DUST Search - Forge Guns are Broken

Master Jaraiya wrote:

Funkmaster Whale wrote:

So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun?

Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place.

I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread.

You're completely missing my point.

I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed.

You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation.

Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results.

Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage.

The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here.

Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating.


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Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 628	Posted - 2013.09.19 13:40:00 - [1] - Quote Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat Sheet Scoreboard Round Two: Stat Sheet Scoreboard So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 628	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:10:00 - [2] - Quote ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: Not gonna lie those 60 bombs look nice I just surprised you go so negative in PC Regnum you'll never give up the trolling, eh? I don't ever remember going negative in a PC so clearly you're just talking out your ass like you oh so love to do. I'd like to go 1v1 against you if you think I'm so bad. Unfortunately it wouldn't mean anything in a team-based game like this. Alas, you have the better team, I'll admit, and I have no team. When the day comes when we can clone ourselves, a 16v16 Funkmaster Clone Army vs Regnum Clone Army would be pretty cool. Until then I guess As far as the crosshair goes, it's definitely unfair but so is life. It's hardly "cheating" considering I'm not breaking any game mechanics. You would have the same effect if you put a dot with a sharpie on the middle of your monitor/TV. Call it what you will, Forge Guns are still ridiculous and this was primarily anti-infantry.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 628	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:11:00 - [3] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat Sheet Scoreboard Round Two: Stat Sheet Scoreboard So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON) Try those numbers again without your personal bodyguard/medic and see what numbers you get. No nanohives and no medic, those numbers will drop significantly. Because not even a mouse can OHK every moving target. I have a Logi fit that I regularly use to stock myself prior to setting up with a FG. Granted, it delays me about ~2 minutes in getting set up but I can certainly deal without a Logi. Having one just saves me time is all.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 628	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:16:00 - [4] - Quote I'm enjoying all the "cheater!" accusations. I get them regularly in hatemails so I'm used to it. Regardless, this is a game where the goal is for you to die and for me to live, and I'll use every advantage I can get while you wallow in tears complaining it's not fair. The point of this discussion was this: Forge guns are too effective vs infantry.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 628	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:27:00 - [5] - Quote Also, for anyone that's curious the monitor is an Asus VG248QE 24" 144hz monitor. It has a built-in custom crosshair feature that lets you paste any custom crosshair onto the screen. It's a competitive gaming monitor that I used back in the day playing competetive Counter-Strike. I played for money in a much faster-paced game hence why DUST feels like easy-mode for me. I just enjoy the RPG mechanics cause I love stat tracking and character building in games. Yes I'm using Mouse and Keyboard. No I won't use a DS3 because DS3 sucks for FPS games. Blame CCP for allowing KB/M or petition them to remove it, at which point I'll be gone and you guys can breathe a sigh of relief that the "cheater" is gone.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 629	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:30:00 - [6] - Quote Inyanga wrote: Any skill or credibility you had with your argument flew out the window. I move for a lock to this thread. A troll thread, obviously cheating, and no one who truly Forges ever gets those scores, unless it's an Academy Domination, and the cranberries just stood around looking at the flowers and friends. Tell me now, what is a "true" forge? Someone who runs around on the ground? I can post similar scores using an AR if you think I'm cheating. This wasn't academy. It was a regular Domination that I played in a 2-man squad. My Logibros dropped nanohives for me on some high-ground and I spent the match blasting people left and right with no remorse. Simple formula, really. Forge splash can 2 shot most suits. That is what is OP, not KB/M or custom crosshairs or what have you. People don't like getting their weapon called OP when someone finds a way to make it way too effective. The fact that I can sit 200m away and two shot suits in <4 seconds is pretty broke. That and I can kill pretty much anything in range...
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 629	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:35:00 - [7] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: I have a Logi fit that I regularly use to stock myself prior to setting up with a FG. Granted, it delays me about ~2 minutes in getting set up but I can certainly deal without a Logi. Having one just saves me time is all. That delay often proves fatal if the other team has anyone who understands that battles are fought from the heights down, not from the ground up. If one assumes that it requires two to function at its peak, or 20 million SP, etc. Then it might not seem as powerful. That said, I support cutting the splash radius in half, or maybe only 40%, and splash damage to Chromo levels, if not just a little lower. Ishukone assault FG with prof 5 and two damage mods does 381 splash damage over a 6m diameter. That is crazy. Thank you for the reasonable response. You're right that time is crucial, but this was a pub match. Any sort of PC match I would either (a) be playing my assault suit or (b) most certainly have a Logi if I was FGing. Granted, I've never played an FG in PC. Like I said, specced into it two weeks ago (this was with Prof 2 and 1x 10% mod).
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 629	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:37:00 - [8] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: I'm enjoying all the "cheater!" accusations. I get them regularly in hatemails so I'm used to it. Regardless, this is a game where the goal is for you to die and for me to live, and I'll use every advantage I can get while you wallow in tears complaining it's not fair. The point of this discussion was this: Forge guns are too effective vs infantry. You don't understand anything about anything and should play BF4 on PC. I most certainly will. Will you join me? :]
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 629	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:51:00 - [9] - Quote Son Down wrote: In all honesty, guys like this should be on CCP's payroll. SKILLED players balancing the game and game mechanics. Not, one day here, one day gone COD halfwits, with their parent's credit card. Appreciate that, but I don't need to get paid to tell CCP that splash damage is too ridiculous. To me, I quickly realized the FG is the Golden Gun of DUST. Put yourself in the right place and you can wreak total havoc on an enemy team with little threat. And I was getting sniped at the entire time in those matches. 2x Complex Shield Regulators and Repping nanohives allows me to stay alive almost indefinitely unless someone busts out a Thale's and manages to get headshots back to back.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 629	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:53:00 - [10] - Quote Fargen Icehole wrote: Out of curiosity, Which map/location did you do that from? I'm assuming it was primarily from a tower or some other elevated building. (I need to use that spot ) The only time I can put up any FG scores even REMOTELY close to that, is if I just troll and camp a high roof top or tower. The first round was on Manus Peak with a tabletop installation. I was on the tabletop, so not all that high. The second round was Line Harvest on the Southwestern most tower (the side that overlooks Alpha and Charlie on skirmish).

Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 629	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:05:00 - [11] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Also, for anyone that's curious the monitor is an Asus VG248QE 24" 144hz monitor. It has a built-in custom crosshair feature that lets you paste any custom crosshair onto the screen. It's a competitive gaming monitor that I used back in the day playing competetive Counter-Strike. I played for money in a much faster-paced game hence why DUST feels like easy-mode for me. I just enjoy the RPG mechanics cause I love stat tracking and character building in games. Yes I'm using Mouse and Keyboard. No I won't use a DS3 because DS3 sucks for FPS games. Blame CCP for allowing KB/M or petition them to remove it, at which point I'll be gone and you guys can breathe a sigh of relief that the "cheater" is gone. Was that monitor made back in the day? Because when Counterstrike was still kinda new, nobody had a flat screen and everybody had a CRT monitor. Yes I was still using it in CS:S comps. And you're right, I used CRT back in 1.6 days.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 631	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:30:00 - [12] - Quote Son Down wrote: If you get paid to play video games, it pretty much means you have never, are currently not, and will never see female genitalia during your natural born life. Hahaha, typical response. My girlfriend thought it was cute that I got paid to do what I like. I don't anymore, obviously, nor was jt my main job. I had a local clan that would compete for typically <$1000 in cash or prizes every now and then. This was during high school days when I had nothing better to do. I find it hilarious people equate being good at video games to not having any social skills. It may be true in some cases, but that's likely due to confirmation bias. If you think that girls are turned off by video games, then you are probably the one that hasn't had much experience with them.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 634	Posted - 2013.09.19 18:35:00 - [13] - Quote Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote: Did you literally left that crosshair sticker on to troll?? Or you forgot to take it off because it's already part of the TV? I forgot to take it off. Not like it would matter anyway. The crosshair is there as a visual cue. In no way shape or form does it actually aim for me. That's entirely me. Most good forge gunners recognize the center of the crosshair without it anyway. Alas, I am not a good forge gunner; I simply copied someone else's spot and let loose. Using a forge gun is as simple as point and shoot and knowing the relation between charge time, travel time, and target tracking. After about an hour it becomes muscle memory and you start 1-2 shotting everyone who's not under cover. What's left just comes down to dodging snipers/other forge guns. I just can't wait until I get Rapid Reload skilled into
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 634	Posted - 2013.09.19 19:08:00 - [14] - Quote So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun? Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place. I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 634	Posted - 2013.09.19 19:59:00 - [15] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun? Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place. I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread. You're completely missing my point. I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation. Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results. Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage. The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here. Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating. You are delusional. Regardless, I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you'll keep whining about "elitist PC players" who "cheat" by using extraneous hardware.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 636	Posted - 2013.09.19 21:25:00 - [16] - Quote Yeah clearly I'm able to go 60-0 (two games in a row) because my mouse just aims for me while the keyboard automates my movements and decides which situations I put myself in. Everything I do is a result of some piece of hardware or other excuse you can come up with. Mature? Quote: You do that lol, because we all know the truth: You would suck at this game without it. Yeah because mature people throw around ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the topic. Like I said, you are delusional.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 636	Posted - 2013.09.19 21:29:00 - [17] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat Sheet Scoreboard Round Two: Stat Sheet Scoreboard So I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON) Forge isn't broken, the kb/m you use to play Dust is. Also the ~3 OB's you got in those two matches likely gave you 30-40% of all your kills, and having a dedicated logibro (who is really good) pretty much makes any heavy into a Dust god. 30-40% would mean 18-24 kills, and I only got 2 OBs. That would mean each OB would have gotten 9-12 kills which would be a feat in and of itself. And in truth I only got 3-4 kills per OB. Logibro dropped nanohives for me in the first 30 seconds of the game and went off to do his own thing for the rest of the match. But go ahead, keep on making baseless justifications.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 636	Posted - 2013.09.19 21:36:00 - [18] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Yeah clearly I'm able to go 60-0 (two games in a row) because my mouse just aims for me while the keyboard automates my movements and decides which situations I put myself in. Everything I do is a result of some piece of hardware or other excuse you can come up with. Mature? Quote: You do that lol, because we all know the truth: You would suck at this game without it. Yeah because mature people throw around ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the topic. Like I said, you are delusional. Your use of latin does not lend anymore credence to your ridiculous premise. Go 60/0 with a FG without the use of your special monitor, using a DS3, and without tower camping. Go ahead, put yourself on a level playing field with every other player, and lets see you get those scores. I'm waiting. I'm sorry but war is never fair. The days of standing in neat lines and shooting at each other in syncopation died with the Imperial age. I will use whatever means I can to kill you and you will always claim I had an advantage because you lack the desire to overcome and instead choose to compensate with an extra dose of putting blame. Besides, why fix what isn't broken? Why would I give up what works (extremely) well? You of course will say I lack the skill, and I of course will retort by calling you a scrub who can't adapt. And the cycle continues...
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 638	Posted - 2013.09.19 23:33:00 - [19] - Quote You guys are talking about shelling money out for a monitor as if I spent thousands on hardware. I bought this monitor years ago and it probably cost less than your 52" HDTV. I use the monitor for both PS3 and PC gaming, so I in fact probably spent less. My mouse and keyboard I've had for years and I use no converter. Whatever, I'm done with this thread and the petty accusations. See you on the battlefield. Some other score sheets: 48-0 with AR 50-0 with AR 50-0 with AR (Against full Molon Labe squad) All with no artificial crosshair. Just good ol KB/M and a gun. Let the whining commence!
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 638	Posted - 2013.09.19 23:36:00 - [20] - Quote Enderr Wigginn wrote: Somethings a little fishy that both matches where against OSCURA VERDAD and their players had 41 deaths just in their squad that I can see. hmmmmmmmmmmm You caught me. I hit up my long lost Hispanic brethren, asked them to queue sync against me, and proceeded to farm them non stop with a Forge Gun!

Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 639	Posted - 2013.09.19 23:50:00 - [21] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: You guys are talking about shelling money out for a monitor as if I spent thousands on hardware. I bought this monitor years ago and it probably cost less than your 52" HDTV. I use the monitor for both PS3 and PC gaming, so I in fact probably spent less. My mouse and keyboard I've had for years and I use no converter. Whatever, I'm done with this thread and the petty accusations. See you on the battlefield. Some other score sheets: 48-0 with AR 50-0 with AR 50-0 with AR (Against full Molon Labe squad) All with no artificial crosshair. Just good ol KB/M and a gun. Let the whining commence! Look sorry but, WE DON'T CARE, the point you have tried to make has been completely invalidated, because of 1 simple reason, you bypassed one of the forge guns biggest drawbacks, HOW you did this is irrespective, your point would be just as invalid if you had put a dot physically on your telly! You can't claim a weapon is op based on your experience, if you have bypassed the built-in negatives to the weapon!! K. I'll keep blasting then. My goal here was to help you guys. I have no problem padding my stats with my new favorite toy.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 639	Posted - 2013.09.19 23:56:00 - [22] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Enderr Wigginn wrote: Somethings a little fishy that both matches where against OSCURA VERDAD and their players had 41 deaths just in their squad that I can see. hmmmmmmmmmmm You caught me. I hit up my long lost Hispanic brethren, asked them to queue sync against me, and proceeded to farm them non stop with a Forge Gun! Yup , i could buy that. You'd be surprised at the rates. 5 pesos/kill last I checked. That's a steal!
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 639	Posted - 2013.09.20 02:00:00 - [23] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: DootDoot wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: First off splashnon FG is a little too much, A LITTLE. Secondly your telling me dust is easy mode when you have shelled out money for superior hardware, that gives you a physical tactical advantage? I mean there is nothing wrong with it, but its like winning a knife fight with a hand and a half sword!! Superior hardware? a monitor made by Asus? sony makes one too.... http://www.amazon.com/Series-VG278HE-27-Inch-LED-lit-Monitor/dp/B00906HM6K How much did your flatscreen cost? maybe the 5 dollar USB mouse and keyboard.... You guys cant seriously think what you are.... The point is that the monitor allows one to circumnavigate the reticule of the FG (or any other weapon) which was specifically designed the way it was so as to somewhat limit the usefulness of the weapon. A Kb/M Setup will always provide more precise aiming control over a DS3 controller. This. I totally agree on all those points. I am effectively bypassing CCP's entire balance scheme over a handful of colored pixels. Think about it. Should what you consider as "balanced" be entrusted to the user's potential to miss? What happens when someone manages to land precise shots all the time? 60-0 in pubs against randoms who have no idea how to counter it. The gun needs to be reconsidered as far as its effectiveness versus infantry. All I'm saying. All the other reasons that discredit me are perfectly valid. I've stated multiple times. Yes I'm using KB/M in a console game, Yes I use a custom crosshair due to hardware specific monitors, Yes it makes me incredibly precise. Extraneous variables aside, the science here is that the Forge Gun is effectively a 4-clip, high damage, huge blast radius Big Bang Kamehameha x100 (Gogeta edition). My ultimatum is this: Don't balance a gun around expecting its user to miss.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 641	Posted - 2013.09.20 11:58:00 - [24] - Quote Snipers aren't OP because none of them aside from the Charge or Thale's can one-shot you (except with headshot, and even that isn't enough vs heavies sometimes). A forge gun direct hit will always kill you. And if I happen to miss, don't worry, splash damage will wreak your shields. Then it's just one more semi-accurate shot from above and you're dead. Even behind cover the splash will hit you and kill you. Such a huge margin of error for an amazingly powerful weapon.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 641	Posted - 2013.09.20 12:33:00 - [25] - Quote George Moros wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Snipers aren't OP because none of them aside from the Charge or Thale's can one-shot you (except with headshot, and even that isn't enough vs heavies sometimes). A forge gun direct hit will always kill you. And if I happen to miss, don't worry, splash damage will wreak your shields. Then it's just one more semi-accurate shot from above and you're dead. Even behind cover the splash will hit you and kill you. Such a huge margin of error for an amazingly powerful weapon. Sure, but if EVERY ONE of my shots would actually hit the target (it doesn't even have to be headshot), my average kill count per match would surely double, if not better. This means that every dedicated sniper in DUST (I'm not counting people who occasionally snipe for whatever reason) would do 20-30 kills per match ON AVERAGE, with minimum to no losses. I can just imagine a shitstorm of "nerf sniper" threads that would be unleashed if that was the case. I do this pretty regularly when I snipe (like I mentioned before, I'm pretty accurate). I dont snipe much anymore because the FG is superior in most scenarios. The only reason i use a sniper anymore is to kill other snipers.The fact remains that it still takes multiple direct shots and you can get behind cover for a sniper. Forge can still blast away at you with splash even behind cover. Forge can also get multi-kills with splash.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 643	Posted - 2013.09.20 14:27:00 - [26] - Quote Skihids wrote: Every time I read PC vs. Console casual I kept thinking "Planetary Conquest" and that's not exactly casual play. DUST isn't Tetris, it's a FPS and those will be competitive by nature. Folks will do what they can to be as competitive as possible. As far as the reticle making the FG into a SR, it's ALREADY a SR. It tracks straight and true with no deviation which is the main attribute of a SR. You can't remove that quality by slapping a bad reticle on it especially when all it takes is a sharpie to give you a "red dot" sight. A bad reticle is a half assed way to "nerf' a SR that is simply too easy to overcome in a completely undetectable way. Is CCP going to come to your home to make sure you aren't placing a dot on your screen? They couldn't even prevent someone from using a modded controller. What was the solution to that? Change the basic stats on the weapon so it didn't matter. Likewise if the SR like accuracy is an issue alter that, not the reticle. I've been trying to hammer this point the entire thread but everyone has been so caught up about me using a KB/M and artificial crosshair that they are simply refusing to see the actual point of this entire thread. Everyone tried to justify and discredit what I did but in this case it's the results that matter not the means...
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 643	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:40:00 - [27] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: In case you didn't see my earlier post, I was in a Dom match with you, and you were holding the objective pretty tight, so I called in a DS to try and kill you, so I tried to jump out, killing myself in the process, and then the DS landed on you and some other guy :D You don't seem like a "new" forge gunner. Quote. I will keep quoting myself until you respond, Funk Acknowledged. You did kill me. I remember. Good suicide run I need to make a list of all the people who say I'm a scrub and add them to the watch list. I'd love to see how such people fare on the battlefield.