouldn't be... The important part of your question here is "DUST Corp". The moment the CEO was assigned to an EVE player it became a mixed corp and so now you are playing with the expanded rules. I get that players want to form alliances but you can't have your cake and eat it too. If we have mix corps it is safe right? As long as a EVE player is never given roles? Or any eve player who joins can just be like houdini?
Scheherazade VII 87	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:24:00 - [49] - Quote this **** does NOT belong in a first-person-shooter. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 745	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:24:00 - [50] - Quote Dachande Anasazi wrote: If we have mix corps it is safe right? As long as a EVE player is never given roles? Or any eve player who joins can just be like houdini? You are completely safe if an EVE character has never ever held CEO of that corp. Otherwise, you are potentially not safe. Scheherazade VII wrote: this ** does NOT belong in a first-person-shooter. This isn't your run-of-the-mill first-person shooter. This is New Eden. Top Men.** - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 843	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:39:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. Can not directors also take shares from the Corp? my EVE account has director roles and I can see the shares will I not be able to take them if I tried? When a DUST character creates a corporation we assign all of the shares to them, so no, an EVE director cannot take any of the shares. This was done to prevent the exact scenario you described. This case of corp theft by shares only applies if the corp was originally created by an EVE character or if the DUST CEO reassigned the corp to an EVE character at any stage, in which case the shares stay in the corporation wallet. getting owned by the devs... lol
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1656	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:40:00 - [52] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: this **** does NOT belong in a first-person-shooter. You're playing the wrong FPS then. Check out & sub my youtube. Yay!
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 904	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:41:00 - [53] - Quote The problem is that 99% of DUST population don't know about this thing of shares, alliances are important and most of the corps want to be in one of them. We don't have the instruments to join or create alliances and that can be ok for the moment, but we have to be sure that we can join an alliance, without losing control over our corp. I can suggest to create a specific role, to allow an EVE player to join your corp, without giving him permission to operate with corp shares, but the ability to join your corp to an alliance. You can call it DIPLOMATIC or whatever you want. Putting a simple warning message do not solve the problem, even if you know things you are not able to join an alliance without any risk. "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 704	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:47:00 - [54] - Quote So basically If I want my corp in an Alliance, I either have to pay up for EVE or pray that I don't get stabbed in the back? Thanks CCP! It's nice to know that a DUST only corp must either throw cash at you or play the lottery game if they want in on an alliance There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 108	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:48:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. You guys need to fix this. Since there is no choice BUT to assign an EVE pilot CEO to join an Alliance, something you do fully support, you need to prevent EVE pilots from taking CEO's shares. Novel thought, how about you assign all the shares to the creator of the corp instead of leaving them for any EVE pilot to snatch up. Until you allow a way for a DUST character to assign these shares your basically setting up lots of individuals for grief with no way for them to fully prevent it unless they make an EVE account.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 108	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:54:00 - [56] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Commissioner G0RD0N wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The only way this happens is if you assign CEO of your corp to an EVE player. Even if they give the CEO title back they could have taken shares during their stay which gives them power to boot the current CEO using voting. It seems this is becoming increasingly common and confusing people so we will add a warning about it when you resign from CEO. The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved. how about simply removing the ability for an EVE player to have such power over a DUST corp?? nothing in DUST allows these 'shares' so why would it even be in the game? once again the interface between the 2 games causing issues that simply shouldn't be... The important part of your question here is "DUST Corp". The moment the CEO was assigned to an EVE player it became a mixed corp and so now you are playing with the expanded rules. I get that players want to form alliances but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Your attitude here is extremely disappointing. A warning message as you mentioned is useless. You have an alliance channel in dust that allows much better interactions among corporations. You have only one way to access it and instead of promoting it and preventing unstoppable issues from the DUST side of things you shrug your shoulders. You sir are my least favorite DEV, and that's saying something :)
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2193	Posted - 2013.11.07 20:07:00 - [57] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: this ** does NOT belong in a first-person-shooter. 1. It needs to be fixed 2. This isn't just an FPS - it's an MMO where lying and trechery is common place and expected The time of your legacy is here. Will you rise? Join Legacy Rising**
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 635	Posted - 2013.11.07 20:58:00 - [58] - Quote This was always going to happen at some point, I'm just surprised it took this long. I know I'm getting the reputation as the 'Dust Corp UI' advocate but all this does is strengthen the long held argument by many in Eve that the entire Corp UI in Eve needs completley overhauling. And now with the addition of Dust into the mix it really should be becoming a higher priority in both games as the time of full integration gets closer. Now as it happens, DUST University was created in the Eve client, pretty much the day Dust 514 was announced. This enabled a couple of things straight of the bat that some may not know is possible in Dust. First of all, the Corp was created by an alt that Kelduum Revaan, the CEO at the time of EVE University set up for that purpose. When Dust was about to enter closed Beta, he made another alt he had, CEO of D-UNI. This alt had all the corporation managment skills in Eve maxed out and applying that alt's skill on the the corp means that D-UNI can have 6500 members. But here's the beauty part of it. Because of the way the corp mechanics work in Eve, ANY Eve (or Dust) character can be made CEO with just the Corp Management Skill trained to level one and the corp can still have the maximum number of members an Eve corp can have. If a Dust Merc made a corp in Dust and maxed the Corporation Skills in Dust, the corp could get no bigger than 1350 members. Not exactly equal footing is it? It also meant that D-UNI was part of IVY League right away and as long as I pay the Alliance fee Eve side it remains so. Ready made corp creation is a lucrative career in Eve by the way... Kelduum then made me CEO (after I spent 16 minutes training Corp Management to level I) and transfered the shares to me in Eve. Dennie is the CEO, Kevall is my merc clone, its in the sig. The fact is that the corp UI in both games is a mess but Dust's is limited in what can be done to improve it by the fact that at some point in the future it will have to work with the Eve one in such a way as to prevent this sort of thing happening. I know that CCP are itching to do it as it gives them an excuse to replace a legacy system in Eve. And there are plenty of CEO's in both games that hope they do it sooner rather than later. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3667	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:02:00 - [59] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: On the other hand, there are those of us that can. CCP made it very clear that they wanted to work on the core aspects of the game first and afterward work on the rest of the fluff - this falls into that category as it's not used by the vast majority of players as opposed to something like weapon/dropsuit/vehicle balancing, which everyone does use. For an MMO, player-based organizations is kinda core. They're wasting their time on balancing, because they keep breaking balancing anyhow. They balanced everything around bad hit detection, and then fixed hit detection, and now balancing is completely wrong again. They'll fix that, then another bug, that'll break balance again. It's never going to be perfect, and they're wasting time with it. We need real content that encourages gameplay. And EVE has proven, time and time again, alliances, rivalries, wars. That creates gameplay. That creates content. Curious.... What weapons have they balanced ever since hit detection/aim assist were fixed/implemented..? Further more, how is balancing wrong again? They've made some pretty great strides since Uprising first released - Armor Tanking is viable, Heavies got some love, Laser Rifle got some love, Logistics got a slight tweak to ease their Master Race issues, Repair Tools are now viable... Just saying, they've had their teeter totter moments but they've done a pretty damn good job. It's gotten nothing but better, in my opinion. ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 219	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:02:00 - [60] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: snip. Mind blown! Thank you for throwing some knowledge at us. Very much appreciated. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]



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