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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.19 18:54:00 -
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SOme of you ******* still don't get it? Okay, I'll try and make this real simple:
1: THe modules made for us is too hard to fit.
2: speed can be matched by a medium, and with more eHP
3: scanning abilities can be matched by a medium, and again with more eHP, and half of the time, better firepower
4: Scouts have hardly any EWAR, and the EWAR that exists, which is scanners, the frames that should (imo) be benefited by it the most, Gallente Scouts (since Gallente are all about dem' scanners), aren't at all, and Logi suits are more, which is by the way a medium suit.
5: When the rest of the EWAR does finally come out, if nothing changes, like I said, Logi's will be benefited by them more because of the skill bonuses.
All of this points to using Logi's and assaults more than the Scouts, because they can do everything the Scouts can better. That's why we ask for better base stats. |
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Posted - 2013.10.20 10:38:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:SOme of you ******* still don't get it? Okay, I'll try and make this real simple:
1: THe modules made for us is too hard to fit.
2: speed can be matched by a medium, and with more eHP
3: scanning abilities can be matched by a medium, and again with more eHP, and half of the time, better firepower
4: Scouts have hardly any EWAR, and the EWAR that exists, which is scanners, the frames that should (imo) be benefited by it the most, Gallente Scouts (since Gallente are all about dem' scanners), aren't at all, and Logi suits are more, which is by the way a medium suit.
5: When the rest of the EWAR does finally come out, if nothing changes, like I said, Logi's will be benefited by them more because of the skill bonuses.
All of this points to using Logi's and assaults more than the Scouts, because they can do everything the Scouts can better. That's why we ask for better base stats. Just better stats will just reinforce the "Assault Lite" thing that we have. What they need is something that only scouts can do, perhaps cloaks eventually. Until we have something like cloaks, this should do: Minmatar Scout: Scan Profile Buff (~25 db base) RE radius bonus (+5% per level) Gallente Scout: Passive Scan Radius Buff (~35m base) Active Scanner precision bonus(+5% per level)
So buffing the scanning abilities, the CPU/PG so we could actually fit the Scout-like stuff, giving another eq. slot, and buffung speed would make it an Assault lite? Okay 
Anyways, Winmatar isn't made to hide really.That's not their function in the EWAR world, and that's what the suits are mainly for. |
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Posted - 2013.10.20 12:23:00 -
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8213 wrote:BARDAS wrote:8213 wrote:BARDAS wrote:8213 wrote:
Yes, it's fine.
You still get your Scout Bonuses, and you still have speed without having to use Kin-Cats. I was watched you that game, and you were faster than everyone else by far. I'm sorry, but saying a medium can do that is simply a lie. A medium nneds to use a slot for a Kin-Cat, you don't. And you get a much smaller hit box.
Chormosone hasn't been around for looooong while, and Uprising has been here for half a year... you say Scouts suck now, but still use them, and perform well in them? Doesn't answer WHY you're using this supposed gimped setup now. You told me why you used them back then, but why are you gimping yourself now?
According to you, if you had a Medium Frame you would have done even better playing that same style. You would have been magically faster, had more HP, and more power.... thanks for gimping yourself on purpose, buddy ole pal.
If AA was a factor than my HMG should have leveled you as intended... oh wait, if the it works in your favor its you being a beast and the other sucking, but if it doesn't work in your favor then the game needs to be fixed, right? Because you should never die? Do your deaths not count?
Sorry, none of your reasons have any merit. You struck out 3x in this thread. Some people actually posted reasonable things that they wanted. They didn't come up with the coded "I want more, I'm selfish, I shouldn't die ever in this game because my ego thinks I'm to good for it" gibberish that you have.
Using DJINN Marauder as the bar for the majority of Scouts is stupid. He is the equivalent of the Scout 1%. Last time I checked he was the #1 ranked Scout on the killboard. The majority of us don't do nearly as well as he does on the battlefield. He is right also. Medium suits are better suited to "scout" roles at this point in time. Wow, so not only is he considered one of the elite players in the game as it is, he's the most elite On Shotty GoBang's board... so that makes him the best DUST 514 player playing today, right? So, the best DUST 514 player happens to run Scout, for no apparent reason than to give the rest of us noobs a chance at the game. What a swell guy he is. What swell people ALL Scouts are... still, can anyone tell me WHY Scouts are being used if they need so much work? I shot shot a Caldari scout today with a charged SCR shot, he still was able to survive, and dance around me and nail me dead with his Shotgun. Radar from Outer.Heaven I believe it was. What do you suppose is harder? Him jumoing around me spamming a shotgun, or me landing a Charged SCR shot on him? Did the game reward me for my superior skill? Nope, because his fragile Scout suit was able to survive it. Simple as this. If mediums can do the job of a Scout better, than nobody would be using a Scout... I ain't gonna lie. You sound more butt hurt about being shotgunned to death than anything. Also, hardly anyone uses Scouts. From what I read there are only about 250 of us I think that use the suit on a regular basis? There are how many Medium Suit users? Thousands at the very least. Your entire argument is invalid as logical fallacy anyway. Causation does not imply correlation. Meaning that just because you died to a superior player who is more skilled than you and just happened to be playing as a Scout doesn't mean the suit is fine and doesn't need a buff. You're half right. I do get upset when I out play a guy but still end up on the losing end. You can't win them all. But the Scout has its Pros and Cons like everything else in this game. Its just scout users think that their suit shouldn't have any cons. They want more CPU/PG, they want more HP, they want more slots... they totally forget what they are getting into in the first place. Scouts have their advantages that no other suits can duplicate, but that's not enough for Scout users. Here's an idea. I want my Assaults buffed. I want more HP, more speed, more CPU/PG. Forget that I already have list of things I can do more superior than Logis, Scouts, Commandos, and Sentinels... I need more. Logis can do my job just as effective as me actually, so I want extra equipment slots too. Its not fair... because... well I don't have a reason, but I say its not fair. Why am I using Assault you say? Because back in Chromosome with stacked Damage Mods you were a beast. And it was by accident I went into Assault (Because some guy on here claimed him being a Scout was an accident that apparently he couldn't change until it was 4 million SP to late...). But now, since Uprising, they suck. My hitbox is to big, I only have one lousy equipment slot, I'm to slow compared to Scouts, and I don't have the HP that Heavies do. I need a slight buff... Your turn, maybe you can do what nobody else can. answer me this. If scouts are in such need of rework then why do people use them now? Why do people use this Frame that apparently has no positives to it?
WE don't want more eHP, nor do we want anymore module slots. We ask for better speed and passive scanning, more CPU/PG to be able to actually fit the equipment that's made for us, and an eq. slot (1) so we could to our job far easier than run to do one, kill ourselves or attempt to find a supply depot, switch to another, then repeat in 5 minutes or less. And the reason we use then is either
1: We refuse to be normal and use a medium suit
2: We want to be faster and can hide easier than the norm
3: We like EWAR
and 2 nor 3 we can do right now, 2 because the light and medium frames is too similar base stat wise, and 3 because We don't have around 90% of EWAR in game yet, and even then, we wouldn't be able to fit it because of only 1 slot (why we're asking for two).
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.20 12:26:00 -
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'pauses thread'
Finally did it. likes=1234 lol
'resumes thread' |
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Posted - 2013.10.20 12:45:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Sigh.. I'm gunna stop posting here. Let me just say this though.
Most of the dust community agrees scouts need a buff. Even CCP themselves said they were going to give us some love in the future. Who knows when that'll be or in what form.
The reason for the above? It's because it's true. Scouts do need love.
Alright I'm done. I'm sorry for pub stomping you. I'm sorry for the game being a bit laggy and have hit detection being off in one encounter with you..which caused you to get recked by me. I'm sorry.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 13:11:00 -
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lrian Locust wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:'pauses thread'
Finally did it. likes=1234 lol
'resumes thread' I'd like to like this, but that would be a shame ;)
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Posted - 2013.10.20 13:32:00 -
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8213 wrote:BARDAS wrote:8213 wrote:Scouts have their advantages that no other suits can duplicate, but that's not enough for Scout users.  Are we even playing the same game? I would laugh but I'm pretty sure you are serious. Please pray tell us what these mystical roles that only a Scout can perform are? 1. Speed without Kin-Cats 2. Smaller hitboxes 3. Racial Scout Bonus 4. Scout Bonus 5. More Stealth(not much, but more) 6. Stamina without Cardiac Regulators 7. Jumps higher So, I suppose the roles it would do better are: 1.Sneaking behind enemy lines (Maybe that's what its called a Scout) to plant equipment or Hack. 2. Closing range between enemies faster, making Shotguns (and other weapons) more effective too, thus providing yourself with a decent assault role, with the added defense of a smaller hitbox. 3. AV, because a Scout can chase down a HAV better, and cross terrian better because of the jumping ability. Good enough for me...
1: Spped without kincats is way too close to mediums, which have way more eHP than them.
2: Not very much smaller, as I can still kill scouts as easy, most of the tiem easier than any medium or heavy frame
3: I don't even........
4: Read #3
5: There you go: not much. At all. Barely even notable. Which is what the Scout suit is. Barely notable. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.20 13:56:00 -
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Protected Void wrote:
Please direct me to the thread(s) where you've seen a majority of participating scouts all state that they want more HP, more speed AND more CPU/PG. It doesn't count if one scout wants more HP and another one wants more speed and a slight CPU/PG increase.
I personally want a slight speed increase and a useful base scan range. OR an extra equipment slot and a a CPU/PG buff to go with it. I certainly don't want an HP increase, I'm content with the meagre 300 total EHP I run on my advanced and proto gallente scout - if other aspects are improved.
A n eHP increase is pointless for a Scout; I don't care how much eHP I have, because if I can't do my job, it doesn't even matter.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.21 19:54:00 -
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8213 wrote:
So, you want CCP to take time to figure out how to utilize your roles better in a game that you only take up 1% of the population?
Get to the back of the line...
Shotty, quite frankly you're seen as some "Scout Hero" when you're just a guy that complains because he always wants more, because his neighbor has it...
The reason why we're so small of the population is because our **** is UP dip hit. And go to the back of what line? You want a better medium frame scrub? |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:35:00 -
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8213 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:8213 wrote:
So, you want CCP to take time to figure out how to utilize your roles better in a game that you only take up 1% of the population?
Get to the back of the line...
Shotty, quite frankly you're seen as some "Scout Hero" when you're just a guy that complains because he always wants more, because his neighbor has it...
The reason why we're so small of the population is because our **** is UP dip hit. And go to the back of what line? You want a better medium frame scrub? No, I wanted more important things to be fixed. Like rendering issues, hit detection, lag, match making, software time, etc...
The only hit detection problems are on weapons that Scouts mainly use, rendering only harms Scouts and vehicles( huh, the most messed up roles right now ), unless you got **** internet, or play PC all day, lag is fine, matchmaking is being worked on anyways, and what do you mean by software time? Problems like that can fixed, but these kind of things needs to be addressed yesterday. ****, if they listened to feedback for way back in the closed beta, we wouldn't be in this ******* mess....... |
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:38:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Hid in the city of the gallente science facility.
Protected an objective the intire game and killed the same person at least 10 times. We eventually lost the objective because the team never was able to defend/capture the other ones. So I became swamped with raspberries .
My opinion of the scout role.
Due to lack of available communication options the actual option to scout isn't likely. The active scanner is only helpful while scouting to your squad.
Defending an objective is one of my favorite things to do as a scout. My profile makes me hard to track and my, usually higher, speed lets me rush around corners and to objectives to assassinate someone hacking. The active scanner is the perfect tool for this. But because the scout is an independent role at most times you might run our of ammo easily making you useless.
Scouts need a speed/stamina, profile/precision/radius, and small(slight) PG/CPU buff and then they will be fine.
But I honestly don't think adding a second equipment slot would hurt or make the scout OP.
The second eq.slot would make it perfect for EWAR. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:44:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Scout should get 20-30 meter scan radius, reduction to active scanner CPU and PG usage, a smaller profile radius, more CPU and PG, 2 equip slots, and maybe some more highs or lows.
Damn, what a run-on.
Doesn't really need any more slots, as if we had a better base, it'll take care of most of our problems without creating an imbalance (ex. tanked Scouts still moving decently fast). Rest agreed on. |
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Posted - 2013.10.21 23:59:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:OZAROW wrote:
if our weapons were as reliable as a scr or AR everyone would say its op and if they ever fix it permanently , i promise you.
Here's some irony from your post. "our weapons"? Scouts are low-power, low-cpu suits, right? According to that, AR and SCR, *are* "our weapons". Proto scrambler PISTOL: 48/8 CPU/Power ADV AR (eg: GEK): 47/6 ADV scrambler PISTOL: 27/5 (or the NICE one, TT-3, 34/7 std AR: 23/3 std SCR: 29/11 ANd then there's the ultimate scout weapon. Knives. light weight, low power. Right? Except that even just the ADV knives, take 27/5. Proto is 48/8. MORE RESOURCE DRAIN THAN AN AR. And why do knives, need "cpu" ?!?!??? ANYONE NOT SEE A PROBLEM HERE???
hence why we want a CPU/PG buff, or those said items gets lower requirements (if/when we get the eq. slot, we would need to get the extra CPU/PG anyways). |
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Posted - 2013.10.22 10:59:00 -
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8213 wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:8213 wrote:
Yeah, I gather its hard... but so what? Every game has that "hard mode" whether it be a Game like GTA5 that you select which difficulty you want to play on, or you play Black Ops 2 and use the KSG, or use the Plasma Cannon or SCR in DUST. You choose to play the hard mode, so why complain when you lose?
Scouts aren't broken, their playerbase (which has already proven themselves more than adequate at the game) just wants more.
I know WHAT they want in terms of fixes. I know HOW they want the fixes to work and be implemented. But WHY?
Greed like that is what destroys playerbases. And with only 5000 DUST-ers, they aren't that far from destroying themselves... if CCP doesn't do it first. There has been argument for every weapon, setup, and whatever else in this game that has been asked to get nerfed or buffed- it never stops! BALANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE and always will be. Something has to be cast out and labeled as hard. It comes down to one side wanting more for themselves to have some sort of advantage over another and not want to play on hard.
Players don't like hard. DUST players hate hard. As soon as something gets hard, they cry for re-work. They Protostomp to avoid hard. They exploit every advantage to avoid hard. Nobody likes to chose hard. But for the few that do, remember its a CHOICE. But to sit on here as proclaimed masters of hard and yet ask for more???
That's like Michael Jordan (Kobe Bryant and Lebron James for you kids) asking his shoes be lighter so he jump higher, and the hoop lowers 1m every time he has possession of the ball... He already stands out as the best among the best, but its just never going to be good enough... he wants to keep tweeking a few micro improvements out of the game strictly for himself.
Which would you rather run A 300 HP scout or A 700 HP Logi that is better at everything a scout does and more Both are around the same price See that big long post you quoted that I wrote? see the part about choice? see the part that Scout is choice? No you probably missed it, because like a lot of people on this board you skimmed through and decided to respond to one part of the post and ignore the rest, because it contradicted whatever it was that you wanted to say... In this case, the part I wrote about Scouts being hard and that they were a choice. the fact that you respond with a post that is giving me choice, I'll assume you didn't read the post. So what would you choose? An Gallente Assault with Brick and Damge Stacks, 800 HP with an AR or An Amarr Sentinel with with damage mods and shields, 800 HP with an AR
Yea, We know Heavy's and mediums have too close HP, and that needs fixing too. What's the point of the suit if it's just hardmode. There's no point in using it, especially in competitive matches, and who makes something that isn't meant to be used? Now go feel stupid. |
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