This forum has a few themes right now: Nerf the AR, Patch want/needs, and Scout suit modifications.

I see that people who are using Scouts are not happy with what little they have to work with. They want more equipment slots, or more CPU, and more speed, etc...

I thought the purpose of light frames was to be stripped down suits that purposely can perform LESS simultaneous functions on the battlefield. They are like the opposites of Logi or Heavies I thought?

Scouts have speed and stealth, which means they run around the back of the enemy and plant Uplinks to ambush the enemy, sneak to an objective and begin hacking it, scan the holy sh*t out of everything, and maybe get a few kills then run for cover again. Or, they actually scout the enemy and use a mic to tell their team where they are at.

I know some people use them for shotguns, because you need every advantage you can get with those broken guns, and the fact that hitboxes sway terribly in this game makes Scouts very effective when they are dancing all around you. Bullets shoot right through them like they are ghosts; but they die instantly if they are 10 metes away from you... I can't tell you how many times I catch a Scout in the open, in the thick of the battlefield running head on right at me, and all I can think is "really dude, props for trying, but you're dead... NOW" I shoot, they die. sometimes I even have o back up 5 steps. This is an example of a scout playing foolishly to there equipment function.


So, Why are Scout users asking for more, when their frames are specifically made to do less? This doesn't mean they aren't effective, they just have different roles. Sure, Heavies would like to have equipment slots so they can stand on Triages, Logis would like sidearms AND more slots, mediums would like to have Scout speed without sacrificing health and stealth themselves. I personally would like more to my Caldari Medium frames(and yes I use the SCR w/ Caldari because I'm stubborn) but that's all in the name of balance.

I never used an actual Scout frame before; only Basic Light. I do fine with them of what can be expected. I hack more objectives, and I get more support WP. In fact, I'll leave with this example:

The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time.
I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended.

You know there is actually a 3 step process dealing with people you think are wrong.

1. You think they are ignorant.
-That was everyone's first step, they thought I was simply misinformed. Many on here have provided me information in order to correct my ignorance in Scouts. I learned a lot about them, and tried to apply it to my own understanding. I left many likes and responses on here agreeing with some of these changes, but overall I didn't feel it was warrant enough to change the Scout as it is right now.

2. After information is provided, and the person still doesn't agree, they are simply an idiot.
-I got called an idiot on this thread left and right. Because I was unable to simply understand the point of view of Scouts, I was called a moron. I understand what drawbacks the Scout/Light has, and I still didn't agree that they should be changed right now. Or, that there changes were needed in the game at this time.

3. Lastly, the person is deemed informed, and intelligent enough to understand it, so they are simply evil. They are lying.
-Eventually I got called names, and was labeled a Troll, because no other explanation could represent my point of view and assessment. Me being right, even just a little bit, was a notion that could not be entertained, I had to be going about this whole thread with deceitful intentions. One guy on here said that eventually I would be referenced to Adolf ******. People on here started labeling my personality with evil traits. I was doing this thread simply because I was an a**hole.

Here's a reference link if you want.


Long... looooooong thread short. I agree with some changes that can be made to Scout, but at the end of the day the Scout is so close to the center-line of effective versus OP. I think they are about as balanced as you can get in this game without pushing them over the edge to OP. If the changes people are wanting are slight, then why have them at all? What is so detrimental about having them stay the same? They are hard to use, but also have the ability to puke wrecksauce on opponents if put in the right hands.
Broken game mechanics aside (this is a content balance issue) Scouts may be hard mode, but so is the SCR, Plasma Cannon, etc... but placed the right hands... they devastate. Instead of worrying about wanting more, why not try to unlock the Scouts potential first? If you feel you already have unlocked that potential (like the list on Shotty's Leaderboard seem to have done) then how can you complain? How can you complain having a 3 K/D in the hardest frame? How can you complain topping leaderboards? How can you want more if you're already considered some of the best DUST Players on the planet?

Look at it from both sides, objectively, without selfishness. You can actually learn a lot on this forum, not just about the game but humans in general...

You guys are taking this suit too seriously and blaming the suit and not the user, the scout suit isn't the easiest suit to play,in most cases the reason the scout dies is from personal mistakes(or lack of experience) either from the users failure to execute assassinations or lack of situational awareness which put him in those situations where he is killed.Don't expect newberry bros to know is head from his ass fresh out of academy to play scout well,it's not entry level and anyone getting into scout suits should know what their in for,puting your balls on the line with the risk of death higher than any other suit but for great profit/thrill,IF you know how to play it.

Yeah, I gather its hard... but so what? Every game has that "hard mode" whether it be a Game like GTA5 that you select which difficulty you want to play on, or you play Black Ops 2 and use the KSG, or use the Plasma Cannon or SCR in DUST. You choose to play the hard mode, so why complain when you lose?
Scouts aren't broken, their playerbase (which has already proven themselves more than adequate at the game) just wants more.
I know WHAT they want in terms of fixes. I know HOW they want the fixes to work and be implemented. But WHY?

Greed like that is what destroys playerbases. And with only 5000 DUST-ers, they aren't that far from destroying themselves... if CCP doesn't do it first. There has been argument for every weapon, setup, and whatever else in this game that has been asked to get nerfed or buffed- it never stops! BALANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE and always will be. Something has to be cast out and labeled as hard. It comes down to one side wanting more for themselves to have some sort of advantage over another and not want to play on hard.

Players don't like hard. DUST players hate hard. As soon as something gets hard, they cry for re-work. They Protostomp to avoid hard. They exploit every advantage to avoid hard. Nobody likes to chose hard. But for the few that do, remember its a CHOICE. But to sit on here as proclaimed masters of hard and yet ask for more???

That's like Michael Jordan (Kobe Bryant and Lebron James for you kids) asking his shoes be lighter so he jump higher, and the hoop lowers 1m every time he has possession of the ball... He already stands out as the best among the best, but its just never going to be good enough... he wants to keep tweeking a few micro improvements out of the game strictly for himself.


Do you know why I didn't go into Scouts? Even though its my most preferred playstyle in this game? I saw right away that it was hard and going to be difficult (even back in beta) but I Skilled into Minmatar Light anyway. I was ready to go Full Scout, but I looked at the specs and played as a light (Same as Scout just no bonuses, but slots and CPU/PG are the same) for a few weeks and realized, "hey, this is too hard". I tried hard and decided I didn't want hard.
I give major respect to everyone on Shotty's board, because I don't have the patients to take on such a hard task, and I don't know if I really could ever do that good with it in the first place no matter how much I played.

I asked to be filled in on Scouts. I learned. I still didn't change my perception on Scouts. I didn't see a strong conviction that would warrant a change to their setup as of right now. Can we end the thread now? Can we do whatever it was that got my Nyain San thread deleted? (Which it happened while I slept, so I don't know what happened in the thread while I slept that warranted it to be deleted)