Two dominations, back to back:

Round One:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

Round Two:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

Was this mainly against vehicles or against infantry? Also, one balance for the Forge Gun is that the crosshairs aren't easy to aim with, and I just couldn't help but notice those green, foriegn crosshairs in the middle of the scoreboard screenshots that seem like hey would fit perfectly inside the the forge gun crosshair box. That's about as cheater-like as using a modded controller.

Two dominations, back to back:

Round One:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

Round Two:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

Two dominations, back to back:

Round One:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

Round Two:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

Not gonna lie those 60 bombs look nice

I just surprised you go so negative in PC

Try those numbers again without your personal bodyguard/medic and see what numbers you get. No nanohives and no medic, those numbers will drop significantly. Because not even a mouse can OHK every moving target.

Any skill or credibility you had with your argument flew out the window. I move for a lock to this thread. A troll thread, obviously cheating, and no one who truly Forges ever gets those scores, unless it's an Academy Domination, and the cranberries just stood around looking at the flowers and friends.

I have a Logi fit that I regularly use to stock myself prior to setting up with a FG. Granted, it delays me about ~2 minutes in getting set up but I can certainly deal without a Logi. Having one just saves me time is all.

That delay often proves fatal if the other team has anyone who understands that battles are fought from the heights down, not from the ground up.

If one assumes that it requires two to function at its peak, or 20 million SP, etc. Then it might not seem as powerful.

That said, I support cutting the splash radius in half, or maybe only 40%, and splash damage to Chromo levels, if not just a little lower.

Ishukone assault FG with prof 5 and two damage mods does 381 splash damage over a 6m diameter. That is crazy.

I'm enjoying all the "cheater!" accusations. I get them regularly in hatemails so I'm used to it. Regardless, this is a game where the goal is for you to die and for me to live, and I'll use every advantage I can get while you wallow in tears complaining it's not fair. The point of this discussion was this: Forge guns are too effective vs infantry.

You don't understand anything about anything and should play BF4 on PC.

In all honesty, guys like this should be on CCP's payroll. SKILLED players balancing the game and game mechanics. Not, one day here, one day gone COD halfwits, with their parent's credit card.

Out of curiosity,
Which map/location did you do that from? I'm assuming it was primarily from a tower or some other elevated building. (I need to use that spot )

The only time I can put up any FG scores even REMOTELY close to that, is if I just troll and camp a high roof top or tower.

Also, for anyone that's curious the monitor is an Asus VG248QE 24" 144hz monitor. It has a built-in custom crosshair feature that lets you paste any custom crosshair onto the screen. It's a competitive gaming monitor that I used back in the day playing competetive Counter-Strike. I played for money in a much faster-paced game hence why DUST feels like easy-mode for me. I just enjoy the RPG mechanics cause I love stat tracking and character building in games.

Yes I'm using Mouse and Keyboard. No I won't use a DS3 because DS3 sucks for FPS games. Blame CCP for allowing KB/M or petition them to remove it, at which point I'll be gone and you guys can breathe a sigh of relief that the "cheater" is gone.

Was that monitor made back in the day? Because when Counterstrike was still kinda new, nobody had a flat screen and everybody had a CRT monitor.

If you get paid to play video games, it pretty much means you have never, are currently not, and will never see female genitalia during your natural born life.

.... I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

Hahaha, typical response. My girlfriend thought it was cute that I got paid to do what I like. I don't anymore, obviously, nor was jt my main job. I had a local clan that would compete for typically <$1000 in cash or prizes every now and then. This was during high school days when I had nothing better to do.

I find it hilarious people equate being good at video games to not having any social skills. It may be true in some cases, but that's likely due to confirmation bias. If you think that girls are turned off by video games, then you are probably the one that hasn't had much experience with them.

Video or it didn't happen. Why should we trust that your weren't just boosting the whole match. I'm a dedicated forge gunner and I know for a fact that even if you tower forge snipe, a regular sniper can and will shut you down. So that 60-0 is probably cheating.

I have a Logi fit that I regularly use to stock myself prior to setting up with a FG. Granted, it delays me about ~2 minutes in getting set up but I can certainly deal without a Logi. Having one just saves me time is all.

Actually, I just looked at the stats photos, and clearly, you did not have a good sniper or two on the other team. 3200 damage received is pathetically low, which explains why you were able to get that many kills.

I would also think that playing Dom on a Skim Junction map is probably the most ideal setup for a forger, because you can look right down on the objective and rain down hell. Given that you were facing a corp I have never even heard of, it is most likely that they bunched up and kept trying to horde the objective, making them ideal targets for the fg.

So the game is a combination of great map for the task, enemies dumb enough to not counter you, and also dumb enough to keep trying instead of changing strategy.

Perfect storm really.

It still serves as a good example for reducing the splash radius.

Did you literally left that crosshair sticker on to troll??

Or you forgot to take it off because it's already part of the TV?

Oh I hear ya. That would work but your number would probably drop to around 50 or so. And wowzers, you've got a custom monitor that can slap on custom crosshairs? And I thought I've heard everything. That's totally new to me. I wonder if they still make monitors with that feature.

And yes, CCP screwed DS3 users when they allowed mouse use.

The forges who say they are Main forge gunners and couldn't do it so he must be cheating...

You are the people who are messing this game up.


Skilled players exist in the FPS world.... people who literally are just better then you... get over it. That doesn't make what they do OP..... But when Skilled players come in droves and tell you a Feature or a gun is broken and is purely a tool for them to Abuse and get massive results from....

Then you get a bunch of idiots saying the opposite, And because they can't get similar results they are "cheaing" no. your just bad and hes better.... And your in Denial even with proof in your face... just like AA...

If you seriously think a Sharpie and 15 seconds of your time is "cheating" you people really need to stop playing video games... go play backgammon or something.


CCP isn't after a game anymore that reflects your personal skill at FPS's... They have installed countless skill gap compressor's. Weapons that one shot you no matter how good your are or what precautions you take, Installed AA that tracks sprinting jumping targets as if they where moving slow, tweaked hit boxes so you are hitting people you have no right to. Allowed endless grenade spamming to be the Fad again... Tweaked Blast radius's on AOE weapons so more people are taking damage more of the time.

Don't anyone of you guys for a second think CCP did this by accident... This was on purpose....

Skilled players are one thing, people who use hardware to gain an advantage then say something is OP is something totally different.

On top of using hardware to have an advantage, he was tower FG sniping. I personally do not see the fun in doing this. It is a boring way to play, unless you get enjoyment from griefing n00bs, in which case you have other issues besides being a cheater/exploiter at video games. (cheating by using hardware to get an advantage, and exploiting by using the games lack of insight in it's map design to get the upperhand)

Also, I don't know if your comment is directed toward me, but I suspect that it is. I am not a dedicated Forge Gunner, but I do use the FG. I do get good scores with it, and am not in anyway jealous of the OP's scores he got by cheating.

What many people in this game fail to realize is that their selfish stat whoring actions have a huge impact in this game. You fail to realize that you are not in an extremely competitive gaming environment. If you would stop to consider the impact your actions had on the game in general, you would tone this competitiveness down a few notches.

Rule of thumb: Just because one can do something doesn't mean one should.

Think about the negative impact something may have on the game before you try to use it to get an unfair advantage.

Console games, as I stated before are now, have always been, and always will be a casual gaming platform. If the majority of the desired playerbase approaches DUST from a casual point of view (which they do, because it is a console game) and are not able to at least feel like they are doing halfway decent in the game because of highly competitive stat whoring elitist PC gamers, they will simply not play the game.

The elitist PC gamer mentality, and using hardware for an advantage is counterproductive to building DUST's player base, and really needs to end.

Video or it didn't happen. Why should we trust that your weren't just boosting the whole match. I'm a dedicated forge gunner and I know for a fact that even if you tower forge snipe, a regular sniper can and will shut you down. So that 60-0 is probably cheating.

Two dominations, back to back:

Round One:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

Round Two:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

Hardware advantage is the name of gaming.... the better monitor the better game pad... the better sound... that point is moot... gaming monitor's with custom crosshair's have been sold by sony for years....

And the consol is a casual gaming device? your serious?

As far as exploiting advantages in the game to benefit you? and you shouldn't because you should think of how other people feel? your serious about that too? this is your first FPS? that is the developers job they actually make a living dealing with that... When i screw up at my job repeatedly... i would assume to get fired or replaced...

The fact that you think its an elitist PC gamer attitude that drives players to invest money into their gaming experience with Aurum packages at the 100 dollar range... Is just mind boggling.. Your the person stuck in the past who thinks gaming platforms should only be playable with one input device.....

Keyboard and mouse are on the way out they aren't some futuristic hardware design come to obsolete the game pad They are already being replaced.. and soon your game input will literally be at your end of your imagination...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3b4w749Tud8

Note hes playing a FPS....

Leap Motion represents an entirely new way to interact with your computers. It's more accurate than a mouse, as reliable as a keyboard and more sensitive than a touchscreen. For the first time, you can control a computer in three dimensions with your natural hand and finger movements

You seriously need to stop about the KB/M argument because your being stupid...... If people will buy monitor's for custom crosshair's and custom mice and gamepad's... They will buy a KB/M converter for the PS3 and be able to use the Aimbot WITH keyboard and mouse... a converter is 40 bux cheap end...

Your just stuck in the past ps2 mentality where you think Keyboard and mouse users arent in almost every consol game you play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1wK00M720Y


Aim assist is only another tool to be abused by Pro FPS players and people who know better... its not a tool to make noobs relevant. or help ds3 compete against keyboard which "it never had a problem with before" from any experienced ds3 users mouth that plays DUST.

its something that drastically ruins any player based skill... and put's it in the hands of a computer to react and do a majority of the aiming for you, aslong as your looking in the right direction.

So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun?

Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place.

I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread.

You're completely missing my point.

I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed.

You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation.

Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results.

Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage.

The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here.

Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating.

You seriously need to stop about the KB/M argument because your being stupid...... If people will buy monitor's for custom crosshair's and custom mice and gamepad's... They will buy a KB/M converter for the PS3 and be able to use the Aimbot WITH keyboard and mouse... a converter is 40 bux cheap end...

Your just stuck in the past ps2 mentality where you think Keyboard and mouse users arent in almost every consol game you play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1wK00M720Y


Aim assist is only another tool to be abused by Pro FPS players and people who know better... its not a tool to make noobs relevant. or help ds3 compete against keyboard which "it never had a problem with before" from any experienced ds3 users mouth that plays DUST.

its something that drastically ruins any player based skill... and put's it in the hands of a computer to react and do a majority of the aiming for you, aslong as your looking in the right direction.

First of all, you're making yourself sound like an @$$ for calling me stupid when I never even targeted you for derogatory comments.

I've used the DS3 prior to Uprising for my forge gun and only recently switched to mouse about a month ago. I know what the DS3 limitations are. I prefer DS3 for console games, but after countless run-ins with players who run circle around you while keeping their bead on target, I switched to mouse. So no, I am not knowledgeable on all of those mods, converters, and such because I don't hunt them down. Please refrain yourself from derogatory comments on replies to me.

Thank you.

CUT.

Two dominations, back to back:

Round One:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

Round Two:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

In all honesty, guys like this should be on CCP's payroll. SKILLED players balancing the game and game mechanics. Not, one day here, one day gone COD halfwits, with their parent's credit card.

You are delusional.

Regardless, I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you'll keep whining about "elitist PC players" who "cheat" by using extraneous hardware.

Delusional, no. Mature, yes!

Am I "whining" no. I do just fine against you scrubs who need assistance from "extraneous hardware". I just know this game could be so much more without you fouling it up. So roll your eyes all you want. You are an immature scrub stat *****. I hope you get tired of this game really soon along with the rest of your elitist PC gamer contemporaries.

You do that lol, because we all know the truth:

You would suck at this game without it.

I'm enjoying all the "cheater!" accusations. I get them regularly in hatemails so I'm used to it. Regardless, this is a game where the goal is for you to die and for me to live, and I'll use every advantage I can get while you wallow in tears complaining it's not fair. The point of this discussion was this: Forge guns are too effective vs infantry.

Two dominations, back to back:

Round One:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

Round Two:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

Sounds like the same argument as : "I have computer generated aim and tracking system so all you so called "skilled" players are going to die to me now"

personally ill take someone using their own input from a mouse... or use a gaming monitor been used and sold for years.... Then someone who can't aim for them self's and think they should have something guiding their aim for it to be fair or for them to be competitive....

Your just a guy who wants to run and forge gun with AR's, think Forgers shouldn't use any tactical advantages, And should all be limited to a 30 year old means for control input...

And if everyone followed your set of "honor" the forge gun would be perfectly balanced...

Just short yellow bus worthy...

You do that lol, because we all know the truth:

You would suck at this game without it.

Tell me now, what is a "true" forge? Someone who runs around on the ground? I can post similar scores using an AR if you think I'm cheating. This wasn't academy. It was a regular Domination that I played in a 2-man squad. My Logibros dropped nanohives for me on some high-ground and I spent the match blasting people left and right with no remorse. Simple formula, really.

Forge splash can 2 shot most suits. That is what is OP, not KB/M or custom crosshairs or what have you. People don't like getting their weapon called OP when someone finds a way to make it way too effective. The fact that I can sit 200m away and two shot suits in <4 seconds is pretty broke. That and I can kill pretty much anything in range...

Forge isn't broken, the kb/m you use to play Dust is.

Also the ~3 OB's you got in those two matches likely gave you 30-40% of all your kills, and having a dedicated logibro (who is really good) pretty much makes any heavy into a Dust god.

Yeah clearly I'm able to go 60-0 (two games in a row) because my mouse just aims for me while the keyboard automates my movements and decides which situations I put myself in. Everything I do is a result of some piece of hardware or other excuse you can come up with.

Mature?

Yeah because mature people throw around ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the topic. Like I said, you are delusional.

Your use of latin does not lend anymore credence to your ridiculous premise.

Go 60/0 with a FG without the use of your special monitor, using a DS3, and without tower camping.

Go ahead, put yourself on a level playing field with every other player, and lets see you get those scores.

I'm waiting.

I'm sorry but war is never fair. The days of standing in neat lines and shooting at each other in syncopation died with the Imperial age. I will use whatever means I can to kill you and you will always claim I had an advantage because you lack the desire to overcome and instead choose to compensate with an extra dose of putting blame. Besides, why fix what isn't broken? Why would I give up what works (extremely) well?

You of course will say I lack the skill, and I of course will retort by calling you a scrub who can't adapt. And the cycle continues...

And I was getting sniped at the entire time in those matches. 2x Complex Shield Regulators and Repping nanohives allows me to stay alive almost indefinitely unless someone busts out a Thale's and manages to get headshots back to back.

I'm sorry but war is never fair. The days of standing in neat lines and shooting at each other in syncopation died with the Imperial age. I will use whatever means I can to kill you and you will always claim I had an advantage because you lack the desire to overcome and instead choose to compensate with an extra dose of putting blame. Besides, why fix what isn't broken? Why would I give up what works (extremely) well?

You of course will say I lack the skill, and I of course will retort by calling you a scrub who can't adapt. And the cycle continues...

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Delusional, no. Mature, yes!

Am I "whining" no. I do just fine against you scrubs who need assistance from "extraneous hardware". I just know this game could be so much more without you fouling it up. So roll your eyes all you want. You are an immature scrub stat *****. I hope you get tired of this game really soon along with the rest of your elitist PC gamer contemporaries.

You do that lol, because we all know the truth:

You would suck at this game without it.

Sounds like the same argument as : "I have computer generated aim and tracking system so all you so called "skilled" players are going to die to me now"

personally ill take someone using their own input from a mouse... or use a gaming monitor been used and sold for years.... Then someone who can't aim for them self's and think they should have something guiding their aim for it to be fair or for them to be competitive....

Your just a guy who wants to run and forge gun with AR's, think Forgers shouldn't use any tactical advantages, And should all be limited to a 30 year old means for control input...

And if everyone followed your set of "honor" the forge gun would be perfectly balanced...

Just short yellow bus worthy...

Lol even if I did use aim assist, the FG does not have it.

I really don't need AA to be good at DUST. I also don't need a Kb/M or special monitor.

Like I stated earlier, if you are good, you will be good without all of the extra hardware helping you. If you need the extra hardware just to get good scores and stroke your ego, you really are not good at all.

What makes someone a good player, is the fact that they can use the same controls as anybody else, with no extra hardware and still be good.

If you really think having a special monitor to change your reticule doesn't make a difference, you are delusional. They wouldn't make one if it had no effect.

If you really think using a Kb/M makes no difference, try a DS3 for a month. Specifically try it against players who you know use Kb/M. I can pick them out of a match every time. The difference is like seeing a kiwi in a basket of oranges.

I never said a Forge Gunner shouldn't use tactical advantages. I hardly equate camping on top of a 200m tower a tactical advantage. It is cowardly tbqh.

Your insinuation that people who use the DS3 are mentally handicapped just points more to your elitist PC gamer mentality, which is rubbish and is killing this game.

Get off your high horse.

My "fixes" to the FG (not that i believe it needs any but eh noobs be mad):

-Decrease the range and increase DD
-Decrease splash
-increase toll taken on nanohives

Right now that's the most I can think of. However people can't simply decrease the splash/range and lower the DD as well that would be down right stupid. However the most practical thing to do would be the third option. The reason being the MAIN problem people tend to have with FGs is how much ammo they get back from nanohives which prolongs their ability to shoot infantry/vehicles. However, making it so that nanohives last a shorter amount of time when FGs take ammo from it and making it so that FG ammo is replenished slower makes the FG a more tactical weapon.

At least that's what i believe so far.

You can pick out kb/m users? because i know most of the elite in this game couldn't tell you one way or another...

Your argument makes about as much sense as the I am for AA argument...

And hardware is gaming... get over it... who has the biggest monitor.. who has the racing wheel.... Who has the better headphones... who has the solid state drive... If you bought a ps3 so that you wouldn't have to invest into your gaming experience.. welcome to console's actually being more then a casual gamers device....

If you had to change from ds3 to mouse because you couldn't move and track your targets at the same time... without going to mouse and keyboard... then claim hes cheating cuz he used the same..

Your just in denial and making up delusional retort's thinking that the FG is only OP because they are using dishonorable and cowardly tactics.. and should be running and gunning with it.

That goes for you too snipers!!! only running gunning and quick-scoping allowed now!

If you bought a ps3 so that you wouldn't have to invest into your gaming experience.. welcome to console's actually being more then a casual gamers device....

Two dominations, back to back:

Round One:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

Round Two:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

So if it doesn't need changes according to you, then why suggest them?

Especially since your suggestions make no sense.

If you reduce the range, you make it much more difficult to do what it is suppossed to do, which is AV work.

If you increase direct damage, you risk making it OP vs tanks, which are supposed to be the primary target. They are already OP vs dropships, so adding more DD would be no good.

Forget the toll on hives, because any reasonable PC setup involves a whole fittings worth of hives, just for the fatties.

No, the big difference is to severely cut the splash range and mildly cut the splash damage. This allows the FG to still be effective in its primary role, while limiting its effectiveness versus infantry. If someone can get a 3 pack of splashes, they deserve to kill infantry, and if they get a direct hit, they absolutely should kill any suit they hit.

What would reduce the QQ is to limit the ability of the FG to pump box after box of ammo onto an objective and kill anyone in a 6m circle. That is why it gets slagged. Not because it is OP versus vehicles(other than poor, poor dropships).

What would reduce the QQ is to limit the ability of the FG to pump box after box of ammo onto an objective and kill anyone in a 6m circle.

There is no forge gun in the game with a blast radius of 6 meters. The most you can get is 3.

Radius is the point from the center of a circle to the edge.

Radius of 3 = diameter of 6

Just to clear that up.

Somethings a little fishy that both matches where against OSCURA VERDAD and their players had 41 deaths just in their squad that I can see. hmmmmmmmmmmm

You guys are talking about shelling money out for a monitor as if I spent thousands on hardware. I bought this monitor years ago and it probably cost less than your 52" HDTV. I use the monitor for both PS3 and PC gaming, so I in fact probably spent less. My mouse and keyboard I've had for years and I use no converter.

Whatever, I'm done with this thread and the petty accusations. See you on the battlefield.

Some other score sheets:

48-0 with AR
50-0 with AR
50-0 with AR (Against full Molon Labe squad)

All with no artificial crosshair. Just good ol KB/M and a gun. Let the whining commence!

Look sorry but, WE DON'T CARE, the point you have tried to make has been completely invalidated, because of 1 simple reason, you bypassed one of the forge guns biggest drawbacks, HOW you did this is irrespective, your point would be just as invalid if you had put a dot physically on your telly!

You can't claim a weapon is op based on your experience, if you have bypassed the built-in negatives to the weapon!!

First off splashnon FG is a little too much, A LITTLE.

Secondly your telling me dust is easy mode
when you have shelled out money for superior hardware, that gives you a physical tactical advantage?

I mean there is nothing wrong with it, but its like winning a knife fight with a hand and a half sword!!

K. I'll keep blasting then. My goal here was to help you guys. I have no problem padding my stats with my new favorite toy.

You caught me. I hit up my long lost Hispanic brethren, asked them to queue sync against me, and proceeded to farm them non stop with a Forge Gun!

Yup , i could buy that.

Superior hardware?

a monitor made by Asus? sony makes one too....

http://www.amazon.com/Series-VG278HE-27-Inch-LED-lit-Monitor/dp/B00906HM6K

How much did your flatscreen cost?

maybe the 5 dollar USB mouse and keyboard....

You guys cant seriously think what you are....

Superior hardware?

a monitor made by Asus? sony makes one too....

http://www.amazon.com/Series-VG278HE-27-Inch-LED-lit-Monitor/dp/B00906HM6K

How much did your flatscreen cost?

maybe the 5 dollar USB mouse and keyboard....

You guys cant seriously think what you are....

The forge guns ability to demolish infantry halfway (or sometimes all the way) across the map is ridiculous and needs to go, especially the freaking assault forge guns. You guys can get hung up on Funkmaster's cross hairs or KB/M setup all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the forge gun being able to kill everything is ridiculous. I've been in a corp with a guy that can and has basically won games by himself with his forge gun.

The forge gun should either:

A) be changed somehow to do less damage against infantry

or

B) have its splash radius reduced

I would prefer the first because I think the forge should still be a significant threat to vehicles

The forge guns ability to demolish infantry halfway (or sometimes all the way) across the map is ridiculous and needs to go, especially the freaking assault forge guns. You guys can get hung up on Funkmaster's cross hairs or KB/M setup all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the forge gun being able to kill everything is ridiculous. I've been in a corp with a guy that can and has basically won games by himself with his forge gun.

The forge gun should either:

A) be changed somehow to do less damage against infantry

or

B) have its splash radius reduced

I would prefer the first because I think the forge should still be a significant threat to vehicles

Look sorry but, WE DON'T CARE, the point you have tried to make has been completely invalidated, because of 1 simple reason, you bypassed one of the forge guns biggest drawbacks, HOW you did this is irrespective, your point would be just as invalid if you had put a dot physically on your telly!

You can't claim a weapon is op based on your experience, if you have bypassed the built-in negatives to the weapon!!

No because the round disintergrates after about 400m, you could make 350m if you want but It is by definition an anti-material weapon, by definition anything that gets hit by it should physically cease to exist!

Howevef a possible way is to lower the ROF of the assault by adding a recoil animation, that lasts a second or so, this means the first shot takes 2.5 secs but the second takes at least 3.5!

The Range of the FG is 300m Tops.

What you are suggesting would only encourage Tower FG sniping because once you fire, you would be completely vulnerable just as if you Overheated a weapon, or are reloading. This would completely gimp those of us who play without exploiting dirty tricks, and bad design elements.

Nerf Tower Camping. Reshape the tops of towers to make it impossible to land on and camp from them.

Note the example of your Dust community...

Everywhere else those monitor's are hailed as genius... and general consensus that its actually good and adding to the FPS experience as some players naturally know where the center is... Some take some practice to get there and some will never know....

Come here.... and he is hacking!!! and cheating!!! hes up high ohnoes and has a logi friend and has crosshair's!!! OOOOOOo everything hes done is now invalid...


Just a joke.

CUT

The Range of the FG is 300m Tops.

What you are suggesting would only encourage Tower FG sniping because once you fire, you would be completely vulnerable just as if you Overheated a weapon, or are reloading. This would completely gimp those of us who play without exploiting dirty tricks, and bad design elements.

Nerf Tower Camping. Reshape the tops of towers to make it impossible to land on and camp from them.

Then truth be told I don't the problem, you could perhaps reduce SD 10%, but other than that, I expect it to kill me!!

It should be super easy to fix the forge gun against infantry problem.

Make it so that the crosshairs never go red against infantry, problem solved.

Two dominations, back to back:

Round One:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

Round Two:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

It should be super easy to fix the forge gun against infantry problem.

Make it so that the crosshairs never go red against infantry, problem solved.

Talks about how easy it is to use FG, has crosshairs taped to screen.

There is no "forge gun against infantry problem". The FG does exactly what it is supposed to do.

If you get hit with a Large Rail Turret from a sniper tank, do you complain about it?

What if you get 1 shotted by a Railgun Installation? Should we nerf those too?

There is no "forge gun against infantry problem". The FG does exactly what it is supposed to do.

If you get hit with a Large Rail Turret from a sniper tank, do you complain about it?

What if you get 1 shotted by a Railgun Installation? Should we nerf those too?

Oh, wait, theres one more diference:
You can skill into a forgegun that OUTDAMAGES EITHER OF THEM!

This is way, way OP.

There is no "forge gun against infantry problem". The FG does exactly what it is supposed to do.

If you get hit with a Large Rail Turret from a sniper tank, do you complain about it?

What if you get 1 shotted by a Railgun Installation? Should we nerf those too?

The difference is both of those have their drawbacks.
One is fixed in place, so cant run away from AV type attacks, or hide behind cover. The other one costs 100k-300k average fitting.

Oh, wait, theres one more diference:
You can skill into a forgegun that OUTDAMAGES EITHER OF THEM!

This is way, way OP.

If you take a hit by my " I CANTFUKINMOVEWHILECHARGIN 6SEC Breach" YOU are a BAD tanker, your fault, not mine.

It would be better if the crosshairs didn't flash red.

I'd like to see splash damage reduced to 10% of direct damage and since the standard "hold charge" FG is going to stay, how about a limit on how long the charge can be held? Infinite charge holding is ridiculous. Also halve the damage of the Militia variant. If you want the benefits of the FG, one should have to skill into them.

oh, I see.

If you cant see for 200m radius, 360 degrees around you at all times.... you're a bad tanker.
Got it.

and to Master Jaraiya:
what you said would be fair enoug.. execpt for the fact that FG has range of over 200m.
So he can charge up, fire, and get into cover, before any of your beloved AR wielders get near him.

The ONLY change I would make to any FG is the "hold charge" variants.

I would make them so that the longer you hold a charge, the more the reticule shakes.

The point is that the monitor allows one to circumnavigate the reticule of the FG (or any other weapon) which was specifically designed the way it was so as to somewhat limit the usefulness of the weapon.

A Kb/M Setup will always provide more precise aiming control over a DS3 controller.

This. I totally agree on all those points. I am effectively bypassing CCP's entire balance scheme over a handful of colored pixels. Think about it. Should what you consider as "balanced" be entrusted to the user's potential to miss? What happens when someone manages to land precise shots all the time?

60-0 in pubs against randoms who have no idea how to counter it.

The gun needs to be reconsidered as far as its effectiveness versus infantry. All I'm saying. All the other reasons that discredit me are perfectly valid. I've stated multiple times. Yes I'm using KB/M in a console game, Yes I use a custom crosshair due to hardware specific monitors, Yes it makes me incredibly precise. Extraneous variables aside, the science here is that the Forge Gun is effectively a 4-clip, high damage, huge blast radius Big Bang Kamehameha x100 (Gogeta edition). My ultimatum is this:

Don't balance a gun around expecting its user to miss.

The Range of the FG is 300m Tops.

What you are suggesting would only encourage Tower FG sniping because once you fire, you would be completely vulnerable just as if you Overheated a weapon, or are reloading. This would completely gimp those of us who play without exploiting dirty tricks, and bad design elements.

Nerf Tower Camping. Reshape the tops of towers to make it impossible to land on and camp from them.

That's an Idea I can get behind. Add an overheat to Forges, preventing spam. If you fire all four back to back (three on the militia) then you could overheat, slowing your ability to continue harassing infantry and vehicles. Everyone (save FGunners) is happy.

That's an Idea I can get behind. Add an overheat to Forges, preventing spam. If you fire all four back to back (three on the militia) then you could overheat, slowing your ability to continue harassing infantry and vehicles. Everyone (save FGunners) is happy.

After you fire all 4 rounds, you must reload, slowing your ability to continue harassing infantry and vehicles.

Two dominations, back to back:

Round One:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

Round Two:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

You are delusional.

Regardless, I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you'll keep whining about "elitist PC players" who "cheat" by using extraneous hardware.

Forges should be more like forges were in chromosome, mainly for av but near impossible to hold steady and snipe a sprinting scout at 200m.

As infantry in chromosome I could practically watch a forge blast come at me and sidestep it, now if you see a charged forge gun looking in your direction at range your only option is to pray he is aiming at someone else.. its not about mechanics changing, you still hold down one button while aiming with the stick or mouse then release. If you are worse now with the forge I dont know what to tell you that would be very productive. Every match seems like the first team obtaining Forge/altitude advantage wins. Heavies using hmgs on the groung are being melted by militia assault rifles so now everyone gets up high with forges. In my opinion heavies are better off running around with smgs and forges than bothering with the hmg which is something I would like to see fixed.

This. I totally agree on all those points. I am effectively bypassing CCP's entire balance scheme over a handful of colored pixels. Think about it. Should what you consider as "balanced" be entrusted to the user's potential to miss? What happens when someone manages to land precise shots all the time?

60-0 in pubs against randoms who have no idea how to counter it.

The gun needs to be reconsidered as far as its effectiveness versus infantry. All I'm saying. All the other reasons that discredit me are perfectly valid. I've stated multiple times. Yes I'm using KB/M in a console game, Yes I use a custom crosshair due to hardware specific monitors, Yes it makes me incredibly precise. Extraneous variables aside, the science here is that the Forge Gun is effectively a 4-clip, high damage, huge blast radius Big Bang Kamehameha x100 (Gogeta edition). My ultimatum is this:

Don't balance a gun around expecting its user to miss.

Snipers aren't OP because none of them aside from the Charge or Thale's can one-shot you (except with headshot, and even that isn't enough vs heavies sometimes).

A forge gun direct hit will always kill you. And if I happen to miss, don't worry, splash damage will wreak your shields. Then it's just one more semi-accurate shot from above and you're dead. Even behind cover the splash will hit you and kill you. Such a huge margin of error for an amazingly powerful weapon.

Two dominations, back to back:

Round One:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

Round Two:
Stat Sheet
Scoreboard

So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.

(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)

Sure, but if EVERY ONE of my shots would actually hit the target (it doesn't even have to be headshot), my average kill count per match would surely double, if not better. This means that every dedicated sniper in DUST (I'm not counting people who occasionally snipe for whatever reason) would do 20-30 kills per match ON AVERAGE, with minimum to no losses.

I can just imagine a shitstorm of "nerf sniper" threads that would be unleashed if that was the case.

Every time I read PC vs. Console casual I kept thinking "Planetary Conquest" and that's not exactly casual play.
DUST isn't Tetris, it's a FPS and those will be competitive by nature. Folks will do what they can to be as competitive as possible.

As far as the reticle making the FG into a SR, it's ALREADY a SR. It tracks straight and true with no deviation which is the main attribute of a SR. You can't remove that quality by slapping a bad reticle on it especially when all it takes is a sharpie to give you a "red dot" sight.

A bad reticle is a half assed way to "nerf' a SR that is simply too easy to overcome in a completely undetectable way. Is CCP going to come to your home to make sure you aren't placing a dot on your screen? They couldn't even prevent someone from using a modded controller. What was the solution to that? Change the basic stats on the weapon so it didn't matter.

Likewise if the SR like accuracy is an issue alter that, not the reticle.

I do this pretty regularly when I snipe (like I mentioned before, I'm pretty accurate)..

Sorry Doc but i disagree with you
back in cromo the FG was the same as it's now, the only difference is that there was a skylimit so scrubs (sniper or fg) cant hide on towers.
I'm a ground forger and i forge on x=0 or on a high with ladders and easy accessible (not to mention at AR range)

Tower snipin ( Thale or FG) need to go to hell

In case you didn't see my earlier post, I was in a Dom match with you, and you were holding the objective pretty tight, so I called in a DS to try and kill you, so I tried to jump out, killing myself in the process, and then the DS landed on you and some other guy :D

You don't seem like a "new" forge gunner.

Quote.

I will keep quoting myself until you respond, Funk

The stats of an individual are never enough to go off of.

Even if there was heavy evidence that forge guns were almost always performing well, there are other factors- poor map design (for the older maps/outposts) is one of them.