DUST Search - Fill me in on Scouts

8213 wrote:

Ludvig Enraga wrote:

Johnny Guilt wrote:

Shotty GoBang wrote:

Johnny Guilt wrote:

Scout suits are fine for what they do within the hit/run or stealth playstyles and only those styles and nothing else.

Scenario A:
Newbro AR-514 spots Proto Scout.
Guns him down in an instant, as the Scout made a mistake.

Scenario B:
Newbro Scout sneaks up behind Proto AR-514.
Stabs or Shotguns his mark in the back, but dies instantly when mark turns around.

Conclusion:
Perfectly planned and executed assassinations often fail.
Hit-and-run / stealth playstyle is imbalanced.
Perhaps this is why 75% of newbro Scouts quit Dust after graduating the Academy.

Question:
Why is this OK?

You guys are taking this suit too seriously and blaming the suit and not the user, the scout suit isn't the easiest suit to play,in most cases the reason the scout dies is from personal mistakes(or lack of experience) either from the users failure to execute assassinations or lack of situational awareness which put him in those situations where he is killed.Don't expect newberry bros to know is head from his ass fresh out of academy to play scout well,it's not entry level and anyone getting into scout suits should know what their in for,puting your balls on the line with the risk of death higher than any other suit but for great profit/thrill,IF you know how to play it.

The argument is not that a good scout player can't do well in a battle. The problem is that when you do make all things equal a player of the same level of skill in a different suit would always do better than a scout. Scout is not good at anything besides being the hard mode.

Yeah, I gather its hard... but so what? Every game has that "hard mode" whether it be a Game like GTA5 that you select which difficulty you want to play on, or you play Black Ops 2 and use the KSG, or use the Plasma Cannon or SCR in DUST. You choose to play the hard mode, so why complain when you lose?
Scouts aren't broken, their playerbase (which has already proven themselves more than adequate at the game) just wants more.
I know WHAT they want in terms of fixes. I know HOW they want the fixes to work and be implemented. But WHY?

Greed like that is what destroys playerbases. And with only 5000 DUST-ers, they aren't that far from destroying themselves... if CCP doesn't do it first. There has been argument for every weapon, setup, and whatever else in this game that has been asked to get nerfed or buffed- it never stops! BALANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE and always will be. Something has to be cast out and labeled as hard. It comes down to one side wanting more for themselves to have some sort of advantage over another and not want to play on hard.

Players don't like hard. DUST players hate hard. As soon as something gets hard, they cry for re-work. They Protostomp to avoid hard. They exploit every advantage to avoid hard. Nobody likes to chose hard. But for the few that do, remember its a CHOICE. But to sit on here as proclaimed masters of hard and yet ask for more???

That's like Michael Jordan (Kobe Bryant and Lebron James for you kids) asking his shoes be lighter so he jump higher, and the hoop lowers 1m every time he has possession of the ball... He already stands out as the best among the best, but its just never going to be good enough... he wants to keep tweeking a few micro improvements out of the game strictly for himself.


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Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 520	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:15:00 - [1] - Quote Looks like the OPs corp name is apt as he has as much sence and intelligence as a 2nd grader.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 521	Posted - 2013.10.22 06:32:00 - [2] - Quote 8213 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: Scout suits are fine for what they do within the hit/run or stealth playstyles and only those styles and nothing else. Scenario A: Newbro AR-514 spots Proto Scout. Guns him down in an instant, as the Scout made a mistake. Scenario B: Newbro Scout sneaks up behind Proto AR-514. Stabs or Shotguns his mark in the back, but dies instantly when mark turns around. Conclusion: Perfectly planned and executed assassinations often fail. Hit-and-run / stealth playstyle is imbalanced. Perhaps this is why 75% of newbro Scouts quit Dust after graduating the Academy. Question: Why is this OK? You guys are taking this suit too seriously and blaming the suit and not the user, the scout suit isn't the easiest suit to play,in most cases the reason the scout dies is from personal mistakes(or lack of experience) either from the users failure to execute assassinations or lack of situational awareness which put him in those situations where he is killed.Don't expect newberry bros to know is head from his ass fresh out of academy to play scout well,it's not entry level and anyone getting into scout suits should know what their in for,puting your balls on the line with the risk of death higher than any other suit but for great profit/thrill,IF you know how to play it. The argument is not that a good scout player can't do well in a battle. The problem is that when you do make all things equal a player of the same level of skill in a different suit would always do better than a scout. Scout is not good at anything besides being the hard mode. Yeah, I gather its hard... but so what? Every game has that "hard mode" whether it be a Game like GTA5 that you select which difficulty you want to play on, or you play Black Ops 2 and use the KSG, or use the Plasma Cannon or SCR in DUST. You choose to play the hard mode, so why complain when you lose? Scouts aren't broken, their playerbase (which has already proven themselves more than adequate at the game) just wants more. I know WHAT they want in terms of fixes. I know HOW they want the fixes to work and be implemented. But WHY? Greed like that is what destroys playerbases. And with only 5000 DUST-ers, they aren't that far from destroying themselves... if CCP doesn't do it first. There has been argument for every weapon, setup, and whatever else in this game that has been asked to get nerfed or buffed- it never stops! BALANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE and always will be. Something has to be cast out and labeled as hard. It comes down to one side wanting more for themselves to have some sort of advantage over another and not want to play on hard. Players don't like hard. DUST players hate hard. As soon as something gets hard, they cry for re-work. They Protostomp to avoid hard. They exploit every advantage to avoid hard. Nobody likes to chose hard. But for the few that do, remember its a CHOICE. But to sit on here as proclaimed masters of hard and yet ask for more??? That's like Michael Jordan (Kobe Bryant and Lebron James for you kids) asking his shoes be lighter so he jump higher, and the hoop lowers 1m every time he has possession of the ball... He already stands out as the best among the best, but its just never going to be good enough... he wants to keep tweeking a few micro improvements out of the game strictly for himself. Which would you rather run A 300 HP scout or A 700 HP Logi that is better at everything a scout does and more Both are around the same price
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 521	Posted - 2013.10.22 06:52:00 - [3] - Quote 8213 wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: 8213 wrote: Yeah, I gather its hard... but so what? Every game has that "hard mode" whether it be a Game like GTA5 that you select which difficulty you want to play on, or you play Black Ops 2 and use the KSG, or use the Plasma Cannon or SCR in DUST. You choose to play the hard mode, so why complain when you lose? Scouts aren't broken, their playerbase (which has already proven themselves more than adequate at the game) just wants more. I know WHAT they want in terms of fixes. I know HOW they want the fixes to work and be implemented. But WHY? Greed like that is what destroys playerbases. And with only 5000 DUST-ers, they aren't that far from destroying themselves... if CCP doesn't do it first. There has been argument for every weapon, setup, and whatever else in this game that has been asked to get nerfed or buffed- it never stops! BALANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE and always will be. Something has to be cast out and labeled as hard. It comes down to one side wanting more for themselves to have some sort of advantage over another and not want to play on hard. Players don't like hard. DUST players hate hard. As soon as something gets hard, they cry for re-work. They Protostomp to avoid hard. They exploit every advantage to avoid hard. Nobody likes to chose hard. But for the few that do, remember its a CHOICE. But to sit on here as proclaimed masters of hard and yet ask for more??? That's like Michael Jordan (Kobe Bryant and Lebron James for you kids) asking his shoes be lighter so he jump higher, and the hoop lowers 1m every time he has possession of the ball... He already stands out as the best among the best, but its just never going to be good enough... he wants to keep tweeking a few micro improvements out of the game strictly for himself. Which would you rather run A 300 HP scout or A 700 HP Logi that is better at everything a scout does and more Both are around the same price See that big long post you quoted that I wrote? see the part about choice? see the part that Scout is choice? No you probably missed it, because like a lot of people on this board you skimmed through and decided to respond to one part of the post and ignore the rest, because it contradicted whatever it was that you wanted to say... In this case, the part I wrote about Scouts being hard and that they were a choice. the fact that you respond with a post that is giving me choice, I'll assume you didn't read the post. So what would you choose? An Gallente Assault with Brick and Damge Stacks, 800 HP with an AR or An Amarr Sentinel with with damage mods and shields, 800 HP with an AR Gallente because Amarr are smelly Most of us old scout users spec'd into them before CCP broke them, we just want our old scouts back.