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Funkmaster Whale
Daedali Inc.
631
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:30:00 -
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Son Down wrote:If you get paid to play video games, it pretty much means you have never, are currently not, and will never see female genitalia during your natural born life. Hahaha, typical response. My girlfriend thought it was cute that I got paid to do what I like. I don't anymore, obviously, nor was jt my main job. I had a local clan that would compete for typically <$1000 in cash or prizes every now and then. This was during high school days when I had nothing better to do.
I find it hilarious people equate being good at video games to not having any social skills. It may be true in some cases, but that's likely due to confirmation bias. If you think that girls are turned off by video games, then you are probably the one that hasn't had much experience with them. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
149
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:43:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:.... I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are.
(Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)
yup yup.
Either the damage, or the range, needs to go. It's a heavy weapon(?), so clearly the damage is appropriate. Thus, the range badly needs to be nerfed.
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Son Down
SamsClub
80
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:46:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Son Down wrote:If you get paid to play video games, it pretty much means you have never, are currently not, and will never see female genitalia during your natural born life. Hahaha, typical response. My girlfriend thought it was cute that I got paid to do what I like. I don't anymore, obviously, nor was jt my main job. I had a local clan that would compete for typically <$1000 in cash or prizes every now and then. This was during high school days when I had nothing better to do. I find it hilarious people equate being good at video games to not having any social skills. It may be true in some cases, but that's likely due to confirmation bias. If you think that girls are turned off by video games, then you are probably the one that hasn't had much experience with them.
I like you....but you're a dork. I mean that in a bully/nerd way.
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
87
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:01:00 -
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Did you literally left that crosshair sticker on to troll??
Or you forgot to take it off because it's already part of the TV?
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Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
25
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:14:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:Video or it didn't happen. Why should we trust that your weren't just boosting the whole match. I'm a dedicated forge gunner and I know for a fact that even if you tower forge snipe, a regular sniper can and will shut you down. So that 60-0 is probably cheating.
I actually doubt he's lying. I've played on many domination matches and forged from towers. And sometimes there are no snipers whatsoever to take you off those high spots.
This is a random match with random players so imbalances can happen. The highest I've ever gotten was probably around the 50's on a domination match running with a majority of corp members and decent blueberries. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
957
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:20:00 -
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Actually, I just looked at the stats photos, and clearly, you did not have a good sniper or two on the other team. 3200 damage received is pathetically low, which explains why you were able to get that many kills.
I would also think that playing Dom on a Skim Junction map is probably the most ideal setup for a forger, because you can look right down on the objective and rain down hell. Given that you were facing a corp I have never even heard of, it is most likely that they bunched up and kept trying to horde the objective, making them ideal targets for the fg.
So the game is a combination of great map for the task, enemies dumb enough to not counter you, and also dumb enough to keep trying instead of changing strategy.
Perfect storm really.
It still serves as a good example for reducing the splash radius. |
Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
25
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:25:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Jake Diesel wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat SheetScoreboardRound Two: Stat SheetScoreboardSo I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON) Try those numbers again without your personal bodyguard/medic and see what numbers you get. No nanohives and no medic, those numbers will drop significantly. Because not even a mouse can OHK every moving target. I have a Logi fit that I regularly use to stock myself prior to setting up with a FG. Granted, it delays me about ~2 minutes in getting set up but I can certainly deal without a Logi. Having one just saves me time is all.
Oh I hear ya. That would work but your number would probably drop to around 50 or so. And wowzers, you've got a custom monitor that can slap on custom crosshairs? And I thought I've heard everything. That's totally new to me. I wonder if they still make monitors with that feature.
And yes, CCP screwed DS3 users when they allowed mouse use. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
802
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:38:00 -
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So you not only use a Kb/M setup giving you an aiming/tracking advantage, but you also use a special monitor which allows you to change your target reticule to what ever you like it to be?
The FG Reticule is designed the way it is in order to limit the capabilities of the FG. You can't change it to a more precise reticule then call the FG OP. You should not be able to use hardware which gives you such an advantage. This is right there with using a turbo DS3 with the TAC AR.
This needs to end now.
Do you people realize what you are doing to this game? What new player wants to get stomped by a bunch of PC gamers with elitist attitudes? Go back to PC gaming. Seriously, you people are wrecking this games player base. Then, who comes to the forums crying because player numbers are constantly falling off? The same assholes who are killing this game with their elitist competitive PC gamer attitudes.
Using hardware to gain an advantage on a console game does not make you a better player. Why can't you simply enjoy playing the game to have fun? If you are good, you would be good without using these types of things to give you an advantage, and you would not drive away other players.
Consoles are, always have been, and always will be a casual gaming platform. Go back to your PCs with your overcompensating competitive elitist gamer mentality.
Using hardware to gain an advantage is cheating, plain and simple. |
DootDoot
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:08:00 -
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The forges who say they are Main forge gunners and couldn't do it so he must be cheating...
You are the people who are messing this game up.
Skilled players exist in the FPS world.... people who literally are just better then you... get over it. That doesn't make what they do OP..... But when Skilled players come in droves and tell you a Feature or a gun is broken and is purely a tool for them to Abuse and get massive results from....
Then you get a bunch of idiots saying the opposite, And because they can't get similar results they are "cheaing" no. your just bad and hes better.... And your in Denial even with proof in your face... just like AA...
If you seriously think a Sharpie and 15 seconds of your time is "cheating" you people really need to stop playing video games... go play backgammon or something.
CCP isn't after a game anymore that reflects your personal skill at FPS's... They have installed countless skill gap compressor's. Weapons that one shot you no matter how good your are or what precautions you take, Installed AA that tracks sprinting jumping targets as if they where moving slow, tweaked hit boxes so you are hitting people you have no right to. Allowed endless grenade spamming to be the Fad again... Tweaked Blast radius's on AOE weapons so more people are taking damage more of the time.
Don't anyone of you guys for a second think CCP did this by accident... This was on purpose.... |
Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
27
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:30:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Actually, I just looked at the stats photos, and clearly, you did not have a good sniper or two on the other team. 3200 damage received is pathetically low, which explains why you were able to get that many kills.
I would also think that playing Dom on a Skim Junction map is probably the most ideal setup for a forger, because you can look right down on the objective and rain down hell. Given that you were facing a corp I have never even heard of, it is most likely that they bunched up and kept trying to horde the objective, making them ideal targets for the fg.
So the game is a combination of great map for the task, enemies dumb enough to not counter you, and also dumb enough to keep trying instead of changing strategy.
Perfect storm really.
It still serves as a good example for reducing the splash radius.
A perfect storm does not justify a weapon as OP. Either the map was designed to let this happen, or the map designer didn't know this could happen. |
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Funkmaster Whale
Daedali Inc.
634
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:35:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote: I forgot to take it off. Not like it would matter anyway. The crosshair is there as a visual cue. In no way shape or form does it actually aim for me. That's entirely me. Most good forge gunners recognize the center of the crosshair without it anyway. Alas, I am not a good forge gunner; I simply copied someone else's spot and let loose.
Using a forge gun is as simple as point and shoot and knowing the relation between charge time, travel time, and target tracking. After about an hour it becomes muscle memory and you start 1-2 shotting everyone who's not under cover. What's left just comes down to dodging snipers/other forge guns.
I just can't wait until I get Rapid Reload skilled into |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
639
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:38:00 -
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Its functioning as an AV weapon AND one of the best AI weapons. nerf nerf nerf nerf... |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1901
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:39:00 -
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People don't get over the top defensive
Funk has a good point. It is an easy weapon to use, combined with the fact it can OHK and has splash should you miss. It's AV and Anti Infantry, it's anti materiel.
I'm thinking we shrink the overall projectile, change the "Big Blue Ball of Death" to "The Small Blue Ball of Death". Shrink splash, etc. Shrink the weapon and that hopefully solves it. |
DootDoot
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:45:00 -
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Jake Diesel wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Jake Diesel wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat SheetScoreboardRound Two: Stat SheetScoreboardSo I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON) Try those numbers again without your personal bodyguard/medic and see what numbers you get. No nanohives and no medic, those numbers will drop significantly. Because not even a mouse can OHK every moving target. I have a Logi fit that I regularly use to stock myself prior to setting up with a FG. Granted, it delays me about ~2 minutes in getting set up but I can certainly deal without a Logi. Having one just saves me time is all. Oh I hear ya. That would work but your number would probably drop to around 50 or so. And wowzers, you've got a custom monitor that can slap on custom crosshairs? And I thought I've heard everything. That's totally new to me. I wonder if they still make monitors with that feature. And yes, CCP screwed DS3 users when they allowed mouse use.
You seriously need to stop about the KB/M argument because your being stupid...... If people will buy monitor's for custom crosshair's and custom mice and gamepad's... They will buy a KB/M converter for the PS3 and be able to use the Aimbot WITH keyboard and mouse... a converter is 40 bux cheap end...
Your just stuck in the past ps2 mentality where you think Keyboard and mouse users arent in almost every consol game you play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1wK00M720Y
Aim assist is only another tool to be abused by Pro FPS players and people who know better... its not a tool to make noobs relevant. or help ds3 compete against keyboard which "it never had a problem with before" from any experienced ds3 users mouth that plays DUST.
its something that drastically ruins any player based skill... and put's it in the hands of a computer to react and do a majority of the aiming for you, aslong as your looking in the right direction. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
802
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:53:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:The forges who say they are Main forge gunners and couldn't do it so he must be cheating...
You are the people who are messing this game up.
Skilled players exist in the FPS world.... people who literally are just better then you... get over it. That doesn't make what they do OP..... But when Skilled players come in droves and tell you a Feature or a gun is broken and is purely a tool for them to Abuse and get massive results from....
Then you get a bunch of idiots saying the opposite, And because they can't get similar results they are "cheaing" no. your just bad and hes better.... And your in Denial even with proof in your face... just like AA...
If you seriously think a Sharpie and 15 seconds of your time is "cheating" you people really need to stop playing video games... go play backgammon or something.
CCP isn't after a game anymore that reflects your personal skill at FPS's... They have installed countless skill gap compressor's. Weapons that one shot you no matter how good your are or what precautions you take, Installed AA that tracks sprinting jumping targets as if they where moving slow, tweaked hit boxes so you are hitting people you have no right to. Allowed endless grenade spamming to be the Fad again... Tweaked Blast radius's on AOE weapons so more people are taking damage more of the time.
Don't anyone of you guys for a second think CCP did this by accident... This was on purpose.... Skilled players are one thing, people who use hardware to gain an advantage then say something is OP is something totally different.
On top of using hardware to have an advantage, he was tower FG sniping. I personally do not see the fun in doing this. It is a boring way to play, unless you get enjoyment from griefing n00bs, in which case you have other issues besides being a cheater/exploiter at video games. (cheating by using hardware to get an advantage, and exploiting by using the games lack of insight in it's map design to get the upperhand)
Also, I don't know if your comment is directed toward me, but I suspect that it is. I am not a dedicated Forge Gunner, but I do use the FG. I do get good scores with it, and am not in anyway jealous of the OP's scores he got by cheating.
What many people in this game fail to realize is that their selfish stat whoring actions have a huge impact in this game. You fail to realize that you are not in an extremely competitive gaming environment. If you would stop to consider the impact your actions had on the game in general, you would tone this competitiveness down a few notches.
Rule of thumb: Just because one can do something doesn't mean one should.
Think about the negative impact something may have on the game before you try to use it to get an unfair advantage.
Console games, as I stated before are now, have always been, and always will be a casual gaming platform. If the majority of the desired playerbase approaches DUST from a casual point of view (which they do, because it is a console game) and are not able to at least feel like they are doing halfway decent in the game because of highly competitive stat whoring elitist PC gamers, they will simply not play the game.
The elitist PC gamer mentality, and using hardware for an advantage is counterproductive to building DUST's player base, and really needs to end. |
Funkmaster Whale
Daedali Inc.
634
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:08:00 -
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So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun?
Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place.
I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread. |
DootDoot
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:08:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:DootDoot wrote:The forges who say they are Main forge gunners and couldn't do it so he must be cheating...
You are the people who are messing this game up.
Skilled players exist in the FPS world.... people who literally are just better then you... get over it. That doesn't make what they do OP..... But when Skilled players come in droves and tell you a Feature or a gun is broken and is purely a tool for them to Abuse and get massive results from....
Then you get a bunch of idiots saying the opposite, And because they can't get similar results they are "cheaing" no. your just bad and hes better.... And your in Denial even with proof in your face... just like AA...
If you seriously think a Sharpie and 15 seconds of your time is "cheating" you people really need to stop playing video games... go play backgammon or something.
CCP isn't after a game anymore that reflects your personal skill at FPS's... They have installed countless skill gap compressor's. Weapons that one shot you no matter how good your are or what precautions you take, Installed AA that tracks sprinting jumping targets as if they where moving slow, tweaked hit boxes so you are hitting people you have no right to. Allowed endless grenade spamming to be the Fad again... Tweaked Blast radius's on AOE weapons so more people are taking damage more of the time.
Don't anyone of you guys for a second think CCP did this by accident... This was on purpose.... Skilled players are one thing, people who use hardware to gain an advantage then say something is OP is something totally different. On top of using hardware to have an advantage, he was tower FG sniping. I personally do not see the fun in doing this. It is a boring way to play, unless you get enjoyment from griefing n00bs, in which case you have other issues besides being a cheater/exploiter at video games. (cheating by using hardware to get an advantage, and exploiting by using the games lack of insight in it's map design to get the upperhand) Also, I don't know if your comment is directed toward me, but I suspect that it is. I am not a dedicated Forge Gunner, but I do use the FG. I do get good scores with it, and am not in anyway jealous of the OP's scores he got by cheating. What many people in this game fail to realize is that their selfish stat whoring actions have a huge impact in this game. You fail to realize that you are not in an extremely competitive gaming environment. If you would stop to consider the impact your actions had on the game in general, you would tone this competitiveness down a few notches. Rule of thumb: Just because one can do something doesn't mean one should.Think about the negative impact something may have on the game before you try to use it to get an unfair advantage. Console games, as I stated before are now, have always been, and always will be a casual gaming platform. If the majority of the desired playerbase approaches DUST from a casual point of view (which they do, because it is a console game) and are not able to at least feel like they are doing halfway decent in the game because of highly competitive stat whoring elitist PC gamers, they will simply not play the game. The elitist PC gamer mentality, and using hardware for an advantage is counterproductive to building DUST's player base, and really needs to end.
Hardware advantage is the name of gaming.... the better monitor the better game pad... the better sound... that point is moot... gaming monitor's with custom crosshair's have been sold by sony for years....
And the consol is a casual gaming device? your serious?
As far as exploiting advantages in the game to benefit you? and you shouldn't because you should think of how other people feel? your serious about that too? this is your first FPS? that is the developers job they actually make a living dealing with that... When i screw up at my job repeatedly... i would assume to get fired or replaced...
The fact that you think its an elitist PC gamer attitude that drives players to invest money into their gaming experience with Aurum packages at the 100 dollar range... Is just mind boggling.. Your the person stuck in the past who thinks gaming platforms should only be playable with one input device.....
Keyboard and mouse are on the way out they aren't some futuristic hardware design come to obsolete the game pad They are already being replaced.. and soon your game input will literally be at your end of your imagination...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3b4w749Tud8
Note hes playing a FPS.... |
oso tiburon
The Generals EoN.
196
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:14:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:Video or it didn't happen. Why should we trust that your weren't just boosting the whole match. I'm a dedicated forge gunner and I know for a fact that even if you tower forge snipe, a regular sniper can and will shut you down. So that 60-0 is probably cheating. idk me and my old corp mate reaper of dust have gone 40+ and 0 a few times but yea a sniper will usualy put a dampner on things ... god damn thales |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4593
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:15:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat SheetScoreboardRound Two: Stat SheetScoreboardSo I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)
Shield tanks are broken |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
802
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:33:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Hardware advantage is the name of gaming.... the better monitor the better game pad... the better sound... that point is moot... gaming monitor's with custom crosshair's have been sold by sony for years.... And the consol is a casual gaming device? your serious? As far as exploiting advantages in the game to benefit you? and you shouldn't because you should think of how other people feel? your serious about that too? this is your first FPS? that is the developers job they actually make a living dealing with that... When i screw up at my job repeatedly... i would assume to get fired or replaced... The fact that you think its an elitist PC gamer attitude that drives players to invest money into their gaming experience with Aurum packages at the 100 dollar range... Is just mind boggling.. Your the person stuck in the past who thinks gaming platforms should only be playable with one input device..... Keyboard and mouse are on the way out they aren't some futuristic hardware design come to obsolete the game pad They are already being replaced.. and soon your game input will literally be at your end of your imagination... https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3b4w749Tud8Note hes playing a FPS....
Hardware advantage may be where it's at for PC gaming, but it is far removed from the console world. Most people who use a console do it in their frontroom, sitting on their couch. This is casual gaming. They use a normal flatscreen Television, nothing special, with a normal control pad. Most households also have a basic run-of-the-mill surround sound, nothing fancy. My point is perfectly valid.
Yes, I'm perfectly serious, the console is a casual gaming platform. Just because a handful of competitive gamers go out and buy a console with all of the bells and whistles so that they can stroke their Epeen, doesn't change that fact.
No, it isn't my first FPS. The level of immaturity displayed in this game is ridiculous. I'm not saying you should let the other players kill you so they can feel good, I'm saying think of the game as a whole. It is still in it's infancy, but the overly competitive players coming to the casual console are destroying it while it has yet to really take off.
Think about growing the game more than stroking your fragile egos.
Just think about how many potential players we would have now if Protostomping in Pubs was never a thing. It is not fun to repeatedly get rotfl stomped for several months in every single match you play. I'm sorry to break it to you (know I'm not) but, fun is the most important thing for casual gamers (read console players). If the gamer isn't having fun, they will go to a game where they can. This is what has happened in DUST, simply because the elitist gamer crowd has an overwhelming compulsive need to try to make themselves feel good by doing everything and anything they can to boost their stats.
Did I say anything about Aurum packages? No I didn't. It is, however the elitist PC gamer mentality which drives players to spend hundreds of dollars on special electronics to gain an upper hand over the casual gamer, just to stroke their egos. It's ridiculous and appalling tbqh.
From your link:
Quote:Leap Motion represents an entirely new way to interact with your computers. It's more accurate than a mouse, as reliable as a keyboard and more sensitive than a touchscreen. For the first time, you can control a computer in three dimensions with your natural hand and finger movements
Note he's playing an FPS on PC not console...
I added emphasis on terms which are common in the world of PC, but unheard of in the world of console gaming. New computer technology such as this has no place in the console world as of now and likely won't for quite some time Console gaming is a casual gamer platform, and always will be.
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Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
27
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:34:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Jake Diesel wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Jake Diesel wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat SheetScoreboardRound Two: Stat SheetScoreboardSo I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON) Try those numbers again without your personal bodyguard/medic and see what numbers you get. No nanohives and no medic, those numbers will drop significantly. Because not even a mouse can OHK every moving target. I have a Logi fit that I regularly use to stock myself prior to setting up with a FG. Granted, it delays me about ~2 minutes in getting set up but I can certainly deal without a Logi. Having one just saves me time is all. Oh I hear ya. That would work but your number would probably drop to around 50 or so. And wowzers, you've got a custom monitor that can slap on custom crosshairs? And I thought I've heard everything. That's totally new to me. I wonder if they still make monitors with that feature. And yes, CCP screwed DS3 users when they allowed mouse use. You seriously need to stop about the KB/M argument because your being stupid...... If people will buy monitor's for custom crosshair's and custom mice and gamepad's... They will buy a KB/M converter for the PS3 and be able to use the Aimbot WITH keyboard and mouse... a converter is 40 bux cheap end... Your just stuck in the past ps2 mentality where you think Keyboard and mouse users arent in almost every consol game you play. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1wK00M720YAim assist is only another tool to be abused by Pro FPS players and people who know better... its not a tool to make noobs relevant. or help ds3 compete against keyboard which "it never had a problem with before" from any experienced ds3 users mouth that plays DUST. its something that drastically ruins any player based skill... and put's it in the hands of a computer to react and do a majority of the aiming for you, aslong as your looking in the right direction.
First of all, you're making yourself sound like an @$$ for calling me stupid when I never even targeted you for derogatory comments.
I've used the DS3 prior to Uprising for my forge gun and only recently switched to mouse about a month ago. I know what the DS3 limitations are. I prefer DS3 for console games, but after countless run-ins with players who run circle around you while keeping their bead on target, I switched to mouse. So no, I am not knowledgeable on all of those mods, converters, and such because I don't hunt them down. Please refrain yourself from derogatory comments on replies to me.
Thank you. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
802
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:43:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun?
Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place.
I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread.
You're completely missing my point.
I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed.
You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation.
Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results.
Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage.
The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here.
Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating.
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Funkmaster Whale
Daedali Inc.
634
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:59:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun?
Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place.
I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread. You're completely missing my point. I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation. Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results. Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage. The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here. Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating. You are delusional.
Regardless, I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you'll keep whining about "elitist PC players" who "cheat" by using extraneous hardware.
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itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX. Top Men.
248
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:10:00 -
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I noticed that when a forge gun charges there's like a couple stars above their head in front of them. |
DootDoot
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:11:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:You seriously need to stop about the KB/M argument because your being stupid...... If people will buy monitor's for custom crosshair's and custom mice and gamepad's... They will buy a KB/M converter for the PS3 and be able to use the Aimbot WITH keyboard and mouse... a converter is 40 bux cheap end... Your just stuck in the past ps2 mentality where you think Keyboard and mouse users arent in almost every consol game you play. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1wK00M720YAim assist is only another tool to be abused by Pro FPS players and people who know better... its not a tool to make noobs relevant. or help ds3 compete against keyboard which "it never had a problem with before" from any experienced ds3 users mouth that plays DUST. its something that drastically ruins any player based skill... and put's it in the hands of a computer to react and do a majority of the aiming for you, aslong as your looking in the right direction.
Jake Diesel wrote: First of all, you're making yourself sound like an @$$ for calling me stupid when I never even targeted you for derogatory comments.
I've used the DS3 prior to Uprising for my forge gun and only recently switched to mouse about a month ago. I know what the DS3 limitations are. I prefer DS3 for console games, but after countless run-ins with players who run circle around you while keeping their bead on target, I switched to mouse. So no, I am not knowledgeable on all of those mods, converters, and such because I don't hunt them down. Please refrain yourself from derogatory comments on replies to me.
Thank you.
If you cant move and keep your aim on target with a DS3 when most players i know can... then you come here and call the OP a cheater.... then get mad at me for calling you stupid.... I'm at a loss for words...
Then apparently a forge gunner is supposed to run on the ground and gun... ? Your seriously a joke and you deserve the responses you get...
Your stuck in cold hard denial and the logic your using to defend it, is out of the Alice in Wonderlands novel.... This has been the opinion of forge guns since they changed the way the bullets tracked... not just in DUST but ANY FPS person who comes to try DUST....
The concept of how it even works vs infantry is hilarious... its designed to eliminate skill gap's. It doesn't matter how good your aim or battlefield awareness is you can always be one shot and put down by a forge gun. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
202
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:20:00 -
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I think the real issue here is that Funkmaster Whale is OP. Please nerf Funkmaster Whale. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
140
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:20:00 -
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You know when the problem start? When CCP lift the sky limit (good and right thing for Dropship) Back in Cromo the stat where the same but this wasnt a problem. You know why? Simply cause ScrubLords can't hide on inaccessible roof.
We ( Ground Forger) can't pay for scrubs campers ( FG or THALE, really dont matter) and cheaters ( for me a video that display a dot is the same as a modded controller = Cheating.)
Not to mention the K+M, but that was CCP fault in the first place.
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Ninjanomyx
teamplayers EoN.
328
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:21:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Two dominations, back to back: Round One: Stat SheetScoreboardRound Two: Stat SheetScoreboardSo I decided to spec into Forge Guns about two weeks ago and lo and behold the results. I've had better records with an AR (63-0) and back-in-the-day OP TAC AR (72-0), but for being relatively new to the FG scene I was surprised just how effective they are. (Note: Wouldn't have been possible without my beastly logibro ONE-EYE GOON)
So you now know how it feels to be an OP KB/M Crosshair AFGer shooting Genki Damas 2x the size of a Heavy Frame out of a Hand Cannon.......(Seriously.....sit next to a FGer & watch the insanity.) My Rail Turret Projectile is 1/2 the size of a Scout Dropsuit........ It should be the size of a Dropship considering the Fail-Scaling. Swap FG Projectile with Rail Turret Projectile, problem solved. |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
143
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:22:00 -
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Yep.
The forge gun's anti-infantry abilities need to be nerfed. The projectile needs to have some slight trajectory randomness to reduce the ability to OHKO forge-snipe dropsuits (while still being able to hit vehicles), and/or maybe it's efficiency against dropsuits just needs to be changed. |
Thumb Green
Novashift
395
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:25:00 -
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Son Down wrote:In all honesty, guys like this should be on CCP's payroll. SKILLED players balancing the game and game mechanics. Not, one day here, one day gone COD halfwits, with their parent's credit card.
I wouldn't call someone who uses hardware to gain an unfair advantage, a skilled player. A skilled player plays within the constraints of the game; they use what the game gives them not some outside tool to help them aim more precisely. |
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