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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
802
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:38:00 -
[61] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun?
Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place.
I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread. You're completely missing my point. I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation. Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results. Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage. The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here. Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating. You are delusional. Regardless, I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you'll keep whining about "elitist PC players" who "cheat" by using extraneous hardware. 
Delusional, no. Mature, yes!
Am I "whining" no. I do just fine against you scrubs who need assistance from "extraneous hardware". I just know this game could be so much more without you fouling it up. So roll your eyes all you want. You are an immature scrub stat *****. I hope you get tired of this game really soon along with the rest of your elitist PC gamer contemporaries.
You do that lol, because we all know the truth:
You would suck at this game without it. |
DootDoot
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:51:00 -
[62] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun?
Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place.
I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread. You're completely missing my point. I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation. Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results. Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage. The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here. Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating. You are delusional. Regardless, I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you'll keep whining about "elitist PC players" who "cheat" by using extraneous hardware. Delusional, no. Mature, yes! Am I "whining" no. I do just fine against you scrubs who need assistance from "extraneous hardware". I just know this game could be so much more without you fouling it up. So roll your eyes all you want. You are an immature scrub stat *****. I hope you get tired of this game really soon along with the rest of your elitist PC gamer contemporaries. You do that lol, because we all know the truth: You would suck at this game without it.
Sounds like the same argument as : "I have computer generated aim and tracking system so all you so called "skilled" players are going to die to me now"
personally ill take someone using their own input from a mouse... or use a gaming monitor been used and sold for years.... Then someone who can't aim for them self's and think they should have something guiding their aim for it to be fair or for them to be competitive....
Your just a guy who wants to run and forge gun with AR's, think Forgers shouldn't use any tactical advantages, And should all be limited to a 30 year old means for control input...
And if everyone followed you set of "honor" the forge gun would be perfectly balanced...
Just short yellow bus worthy... |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
1755
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:15:00 -
[63] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:I'm enjoying all the "cheater!" accusations. I get them regularly in hatemails so I'm used to it. Regardless, this is a game where the goal is for you to die and for me to live, and I'll use every advantage I can get while you wallow in tears complaining it's not fair. The point of this discussion was this: Forge guns are too effective vs infantry.
If having friends, playing in a squad with you, and using the role of logi is "Cheating" then you can see how far people are stretching this to deny that forge gun's are OP as balls.
It's hilarious |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1322
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:22:00 -
[64] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat SheetScoreboardRound Two: Stat SheetScoreboardSo I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)
Forge isn't broken, the kb/m you use to play Dust is.
Also the ~3 OB's you got in those two matches likely gave you 30-40% of all your kills, and having a dedicated logibro (who is really good) pretty much makes any heavy into a Dust god. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
803
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:24:00 -
[65] - Quote
DootDoot wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun?
Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place.
I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread. You're completely missing my point. I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation. Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results. Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage. The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here. Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating. You are delusional. Regardless, I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you'll keep whining about "elitist PC players" who "cheat" by using extraneous hardware. Delusional, no. Mature, yes! Am I "whining" no. I do just fine against you scrubs who need assistance from "extraneous hardware". I just know this game could be so much more without you fouling it up. So roll your eyes all you want. You are an immature scrub stat *****. I hope you get tired of this game really soon along with the rest of your elitist PC gamer contemporaries. You do that lol, because we all know the truth: You would suck at this game without it. Sounds like the same argument as : "I have computer generated aim and tracking system so all you so called "skilled" players are going to die to me now" personally ill take someone using their own input from a mouse... or use a gaming monitor been used and sold for years.... Then someone who can't aim for them self's and think they should have something guiding their aim for it to be fair or for them to be competitive.... Your just a guy who wants to run and forge gun with AR's, think Forgers shouldn't use any tactical advantages, And should all be limited to a 30 year old means for control input... And if everyone followed your set of "honor" the forge gun would be perfectly balanced... Just short yellow bus worthy...
Lol even if I did use aim assist, the FG does not have it.
I really don't need AA to be good at DUST. I also don't need a Kb/M or special monitor.
Like I stated earlier, if you are good, you will be good without all of the extra hardware helping you. If you need the extra hardware just to get good scores and stroke your ego, you really are not good at all.
What makes someone a good player, is the fact that they can use the same controls as anybody else, with no extra hardware and still be good.
If you really think having a special monitor to change your reticule doesn't make a difference, you are delusional. They wouldn't make one if it had no effect.
If you really think using a Kb/M makes no difference, try a DS3 for a month. Specifically try it against players who you know use Kb/M. I can pick them out of a match every time. The difference is like seeing a kiwi in a basket of oranges.
I never said a Forge Gunner shouldn't use tactical advantages. I hardly equate camping on top of a 200m tower a tactical advantage. It is cowardly tbqh.
Your insinuation that people who use the DS3 are mentally handicapped just points more to your elitist PC gamer mentality, which is rubbish and is killing this game.
Get off your high horse. |
Funkmaster Whale
Daedali Inc.
636
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:25:00 -
[66] - Quote
Yeah clearly I'm able to go 60-0 (two games in a row) because my mouse just aims for me while the keyboard automates my movements and decides which situations I put myself in. Everything I do is a result of some piece of hardware or other excuse you can come up with.
Mature?
Quote:You do that lol, because we all know the truth:
You would suck at this game without it.
Yeah because mature people throw around ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the topic. Like I said, you are delusional. |
Inyanga
Strong-Arm
26
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:29:00 -
[67] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:Inyanga wrote:Any skill or credibility you had with your argument flew out the window. I move for a lock to this thread. A troll thread, obviously cheating, and no one who truly Forges ever gets those scores, unless it's an Academy Domination, and the cranberries just stood around looking at the flowers and friends. Tell me now, what is a "true" forge? Someone who runs around on the ground? I can post similar scores using an AR if you think I'm cheating. This wasn't academy. It was a regular Domination that I played in a 2-man squad. My Logibros dropped nanohives for me on some high-ground and I spent the match blasting people left and right with no remorse. Simple formula, really. Forge splash can 2 shot most suits. That is what is OP, not KB/M or custom crosshairs or what have you. People don't like getting their weapon called OP when someone finds a way to make it way too effective. The fact that I can sit 200m away and two shot suits in <4 seconds is pretty broke. That and I can kill pretty much anything in range...
What I meant by that was anyone who uses the weapon as intended. You adding a sight onto a forge changes it into a sniper rifle. You just made it a .50 rifle. If you wanted that, pick up a THALE. Plus, you flexed for a bunch of scrubs. Not exactly impressive. Had you fought a major corp, you most likely would have been knocked off of your perch. Had you been on the other team, you most likely wouldn't have done as well.
I'm not saying you don't have the skill to do this, but you give the weapon a bad name because you choose to change it's scheme. If anyone could use the same sight as you, as an in-game option, then yes, the weapon would need to be beat with a nerf bat so hard, the flaylock would look at it and say, "Dayum, son! The f*** happened to you!?"
The saddest part is, now, all the little try-hards will be putting stickers and tape all over their screens in an attempt to mimic you, making the weapon need a nerf, whereas before, a slight adjustment would have been enough. Not your fault, as you didn't invent this (just exploited), but floodgates have just been opened that cannot be closed...
I weep for the ashes of this game... |
Funkmaster Whale
Daedali Inc.
636
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:29:00 -
[68] - Quote
DJINN leukoplast wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat SheetScoreboardRound Two: Stat SheetScoreboardSo I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON) Forge isn't broken, the kb/m you use to play Dust is. Also the ~3 OB's you got in those two matches likely gave you 30-40% of all your kills, and having a dedicated logibro (who is really good) pretty much makes any heavy into a Dust god.
30-40% would mean 18-24 kills, and I only got 2 OBs. That would mean each OB would have gotten 9-12 kills which would be a feat in and of itself. And in truth I only got 3-4 kills per OB. Logibro dropped nanohives for me in the first 30 seconds of the game and went off to do his own thing for the rest of the match.
But go ahead, keep on making baseless justifications. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
803
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:29:00 -
[69] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:Yeah clearly I'm able to go 60-0 (two games in a row) because my mouse just aims for me while the keyboard automates my movements and decides which situations I put myself in. Everything I do is a result of some piece of hardware or other excuse you can come up with. Mature? Quote:You do that lol, because we all know the truth:
You would suck at this game without it. Yeah because mature people throw around ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the topic. Like I said, you are delusional.
Your use of latin does not lend anymore credence to your ridiculous premise.
Go 60/0 with a FG without the use of your special monitor, using a DS3, and without tower camping.
Go ahead, put yourself on a level playing field with every other player, and lets see you get those scores.
I'm waiting. |
Inyanga
Strong-Arm
26
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:36:00 -
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Stop arguing on a level beneath the both of you. I do support shrinking the splash radius somewhat, as it can be a little too forgiving at times, but the damage and range should stay. Anything beyond that, and you ruin the gun.
Please, we are adults. Let's argue like it! (IE: pick a time and place, and kick each other's butts) |
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Funkmaster Whale
Daedali Inc.
636
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:36:00 -
[71] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Yeah clearly I'm able to go 60-0 (two games in a row) because my mouse just aims for me while the keyboard automates my movements and decides which situations I put myself in. Everything I do is a result of some piece of hardware or other excuse you can come up with. Mature? Quote:You do that lol, because we all know the truth:
You would suck at this game without it. Yeah because mature people throw around ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the topic. Like I said, you are delusional. Your use of latin does not lend anymore credence to your ridiculous premise. Go 60/0 with a FG without the use of your special monitor, using a DS3, and without tower camping. Go ahead, put yourself on a level playing field with every other player, and lets see you get those scores. I'm waiting.
I'm sorry but war is never fair. The days of standing in neat lines and shooting at each other in syncopation died with the Imperial age. I will use whatever means I can to kill you and you will always claim I had an advantage because you lack the desire to overcome and instead choose to compensate with an extra dose of putting blame. Besides, why fix what isn't broken? Why would I give up what works (extremely) well?
You of course will say I lack the skill, and I of course will retort by calling you a scrub who can't adapt. And the cycle continues... |
Inyanga
Strong-Arm
26
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:44:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Yeah clearly I'm able to go 60-0 (two games in a row) because my mouse just aims for me while the keyboard automates my movements and decides which situations I put myself in. Everything I do is a result of some piece of hardware or other excuse you can come up with. Mature? Quote:You do that lol, because we all know the truth:
You would suck at this game without it. Yeah because mature people throw around ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the topic. Like I said, you are delusional. Your use of latin does not lend anymore credence to your ridiculous premise. Go 60/0 with a FG without the use of your special monitor, using a DS3, and without tower camping. Go ahead, put yourself on a level playing field with every other player, and lets see you get those scores. I'm waiting. I'm sorry but war is never fair. The days of standing in neat lines and shooting at each other in syncopation died with the Imperial age. I will use whatever means I can to kill you and you will always claim I had an advantage because you lack the desire to overcome and instead choose to compensate with an extra dose of putting blame. Besides, why fix what isn't broken? Why would I give up what works (extremely) well? You of course will say I lack the skill, and I of course will retort by calling you a scrub who can't adapt. And the cycle continues...
Therefore, stop arguing. Break the cycle if you really are better than that...
Same to Jaraiya.
You'll get this thread locked that way. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
150
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:
And I was getting sniped at the entire time in those matches. 2x Complex Shield Regulators and Repping nanohives allows me to stay alive almost indefinitely unless someone busts out a Thale's and manages to get headshots back to back.
Hmm....
curious cat wonders how well a plasma cannon would have done in that situation.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
803
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:54:00 -
[74] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Yeah clearly I'm able to go 60-0 (two games in a row) because my mouse just aims for me while the keyboard automates my movements and decides which situations I put myself in. Everything I do is a result of some piece of hardware or other excuse you can come up with. Mature? Quote:You do that lol, because we all know the truth:
You would suck at this game without it. Yeah because mature people throw around ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the topic. Like I said, you are delusional. Your use of latin does not lend anymore credence to your ridiculous premise. Go 60/0 with a FG without the use of your special monitor, using a DS3, and without tower camping. Go ahead, put yourself on a level playing field with every other player, and lets see you get those scores. I'm waiting. I'm sorry but war is never fair. The days of standing in neat lines and shooting at each other in syncopation died with the Imperial age. I will use whatever means I can to kill you and you will always claim I had an advantage because you lack the desire to overcome and instead choose to compensate with an extra dose of putting blame. Besides, why fix what isn't broken? Why would I give up what works (extremely) well? You of course will say I lack the skill, and I of course will retort by calling you a scrub who can't adapt. And the cycle continues...
I love this "war is never fair" argument. It is so pathetic it's funny.
This is a video game! It is not real life.
The only thing I lack the desire to do is spend a small fortune in electronic gaming hardware just to give me an advantage over my opponent.
I do say you lack the skill. You say I'm a scrub because I don't spend a bunch of money on gaming hardware to get an unfair advantage lol.
I say you are a scrub because you can't put yourself on a level playing field and still be able to call yourself good.
Adapting does not equate to buying extra hardware because you are a crap player without it. Adapting means using what's in the box to the best of your ability.
What's in the box:
PS3, DS3 controller, DUST 514
What isn't broken:
Forge Gun
What is broken:
Kb/M support in a console game, players using special hardware to get an obviously large advantage over their opponent, and to circumnavigate built in game mechanics. (forge gun reticule)
BTW Isn't that thing against the EULA?
Quote:A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices:
You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
Your use of the gaming monitor which uses software to change the target reticule of the Forge Gun constitutes a violation of this part of the EULA.
Don't you feel proud of yourself now? |
Nelo Angel0
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
169
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:03:00 -
[75] - Quote
My "fixes" to the FG (not that i believe it needs any but eh noobs be mad):
-Decrease the range and increase DD
-Decrease splash
-increase toll taken on nanohives
Right now that's the most I can think of. However people can't simply decrease the splash/range and lower the DD as well that would be down right stupid. However the most practical thing to do would be the third option. The reason being the MAIN problem people tend to have with FGs is how much ammo they get back from nanohives which prolongs their ability to shoot infantry/vehicles. However, making it so that nanohives last a shorter amount of time when FGs take ammo from it and making it so that FG ammo is replenished slower makes the FG a more tactical weapon.
At least that's what i believe so far. |
DootDoot
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:14:00 -
[76] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:
Delusional, no. Mature, yes!
Am I "whining" no. I do just fine against you scrubs who need assistance from "extraneous hardware". I just know this game could be so much more without you fouling it up. So roll your eyes all you want. You are an immature scrub stat *****. I hope you get tired of this game really soon along with the rest of your elitist PC gamer contemporaries.
You do that lol, because we all know the truth:
You would suck at this game without it.
dootdoot wrote:
Sounds like the same argument as : "I have computer generated aim and tracking system so all you so called "skilled" players are going to die to me now"
personally ill take someone using their own input from a mouse... or use a gaming monitor been used and sold for years.... Then someone who can't aim for them self's and think they should have something guiding their aim for it to be fair or for them to be competitive....
Your just a guy who wants to run and forge gun with AR's, think Forgers shouldn't use any tactical advantages, And should all be limited to a 30 year old means for control input...
And if everyone followed your set of "honor" the forge gun would be perfectly balanced...
Just short yellow bus worthy...
Master Jaraiya wrote:Lol even if I did use aim assist, the FG does not have it.
I really don't need AA to be good at DUST. I also don't need a Kb/M or special monitor.
Like I stated earlier, if you are good, you will be good without all of the extra hardware helping you. If you need the extra hardware just to get good scores and stroke your ego, you really are not good at all.
What makes someone a good player, is the fact that they can use the same controls as anybody else, with no extra hardware and still be good.
If you really think having a special monitor to change your reticule doesn't make a difference, you are delusional. They wouldn't make one if it had no effect.
If you really think using a Kb/M makes no difference, try a DS3 for a month. Specifically try it against players who you know use Kb/M. I can pick them out of a match every time. The difference is like seeing a kiwi in a basket of oranges.
I never said a Forge Gunner shouldn't use tactical advantages. I hardly equate camping on top of a 200m tower a tactical advantage. It is cowardly tbqh.
Your insinuation that people who use the DS3 are mentally handicapped just points more to your elitist PC gamer mentality, which is rubbish and is killing this game.
Get off your high horse.
You can pick out kb/m users? because i know most of the elite in this game couldn't tell you one way or another...
Your argument makes about as much sense as the I am for AA argument...
And hardware is gaming... get over it... who has the biggest monitor.. who has the racing wheel.... Who has the better headphones... who has the solid state drive... If you bought a ps3 so that you wouldn't have to invest into your gaming experience.. welcome to console's actually being more then a casual gamers device....
If you had to change from ds3 to mouse because you couldn't move and track your targets at the same time... without going to mouse and keyboard... then claim hes cheating cuz he used the same..
Your just in denial and making up delusional retort's thinking that the FG is only OP because they are using dishonorable and cowardly tactics.. and should be running and gunning with it.
That goes for you too snipers!!! only running gunning and quick-scoping allowed now! |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
976
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:22:00 -
[77] - Quote
Nelo Angel0 wrote:My "fixes" to the FG (not that i believe it needs any but eh noobs be mad):
-Decrease the range and increase DD
-Decrease splash
-increase toll taken on nanohives
Right now that's the most I can think of. However people can't simply decrease the splash/range and lower the DD as well that would be down right stupid. However the most practical thing to do would be the third option. The reason being the MAIN problem people tend to have with FGs is how much ammo they get back from nanohives which prolongs their ability to shoot infantry/vehicles. However, making it so that nanohives last a shorter amount of time when FGs take ammo from it and making it so that FG ammo is replenished slower makes the FG a more tactical weapon.
At least that's what i believe so far.
So if it doesn't need changes according to you, then why suggest them?
Especially since your suggestions make no sense.
If you reduce the range, you make it much more difficult to do what it is suppossed to do, which is AV work.
If you increase direct damage, you risk making it OP vs tanks, which are supposed to be the primary target. They are already OP vs dropships, so adding more DD would be no good.
Forget the toll on hives, because any reasonable PC setup involves a whole fittings worth of hives, just for the fatties.
No, the big difference is to severely cut the splash range and mildly cut the splash damage. This allows the FG to still be effective in its primary role, while limiting its effectiveness versus infantry. If someone can get a 3 pack of splashes, they deserve to kill infantry, and if they get a direct hit, they absolutely should kill any suit they hit.
What would reduce the QQ is to limit the ability of the FG to pump box after box of ammo onto an objective and kill anyone in a 6m circle. That is why it gets slagged. Not because it is OP versus vehicles(other than poor, poor dropships). |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
804
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:27:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:You can pick out kb/m users? because i know most of the elite in this game couldn't tell you one way or another... Your argument makes about as much sense as the I am for AA argument... And hardware is gaming... get over it... who has the biggest monitor.. who has the racing wheel.... Who has the better headphones... who has the solid state drive... If you bought a ps3 so that you wouldn't have to invest into your gaming experience.. welcome to console's actually being more then a casual gamers device.... If you had to change from ds3 to mouse because you couldn't move and track your targets at the same time... without going to mouse and keyboard... then claim hes cheating cuz he used the same.. Your just in denial and making up delusional retort's thinking that the FG is only OP because they are using dishonorable and cowardly tactics.. and should be running and gunning with it. That goes for you too snipers!!! only running gunning and quick-scoping allowed now!
Yes, I can actually. It really is very easy to tell. Kb/M users do not slow down when changing directions during strafing. Very easy to tell. I guess the "elite" are just not that observant.
AA honestly doesn't bother me. My K/D R has steadily been climbing since I was able to max out all of my core skills back in May. Nothing much has changed since it's reintroduction in 1.4.
As I said, this may be true in PC, but not in console gaming.
Quote:If you bought a ps3 so that you wouldn't have to invest into your gaming experience.. welcome to console's actually being more then a casual gamers device....
The above statement makes absolutely no sense at all.
One buys a console, plugs it into his frontroom TV, pulls out the DS3 Control Pad, and begins to have casual fun playing video games. Console is the definition of the casual gaming device. As stated previously, a handful of hardcore competitive gamers who purchase a console and all the bells and whistles, special monitors, and any other advantageous piece of equipment to go with it, will not change this simple fact.
In denial about what?
I stated a simple challenge to the OP, and anyone else for that matter:
Achieve these types of scores using the default PS3 control, a standard TV, similar to one you would see in any modern family room, without exploiting the poorly designed aspects of battle environments.
Until someone can do this, it is you who is in denial. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
513
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:29:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat SheetScoreboardRound Two: Stat SheetScoreboardSo I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)
How many of these kills are orbitals? |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
513
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:31:00 -
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FG are fine. Assault FG are broken. Topic beaten to the pulp. CCP will never fix it though. |
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DootDoot
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:34:00 -
[81] - Quote
The Attorney General wrote:Nelo Angel0 wrote:My "fixes" to the FG (not that i believe it needs any but eh noobs be mad):
-Decrease the range and increase DD
-Decrease splash
-increase toll taken on nanohives
Right now that's the most I can think of. However people can't simply decrease the splash/range and lower the DD as well that would be down right stupid. However the most practical thing to do would be the third option. The reason being the MAIN problem people tend to have with FGs is how much ammo they get back from nanohives which prolongs their ability to shoot infantry/vehicles. However, making it so that nanohives last a shorter amount of time when FGs take ammo from it and making it so that FG ammo is replenished slower makes the FG a more tactical weapon.
At least that's what i believe so far. So if it doesn't need changes according to you, then why suggest them? Especially since your suggestions make no sense. If you reduce the range, you make it much more difficult to do what it is suppossed to do, which is AV work. If you increase direct damage, you risk making it OP vs tanks, which are supposed to be the primary target. They are already OP vs dropships, so adding more DD would be no good. Forget the toll on hives, because any reasonable PC setup involves a whole fittings worth of hives, just for the fatties. No, the big difference is to severely cut the splash range and mildly cut the splash damage. This allows the FG to still be effective in its primary role, while limiting its effectiveness versus infantry. If someone can get a 3 pack of splashes, they deserve to kill infantry, and if they get a direct hit, they absolutely should kill any suit they hit. What would reduce the QQ is to limit the ability of the FG to pump box after box of ammo onto an objective and kill anyone in a 6m circle. That is why it gets slagged. Not because it is OP versus vehicles(other than poor, poor dropships).
One shotting targets in this game causes huge problems... unless its a very restricted to what can do it. Thales... for example.. Gastun's sure...
But one shotting high health targets even a scout makes for an issue in How Dust is to preform.
1 shot kill you no matter what weapons are what kill's the concept of this game.
And assists not being a tracked player Stat. Creates this mentality of kill's are considered more valuable then the assist. Then the invalidation of the system when you are rewarded for assists you don't deserve. |
Slag Emberforge
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:52:00 -
[82] - Quote
Well that escalated quickly.
OPs claim is slightly overblown. But forge gunning in optimum conditions inducing hives and a high strategic position is an effective setup.
His argument is mitigated by a few factors -- first off he is using a kb/m which personally I really have no idea why you would let ds3 and kbm players compete in a shared environment is just stupid. Secondly even beyond this clear and obvious advantage he is using the reticle modification which is not only not available to PS3 players but also to the common PC player as well. Thirdly is an issue not listed, ever die while using a FG and the only remaining spawn is under attack? It's not hard folks, with almost any weapon you will die before you can even charge one shot.
FG is deadly with precision accuracy and at elevation, on the ground in active combat is certainly less so than almost any other primary weapon. It's a min max weapon in the same way shotguns are, there is a time and a place for them to shine and multiple others where they just suck.
TL;DR in ideal situations all weapons can be thought of OP especially when a weapon is designed to have a nitch role, and you play to that role. |
Canaan Knute
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:03:00 -
[83] - Quote
The Attorney General wrote:What would reduce the QQ is to limit the ability of the FG to pump box after box of ammo onto an objective and kill anyone in a 6m circle. There is no forge gun in the game with a blast radius of 6 meters. The most you can get is 3. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1649
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:04:00 -
[84] - Quote
thanks... threads proves forges are broken.
/GG |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
805
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:05:00 -
[85] - Quote
Canaan Knute wrote:The Attorney General wrote:What would reduce the QQ is to limit the ability of the FG to pump box after box of ammo onto an objective and kill anyone in a 6m circle. There is no forge gun in the game with a blast radius of 6 meters. The most you can get is 3.
Radius is the point from the center of a circle to the edge.
Radius of 3 = diameter of 6
Just to clear that up. |
Canaan Knute
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:10:00 -
[86] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:Radius is the point from the center of a circle to the edge.
Radius of 3 = diameter of 6
Just to clear that up. Well, that was stupid of me. Guess that's what happens when you don't think. :) |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
578
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:21:00 -
[87] - Quote
First off splashnon FG is a little too much, A LITTLE.
Secondly your telling me dust is easy mode
when you have shelled out money for superior hardware, that gives you a physical tactical advantage?
I mean there is nothing wrong with it, but its like winning a knife fight with a hand and a half sword!! |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1168
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:26:00 -
[88] - Quote
THE FORGE GUN WAS ALREADY NERFED.
It has a blue glow you can see 500mts away and some white light weird flies taht reveal your position even through walls.
I mean if you cant kill a forgegunnes is becasue hes Camping on top of a very high roof.
This is broken maps, not broken weapon.... |
Enderr Wigginn
Ancient Exiles
157
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:29:00 -
[89] - Quote
Somethings a little fishy that both matches where against OSCURA VERDAD and their players had 41 deaths just in their squad that I can see. hmmmmmmmmmmm |
Funkmaster Whale
Daedali Inc.
638
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:33:00 -
[90] - Quote
You guys are talking about shelling money out for a monitor as if I spent thousands on hardware. I bought this monitor years ago and it probably cost less than your 52" HDTV. I use the monitor for both PS3 and PC gaming, so I in fact probably spent less. My mouse and keyboard I've had for years and I use no converter.
Whatever, I'm done with this thread and the petty accusations. See you on the battlefield.
Some other score sheets:
48-0 with AR
50-0 with AR
50-0 with AR (Against full Molon Labe squad)
All with no artificial crosshair. Just good ol KB/M and a gun. Let the whining commence! |
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