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Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 802	Posted - 2013.09.19 17:38:00 - [1] - Quote So you not only use a Kb/M setup giving you an aiming/tracking advantage, but you also use a special monitor which allows you to change your target reticule to what ever you like it to be? The FG Reticule is designed the way it is in order to limit the capabilities of the FG. You can't change it to a more precise reticule then call the FG OP. You should not be able to use hardware which gives you such an advantage. This is right there with using a turbo DS3 with the TAC AR. This needs to end now. Do you people realize what you are doing to this game? What new player wants to get stomped by a bunch of PC gamers with elitist attitudes? Go back to PC gaming. Seriously, you people are wrecking this games player base. Then, who comes to the forums crying because player numbers are constantly falling off? The same assholes who are killing this game with their elitist competitive PC gamer attitudes. Using hardware to gain an advantage on a console game does not make you a better player. Why can't you simply enjoy playing the game to have fun? If you are good, you would be good without using these types of things to give you an advantage, and you would not drive away other players. Consoles are, always have been, and always will be a casual gaming platform. Go back to your PCs with your overcompensating competitive elitist gamer mentality. Using hardware to gain an advantage is cheating, plain and simple.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 802	Posted - 2013.09.19 18:53:00 - [2] - Quote DootDoot wrote: The forges who say they are Main forge gunners and couldn't do it so he must be cheating... You are the people who are messing this game up. Skilled players exist in the FPS world.... people who literally are just better then you... get over it. That doesn't make what they do OP..... But when Skilled players come in droves and tell you a Feature or a gun is broken and is purely a tool for them to Abuse and get massive results from.... Then you get a bunch of idiots saying the opposite, And because they can't get similar results they are "cheaing" no. your just bad and hes better.... And your in Denial even with proof in your face... just like AA... If you seriously think a Sharpie and 15 seconds of your time is "cheating" you people really need to stop playing video games... go play backgammon or something. CCP isn't after a game anymore that reflects your personal skill at FPS's... They have installed countless skill gap compressor's. Weapons that one shot you no matter how good your are or what precautions you take, Installed AA that tracks sprinting jumping targets as if they where moving slow, tweaked hit boxes so you are hitting people you have no right to. Allowed endless grenade spamming to be the Fad again... Tweaked Blast radius's on AOE weapons so more people are taking damage more of the time. Don't anyone of you guys for a second think CCP did this by accident... This was on purpose.... Skilled players are one thing, people who use hardware to gain an advantage then say something is OP is something totally different. On top of using hardware to have an advantage, he was tower FG sniping. I personally do not see the fun in doing this. It is a boring way to play, unless you get enjoyment from griefing n00bs, in which case you have other issues besides being a cheater/exploiter at video games. (cheating by using hardware to get an advantage, and exploiting by using the games lack of insight in it's map design to get the upperhand) Also, I don't know if your comment is directed toward me, but I suspect that it is. I am not a dedicated Forge Gunner, but I do use the FG. I do get good scores with it, and am not in anyway jealous of the OP's scores he got by cheating. What many people in this game fail to realize is that their selfish stat whoring actions have a huge impact in this game. You fail to realize that you are not in an extremely competitive gaming environment. If you would stop to consider the impact your actions had on the game in general, you would tone this competitiveness down a few notches. Rule of thumb: Just because one can do something doesn't mean one should. Think about the negative impact something may have on the game before you try to use it to get an unfair advantage. Console games, as I stated before are now, have always been, and always will be a casual gaming platform. If the majority of the desired playerbase approaches DUST from a casual point of view (which they do, because it is a console game) and are not able to at least feel like they are doing halfway decent in the game because of highly competitive stat whoring elitist PC gamers, they will simply not play the game. The elitist PC gamer mentality, and using hardware for an advantage is counterproductive to building DUST's player base, and really needs to end.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 802	Posted - 2013.09.19 19:33:00 - [3] - Quote DootDoot wrote: Hardware advantage is the name of gaming.... the better monitor the better game pad... the better sound... that point is moot... gaming monitor's with custom crosshair's have been sold by sony for years.... And the consol is a casual gaming device? your serious? As far as exploiting advantages in the game to benefit you? and you shouldn't because you should think of how other people feel? your serious about that too? this is your first FPS? that is the developers job they actually make a living dealing with that... When i screw up at my job repeatedly... i would assume to get fired or replaced... The fact that you think its an elitist PC gamer attitude that drives players to invest money into their gaming experience with Aurum packages at the 100 dollar range... Is just mind boggling.. Your the person stuck in the past who thinks gaming platforms should only be playable with one input device..... Keyboard and mouse are on the way out they aren't some futuristic hardware design come to obsolete the game pad They are already being replaced.. and soon your game input will literally be at your end of your imagination... https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3b4w749Tud8 Note hes playing a FPS.... Hardware advantage may be where it's at for PC gaming, but it is far removed from the console world. Most people who use a console do it in their frontroom, sitting on their couch. This is casual gaming. They use a normal flatscreen Television, nothing special, with a normal control pad. Most households also have a basic run-of-the-mill surround sound, nothing fancy. My point is perfectly valid. Yes, I'm perfectly serious, the console is a casual gaming platform. Just because a handful of competitive gamers go out and buy a console with all of the bells and whistles so that they can stroke their Epeen, doesn't change that fact. No, it isn't my first FPS. The level of immaturity displayed in this game is ridiculous. I'm not saying you should let the other players kill you so they can feel good, I'm saying think of the game as a whole. It is still in it's infancy, but the overly competitive players coming to the casual console are destroying it while it has yet to really take off. Think about growing the game more than stroking your fragile egos. Just think about how many potential players we would have now if Protostomping in Pubs was never a thing. It is not fun to repeatedly get rotfl stomped for several months in every single match you play. I'm sorry to break it to you (know I'm not) but, fun is the most important thing for casual gamers (read console players). If the gamer isn't having fun, they will go to a game where they can. This is what has happened in DUST, simply because the elitist gamer crowd has an overwhelming compulsive need to try to make themselves feel good by doing everything and anything they can to boost their stats. Did I say anything about Aurum packages? No I didn't. It is, however the elitist PC gamer mentality which drives players to spend hundreds of dollars on special electronics to gain an upper hand over the casual gamer, just to stroke their egos. It's ridiculous and appalling tbqh. From your link: Quote: Leap Motion represents an entirely new way to interact with your computers. It's more accurate than a mouse, as reliable as a keyboard and more sensitive than a touchscreen. For the first time, you can control a computer in three dimensions with your natural hand and finger movements Note he's playing an FPS on PC not console... I added emphasis on terms which are common in the world of PC, but unheard of in the world of console gaming. New computer technology such as this has no place in the console world as of now and likely won't for quite some time Console gaming is a casual gamer platform, and always will be.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 802	Posted - 2013.09.19 19:43:00 - [4] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun? Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place. I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread. You're completely missing my point. I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation. Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results. Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage. The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here. Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 802	Posted - 2013.09.19 20:38:00 - [5] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun? Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place. I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread. You're completely missing my point. I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation. Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results. Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage. The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here. Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating. You are delusional. Regardless, I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you'll keep whining about "elitist PC players" who "cheat" by using extraneous hardware. Delusional, no. Mature, yes! Am I "whining" no. I do just fine against you scrubs who need assistance from "extraneous hardware". I just know this game could be so much more without you fouling it up. So roll your eyes all you want. You are an immature scrub stat *****. I hope you get tired of this game really soon along with the rest of your elitist PC gamer contemporaries. You do that lol, because we all know the truth: You would suck at this game without it.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 803	Posted - 2013.09.19 21:24:00 - [6] - Quote DootDoot wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: So let me get this straight, you are disgruntled by the fact that I'm using my inherent abilities to overpower the plethora of noobs who can't tell the barrel from the stock on a gun? Listen dude, I hear what you're saying but NO ONE, and I mean no one, stops to think about the "health" of the game relative to their actions in a game. I'm griefing noobs who may or may not have just started this game... And your point is? Why should I care about the emotions of the person who I kill or the ultimate effect on the marketability of a company's game? If the game dies because of me, I would consider that an achievement. I'm using the tools they give me while being aided with a minor little visual cue. You guys are getting so upset by the crosshair and KB/M nonsense that you're refusing to see why I posted this in the first place. I JUST started using Forge Guns two weeks ago and already I'm going at least 30-0 in games on average just sitting around and blasting people. I think it's hilarious. I played assault for forever. I have ~20m SP invested in Assault-related skills and just recently decided to try something new. Shooting the same targets with the dame gun got boring for me. Your argument about how I and others like me are killing the game does not concern me in the least bit. Games are meant to be enjoyed by the person playing them. I'm playing the game, and I enjoy killing and do not enjoy dying. Hence, I'm doing what I enjoy. The point of discussion here was how ridiculously easy it is to be an effective Forge Gunner once you learn the ins and outs, not whether it's morally "right" to do it. Stop bringing your feelings into my balance discussion thread. You're completely missing my point. I do understand your reasoning behind posting this. Your reasoning is drastically flawed. You cannot determine the "balance" of anything if you are using hardware to boost your performance, or exploiting flawed map design to get an advantage. Of course you will see an imbalance in this type of situation. Use a normal flatscreen television, and a DS3 controller, get on the ground like a normal non stat whoring player, and lets compare the results. Then you will truly see that it is not the FG that is overpowered, but the ability to use hardware and exploits to gain an advantage. The fact that you are proud to drive away the potential players speaks volumes toward your credibility in this community. Do you not like the game? You say you enjoy playing it, so why would you not like to see it grow? As part of the community you have a responsibility to be concerned with the health of the game. If you don't, go back to whatever rock you crawled out of, because nobody wants you here. Your "balance" discussion is a joke because your results were obtained by cheating. You are delusional. Regardless, I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you'll keep whining about "elitist PC players" who "cheat" by using extraneous hardware. Delusional, no. Mature, yes! Am I "whining" no. I do just fine against you scrubs who need assistance from "extraneous hardware". I just know this game could be so much more without you fouling it up. So roll your eyes all you want. You are an immature scrub stat *****. I hope you get tired of this game really soon along with the rest of your elitist PC gamer contemporaries. You do that lol, because we all know the truth: You would suck at this game without it. Sounds like the same argument as : "I have computer generated aim and tracking system so all you so called "skilled" players are going to die to me now" personally ill take someone using their own input from a mouse... or use a gaming monitor been used and sold for years.... Then someone who can't aim for them self's and think they should have something guiding their aim for it to be fair or for them to be competitive.... Your just a guy who wants to run and forge gun with AR's, think Forgers shouldn't use any tactical advantages, And should all be limited to a 30 year old means for control input... And if everyone followed your set of "honor" the forge gun would be perfectly balanced... Just short yellow bus worthy... Lol even if I did use aim assist, the FG does not have it. I really don't need AA to be good at DUST. I also don't need a Kb/M or special monitor. Like I stated earlier, if you are good, you will be good without all of the extra hardware helping you. If you need the extra hardware just to get good scores and stroke your ego, you really are not good at all. What makes someone a good player, is the fact that they can use the same controls as anybody else, with no extra hardware and still be good. If you really think having a special monitor to change your reticule doesn't make a difference, you are delusional. They wouldn't make one if it had no effect. If you really think using a Kb/M makes no difference, try a DS3 for a month. Specifically try it against players who you know use Kb/M. I can pick them out of a match every time. The difference is like seeing a kiwi in a basket of oranges. I never said a Forge Gunner shouldn't use tactical advantages. I hardly equate camping on top of a 200m tower a tactical advantage. It is cowardly tbqh. Your insinuation that people who use the DS3 are mentally handicapped just points more to your elitist PC gamer mentality, which is rubbish and is killing this game. Get off your high horse.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 803	Posted - 2013.09.19 21:29:00 - [7] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Yeah clearly I'm able to go 60-0 (two games in a row) because my mouse just aims for me while the keyboard automates my movements and decides which situations I put myself in. Everything I do is a result of some piece of hardware or other excuse you can come up with. Mature? Quote: You do that lol, because we all know the truth: You would suck at this game without it. Yeah because mature people throw around ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the topic. Like I said, you are delusional. Your use of latin does not lend anymore credence to your ridiculous premise. Go 60/0 with a FG without the use of your special monitor, using a DS3, and without tower camping. Go ahead, put yourself on a level playing field with every other player, and lets see you get those scores. I'm waiting.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 803	Posted - 2013.09.19 21:54:00 - [8] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Yeah clearly I'm able to go 60-0 (two games in a row) because my mouse just aims for me while the keyboard automates my movements and decides which situations I put myself in. Everything I do is a result of some piece of hardware or other excuse you can come up with. Mature? Quote: You do that lol, because we all know the truth: You would suck at this game without it. Yeah because mature people throw around ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the topic. Like I said, you are delusional. Your use of latin does not lend anymore credence to your ridiculous premise. Go 60/0 with a FG without the use of your special monitor, using a DS3, and without tower camping. Go ahead, put yourself on a level playing field with every other player, and lets see you get those scores. I'm waiting. I'm sorry but war is never fair. The days of standing in neat lines and shooting at each other in syncopation died with the Imperial age. I will use whatever means I can to kill you and you will always claim I had an advantage because you lack the desire to overcome and instead choose to compensate with an extra dose of putting blame. Besides, why fix what isn't broken? Why would I give up what works (extremely) well? You of course will say I lack the skill, and I of course will retort by calling you a scrub who can't adapt. And the cycle continues... I love this "war is never fair" argument. It is so pathetic it's funny. This is a video game! It is not real life. The only thing I lack the desire to do is spend a small fortune in electronic gaming hardware just to give me an advantage over my opponent. I do say you lack the skill. You say I'm a scrub because I don't spend a bunch of money on gaming hardware to get an unfair advantage lol. I say you are a scrub because you can't put yourself on a level playing field and still be able to call yourself good. Adapting does not equate to buying extra hardware because you are a crap player without it. Adapting means using what's in the box to the best of your ability. What's in the box: PS3, DS3 controller, DUST 514 What isn't broken: Forge Gun What is broken: Kb/M support in a console game, players using special hardware to get an obviously large advantage over their opponent, and to circumnavigate built in game mechanics. (forge gun reticule) BTW Isn't that thing against the EULA? Quote: A. Specifically Restricted Conduct Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices: You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. Your use of the gaming monitor which uses software to change the target reticule of the Forge Gun constitutes a violation of this part of the EULA. Don't you feel proud of yourself now?
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 804	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:27:00 - [9] - Quote DootDoot wrote: You can pick out kb/m users? because i know most of the elite in this game couldn't tell you one way or another... Your argument makes about as much sense as the I am for AA argument... And hardware is gaming... get over it... who has the biggest monitor.. who has the racing wheel.... Who has the better headphones... who has the solid state drive... If you bought a ps3 so that you wouldn't have to invest into your gaming experience.. welcome to console's actually being more then a casual gamers device.... If you had to change from ds3 to mouse because you couldn't move and track your targets at the same time... without going to mouse and keyboard... then claim hes cheating cuz he used the same.. Your just in denial and making up delusional retort's thinking that the FG is only OP because they are using dishonorable and cowardly tactics.. and should be running and gunning with it. That goes for you too snipers!!! only running gunning and quick-scoping allowed now! Yes, I can actually. It really is very easy to tell. Kb/M users do not slow down when changing directions during strafing. Very easy to tell. I guess the "elite" are just not that observant. AA honestly doesn't bother me. My K/D R has steadily been climbing since I was able to max out all of my core skills back in May. Nothing much has changed since it's reintroduction in 1.4. As I said, this may be true in PC, but not in console gaming. Quote: If you bought a ps3 so that you wouldn't have to invest into your gaming experience.. welcome to console's actually being more then a casual gamers device.... The above statement makes absolutely no sense at all. One buys a console, plugs it into his frontroom TV, pulls out the DS3 Control Pad, and begins to have casual fun playing video games. Console is the definition of the casual gaming device. As stated previously, a handful of hardcore competitive gamers who purchase a console and all the bells and whistles, special monitors, and any other advantageous piece of equipment to go with it, will not change this simple fact. In denial about what? I stated a simple challenge to the OP, and anyone else for that matter: Achieve these types of scores using the default PS3 control, a standard TV, similar to one you would see in any modern family room, without exploiting the poorly designed aspects of battle environments. Until someone can do this, it is you who is in denial.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 805	Posted - 2013.09.19 23:05:00 - [10] - Quote Canaan Knute wrote: The Attorney General wrote: What would reduce the QQ is to limit the ability of the FG to pump box after box of ammo onto an objective and kill anyone in a 6m circle. There is no forge gun in the game with a blast radius of 6 meters. The most you can get is 3. Radius is the point from the center of a circle to the edge. Radius of 3 = diameter of 6 Just to clear that up.

Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 806	Posted - 2013.09.19 23:58:00 - [11] - Quote DootDoot wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: First off splashnon FG is a little too much, A LITTLE. Secondly your telling me dust is easy mode when you have shelled out money for superior hardware, that gives you a physical tactical advantage? I mean there is nothing wrong with it, but its like winning a knife fight with a hand and a half sword!! Superior hardware? a monitor made by Asus? sony makes one too.... http://www.amazon.com/Series-VG278HE-27-Inch-LED-lit-Monitor/dp/B00906HM6K How much did your flatscreen cost? maybe the 5 dollar USB mouse and keyboard.... You guys cant seriously think what you are.... The point is that the monitor allows one to circumnavigate the reticule of the FG (or any other weapon) which was specifically designed the way it was so as to somewhat limit the usefulness of the weapon. A Kb/M Setup will always provide more precise aiming control over a DS3 controller.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 806	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:01:00 - [12] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: The forge guns ability to demolish infantry halfway (or sometimes all the way) across the map is ridiculous and needs to go, especially the freaking assault forge guns. You guys can get hung up on Funkmaster's cross hairs or KB/M setup all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the forge gun being able to kill everything is ridiculous. I've been in a corp with a guy that can and has basically won games by himself with his forge gun. The forge gun should either: A) be changed somehow to do less damage against infantry or B) have its splash radius reduced I would prefer the first because I think the forge should still be a significant threat to vehicles LOL Really? "Hey guys, look at my handheld railgun. It can't do **** against a person, but it can Pop a Heavily Armored Vehicle in 3 - 5 good shots" Does that make sense to you? Should Large Rail Turrets be able to one shot infantry? Don't see people crying about that. What about Railgun Installations?
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 807	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:10:00 - [13] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: The forge guns ability to demolish infantry halfway (or sometimes all the way) across the map is ridiculous and needs to go, especially the freaking assault forge guns. You guys can get hung up on Funkmaster's cross hairs or KB/M setup all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the forge gun being able to kill everything is ridiculous. I've been in a corp with a guy that can and has basically won games by himself with his forge gun. The forge gun should either: A) be changed somehow to do less damage against infantry or B) have its splash radius reduced I would prefer the first because I think the forge should still be a significant threat to vehicles No because the round disintergrates after about 400m, you could make 350m if you want but It is by definition an anti-material weapon, by definition anything that gets hit by it should physically cease to exist! Howevef a possible way is to lower the ROF of the assault by adding a recoil animation, that lasts a second or so, this means the first shot takes 2.5 secs but the second takes at least 3.5! The Range of the FG is 300m Tops. What you are suggesting would only encourage Tower FG sniping because once you fire, you would be completely vulnerable just as if you Overheated a weapon, or are reloading. This would completely gimp those of us who play without exploiting dirty tricks, and bad design elements. Nerf Tower Camping. Reshape the tops of towers to make it impossible to land on and camp from them.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 807	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:26:00 - [14] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: The forge guns ability to demolish infantry halfway (or sometimes all the way) across the map is ridiculous and needs to go, especially the freaking assault forge guns. You guys can get hung up on Funkmaster's cross hairs or KB/M setup all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the forge gun being able to kill everything is ridiculous. I've been in a corp with a guy that can and has basically won games by himself with his forge gun. The forge gun should either: A) be changed somehow to do less damage against infantry or B) have its splash radius reduced I would prefer the first because I think the forge should still be a significant threat to vehicles No because the round disintergrates after about 400m, you could make 350m if you want but It is by definition an anti-material weapon, by definition anything that gets hit by it should physically cease to exist! Howevef a possible way is to lower the ROF of the assault by adding a recoil animation, that lasts a second or so, this means the first shot takes 2.5 secs but the second takes at least 3.5! The Range of the FG is 300m Tops. What you are suggesting would only encourage Tower FG sniping because once you fire, you would be completely vulnerable just as if you Overheated a weapon, or are reloading. This would completely gimp those of us who play without exploiting dirty tricks, and bad design elements. Nerf Tower Camping. Reshape the tops of towers to make it impossible to land on and camp from them. Then truth be told I don't the problem, you could perhaps reduce SD 10%, but other than that, I expect it to kill me!! Exactly, it is a Heavy Weapon. Even if you reduced the splash damage, I would still be able to use it effectively against infantry. I never rely on splash damage, though. I always get direct hits, using a DS3, without an aim assist monitor. The FG Splash damage is really so negligent that if you get killed by it, you were either about to die anyway, or you deserve to for just standing there letting someone blast you with a FG. If you get hit with splash damage from the MD, do you just stand there and let the wielder keep shooting you? No, of course not, and the MD has a much higher rate of fire, and blast radius. So, why would you stay there for 2+ seconds after getting hit with splash from a FG? Nerf idiocy!
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 807	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:31:00 - [15] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: It should be super easy to fix the forge gun against infantry problem. Make it so that the crosshairs never go red against infantry, problem solved. There is no "forge gun against infantry problem". The FG does exactly what it is supposed to do. If you get hit with a Large Rail Turret from a sniper tank, do you complain about it? What if you get 1 shotted by a Railgun Installation? Should we nerf those too?
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 808	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:52:00 - [16] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: It should be super easy to fix the forge gun against infantry problem. Make it so that the crosshairs never go red against infantry, problem solved. There is no "forge gun against infantry problem". The FG does exactly what it is supposed to do. If you get hit with a Large Rail Turret from a sniper tank, do you complain about it? What if you get 1 shotted by a Railgun Installation? Should we nerf those too? The difference is both of those have their drawbacks. One is fixed in place, so cant run away from AV type attacks, or hide behind cover. The other one costs 100k-300k average fitting. Oh, wait, theres one more diference: You can skill into a forgegun that OUTDAMAGES EITHER OF THEM! This is way, way OP. The FG has plenty of drawbacks. It must be used with the slowest, easiest to hit suit in the game. It has a much much longer charge time than a Rail Turret or a Rail Installation. During the charge time, the user is completely vulnerable. Two guys with only a standard AR with no skills in SS or Proficiency can down a Proto Heavy in the time it takes to charge a FG. FG has very limited Ammo, with only 4 shots per clip. FG has very long reload time. FG has a very in accurate target reticule, which can be overcome with a certain amount of skill (or in the case of the OP, a monitor with software capabilities violating the EULA).
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 808	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:55:00 - [17] - Quote castba wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: It should be super easy to fix the forge gun against infantry problem. Make it so that the crosshairs never go red against infantry, problem solved. There is no "forge gun against infantry problem". The FG does exactly what it is supposed to do. If you get hit with a Large Rail Turret from a sniper tank, do you complain about it? What if you get 1 shotted by a Railgun Installation? Should we nerf those too? It would be better if the crosshairs didn't flash red. I'd like to see splash damage reduced to 10% of direct damage and since the standard "hold charge" FG is going to stay, how about a limit on how long the charge can be held? Infinite charge holding is ridiculous. Also halve the damage of the Militia variant. If you want the benefits of the FG, one should have to skill into them. The ONLY change I would make to any FG is the "hold charge" variants. I would make them so that the longer you hold a charge, the more the reticule shakes.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 808	Posted - 2013.09.20 01:00:00 - [18] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Jastad wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Oh, wait, theres one more diference: You can skill into a forgegun that OUTDAMAGES EITHER OF THEM! This is way, way OP. If you take a hit by my " I CANTFUKINMOVEWHILECHARGIN 6SEC Breach" YOU are a BAD tanker, your fault, not mine. oh, I see. If you cant see for 200m radius, 360 degrees around you at all times.... you're a bad tanker. Got it. and to Master Jaraiya: what you said would be fair enoug.. execpt for the fact that FG has range of over 200m. So he can charge up, fire, and get into cover, before any of your beloved AR wielders get near him. FG has a range of 300m I have been sniped by a Railtank at longer ranges than that. ARs can easily hit at 100m The Heavy suit also has the most limited scanning abilities. Heavies are the easiest to flank and sneak up on. This is what makes SG Scouts so deadly to Heavies. If you can't flank a Heavy from 100m, or sneak up on one you are seriously doing something wrong.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 815	Posted - 2013.09.20 02:35:00 - [19] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: DootDoot wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: First off splashnon FG is a little too much, A LITTLE. Secondly your telling me dust is easy mode when you have shelled out money for superior hardware, that gives you a physical tactical advantage? I mean there is nothing wrong with it, but its like winning a knife fight with a hand and a half sword!! Superior hardware? a monitor made by Asus? sony makes one too.... http://www.amazon.com/Series-VG278HE-27-Inch-LED-lit-Monitor/dp/B00906HM6K How much did your flatscreen cost? maybe the 5 dollar USB mouse and keyboard.... You guys cant seriously think what you are.... The point is that the monitor allows one to circumnavigate the reticule of the FG (or any other weapon) which was specifically designed the way it was so as to somewhat limit the usefulness of the weapon. A Kb/M Setup will always provide more precise aiming control over a DS3 controller. This. I totally agree on all those points. I am effectively bypassing CCP's entire balance scheme over a handful of colored pixels. Think about it. Should what you consider as "balanced" be entrusted to the user's potential to miss? What happens when someone manages to land precise shots all the time? 60-0 in pubs against randoms who have no idea how to counter it. The gun needs to be reconsidered as far as its effectiveness versus infantry. All I'm saying. All the other reasons that discredit me are perfectly valid. I've stated multiple times. Yes I'm using KB/M in a console game, Yes I use a custom crosshair due to hardware specific monitors, Yes it makes me incredibly precise. Extraneous variables aside, the science here is that the Forge Gun is effectively a 4-clip, high damage, huge blast radius Big Bang Kamehameha x100 (Gogeta edition). My ultimatum is this: Don't balance a gun around expecting its user to miss. See, that is the point of the thing. It is a Railgun. It should OHK infantry, just as an HAV Large Rail Turret and a Railgun installation should. CCP didn't base their balance on the user's ability to aim, they based their balance on the drawbacks stated above, as well as the fact that it is a Railgun. Just because you can sit on a tower and go 60/0 using Kb/M + other hardware advantages does not mean the FG is OP. Like I stated before, Using a DS3, and normal TV/Monitor go 60/0 with the FG without Tower sniping. When you can do this, we can say the FG is truly OP.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 819	Posted - 2013.09.20 03:17:00 - [20] - Quote Inyanga wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: The Range of the FG is 300m Tops. What you are suggesting would only encourage Tower FG sniping because once you fire, you would be completely vulnerable just as if you Overheated a weapon, or are reloading. This would completely gimp those of us who play without exploiting dirty tricks, and bad design elements. Nerf Tower Camping. Reshape the tops of towers to make it impossible to land on and camp from them. That's an Idea I can get behind. Add an overheat to Forges, preventing spam. If you fire all four back to back (three on the militia) then you could overheat, slowing your ability to continue harassing infantry and vehicles. Everyone (save FGunners) is happy. I suspect the reasoning behind this is the fact of Turrets and installations having an overheat function. One reason the FG does not, is because of it's longer charge time. During the time it takes the FG to charge, it is cooling down from it's last shot. In it's current state, adding an overheat function to the FG would throw the balance completely off. The only way I could see this happening is to drastically lower the charge time, and increase the clipsize to about 6.

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