So why the hell is he bitching so much about tanks being UP against AV?

Clearly he has a lust for power and wants to be invincible like most tankers out there.

Well I figured that much, but how does it reflect the current state of AV vs vehicles with that topic in mind?

Sniper vs heavy is like a forge vs a tank. Your example showed how a heavy can get OHK by a sniper. But to my knowledge, no std tank is being OHK by a forge gunner.

So why the hell is he bitching so much about tanks being UP against AV?

Clearly he has a lust for power and wants to be invincible like most tankers out there.

So why the hell is he bitching so much about tanks being UP against AV?

Do you need to be in a squad to do that?

Both are able to solo (Somewhat [Tanks are a little harder]).
The real question here is why can AV users solo and yet, Vehicle users can't?

............... you're hopeless.

Haha, really? You link lowrates video for that example?

Hey he also got a laser rifle kill too, NERF LASER RIFLES!!!!

He destroyed a noob Sica player, likely with no decent modules at all and clearly stupid enough to do what he did, why you use that as an example is beyond me.

Yes, noob tankers get destroyed easily. Is this really the topic of debate here? I'm sure there is thousands of videos of noob infantry players getting slaughtered by a tank too.

Haha, really? You link lowrates video for that example?

Hey he also got a laser rifle kill too, NERF LASER RIFLES!!!!

He destroyed a noob Sica player, likely with no decent modules at all and clearly stupid enough to do what he did, why you use that as an example is beyond me.

Yes, noob tankers get destroyed easily. Is this really the topic of debate here? I'm sure there is thousands of videos of noob infantry players getting slaughtered by a tank too.

Haha, really? You link lowrates video for that example?

Hey he also got a laser rifle kill too, NERF LASER RIFLES!!!!

He destroyed a noob Sica player, likely with no decent modules at all and clearly stupid enough to do what he did, why you use that as an example is beyond me.

Yes, noob tankers get destroyed easily. Is this really the topic of debate here? I'm sure there is thousands of videos of noob infantry players getting slaughtered by a tank too.

Well AV players currently have to be in a squad to take on players such as Ted Nugget and his tank, so why can tankers solo it and not us?

True.

I'm just showing you that you can solo a tank... *Gasp* who'd have thought?



Thing is, you can easily solo a tank. I'm sure you can find dozens of videos showing an AV user soloing a Vehicle user; why do the work myself?

Also to quote Spark

Touche, shame it had to be out of context for you to make a valid counter-point

I wonder what the ratio of tanks soloing infantry players vs infantry soloing tanks?

Hmmm

shame it had to be out of context for you to make a valid counter-point

Well AV players currently have to be in a squad to take on players such as Ted Nugget and his tank, so why can tankers solo it and not us?

I wonder what the ratio of tanks soloing infantry players vs infantry soloing tanks?

I wonder what the ratio of tanks soloing infantry players vs infantry soloing tanks?

Hmmm

So why the hell is he bitching so much about tanks being UP against AV?

Clearly he has a lust for power and wants to be invincible like most tankers out there.

Something like 1:10 in the infantry's favor I presume

Hehe, 1:10 in infantry's favor, you troll you!

Ah well, I'm done here, haven't played dust yet tonight cause of this dang forum, and only got a half-hour left till DT.

Good debating, till another day.

If a corp ever develops a HAV doctrine based around heavy support for a glass cannon this forum will explode. HAVs are meant to have support not one man wrecking crews, when we start putting that into practice I will start listening to AV/HAV QQ threads. Just like our suits the vehicles are not supposed to be a win button or indestructible, they are force multipliers. Right now our HAVs are force adders. They add to the team but don't really come close to what could be done by a attack and logi HAV combo could do.

I just want to throw this in.

The whole rendering "issue" is complete nonsense! I have been instapopped by redline rail tanks that were a good 400 - 500 m out. They were in fact so far out that they did not turn my Forge Gun reticule's color indicating they were in range. No, before you talk smack, I was NOT in a tower sniping position. I was on the ground holding an objective, trying to push the tank off of our installations while getting sniped, dodging murder taxis, core locus grenades, mass driver spam, and everything else that is the bane of my existence as a heavy!

So let me ask you, how did the rail tank hit me from so far away if, like many claim "forge gunners don't render at long distances"

WAHHHHH BOOOO HOOOOOO.

I agree 100% with the OP. There are too many tankers who just want invincibility while sitting in their nice cozy little death machine.

My corp has several tankers who never-NEVER complain about tanks being UP. In fact these guys score 1st place on end of match every time they play with 2500+ WP without even trying very hard! I have seen them score 3500+ WP with like 50 - 60 kills.

Just yesterday I was playing in a squad with one of our tankers, and the ENTIRE match he was LAUGHING at the AV guys with swarms because they could not take his tank down!

Tankers need to seriously learn how to play their role and HTFU or go find another game that they can be more successful at. Perhaps something like this would better suit you crybabies!

Just yesterday I was playing in a squad with one of our tankers, and the ENTIRE match he was LAUGHING at the AV guys with swarms because they could not take his tank down!

I just want to throw this in.

The whole rendering "issue" is complete nonsense! I have been instapopped by redline rail tanks that were a good 400 - 500 m out. They were in fact so far out that they did not turn my Forge Gun reticule's color indicating they were in range. No, before you talk smack, I was NOT in a tower sniping position. I was on the ground holding an objective, trying to push the tank off of our installations while getting sniped, dodging murder taxis, core locus grenades, mass driver spam, and everything else that is the bane of my existence as a heavy!

So let me ask you, how did the rail tank hit me from so far away if, like many claim "forge gunners don't render at long distances"

WAHHHHH BOOOO HOOOOOO.

I agree 100% with the OP. There are too many tankers who just want invincibility while sitting in their nice cozy little death machine.

My corp has several tankers who never-NEVER complain about tanks being UP. In fact these guys score 1st place on end of match every time they play with 2500+ WP without even trying very hard! I have seen them score 3500+ WP with like 50 - 60 kills.

Just yesterday I was playing in a squad with one of our tankers, and the ENTIRE match he was LAUGHING at the AV guys with swarms because they could not take his tank down!

Tankers need to seriously learn how to play their role and HTFU or go find another game that they can be more successful at. Perhaps something like this would better suit you crybabies!

its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.

it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP.

Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes.

You will have renderd at that distance because of 1 of 3 things

1 his squad leafer was on the ball and put an attack order on you.

2 someone in his squad acctivly scanned you.

3 some in in his squad was using passive scanners and was ib range of you.

Other than these 3 things I havent found any other way to see objects beyond 250m in my tank . The rendering hard stops at 250m when im in my rail. I have had enemy havs dissapear infromt of me because they rolld back 2 or 3 m . Get in a sica with a rail and try it yourself the rendering distance is the same for all pikots inside the tank. I will add you can see enimy instalations up to about 500m away but only see infantry within 250m

Dont assume that everyone who qq's ehem gives feedback runs solo.

You will have renderd at that distance because of 1 of 3 things

1 his squad leafer was on the ball and put an attack order on you.

2 someone in his squad acctivly scanned you.

3 some in in his squad was using passive scanners and was ib range of you.

Other than these 3 things I havent found any other way to see objects beyond 250m in my tank . The rendering hard stops at 250m when im in my rail. I have had enemy havs dissapear infromt of me because they rolld back 2 or 3 m . Get in a sica with a rail and try it yourself the rendering distance is the same for all pikots inside the tank. I will add you can see enimy instalations up to about 500m away but only see infantry within 250m

Aww.... thats just mean Jaraiya

Rail-Guns have a max range of 600m so, it should be able to kill you within that range don't you think?
Its a shame I've never met these tankers of yours... must never be on when they are.


This is what happens when you fit your tank smartly!

I'm pretty damn sure you're exaggerating about the 50-60 kills though.

Also, not everyone has the same problems.

Again, you aren't grasping the point of my post.

Tanks hate the fact that 1 AV can completely destroy their tank, or make them completely useless .... which is false.

My only point, and argument.

Edit - When concerning properly fitted tanks. cause we all know theres a huge gap between starting out tanking with MLT and no resistance skills, and a properly skilled and fitted tank.

Not exaggerating at all. Maybe it was all noobs idiotically trying to shoot his tank with their AR, I don't know, but yea 50 - 60 kills in one match on a skirmish. This was on top of the installations he destroyed.

my god.... your ignorant....

with the way I would balance it, solo tankers would have a chance of surviving, but if the right people were all inside of the tank, the vehicle would be able to completely overcome you.


notice I said the plural of person.. which is PEOPLE, meaning that if 3 PEOPLE WERE IN THE TANK AT THE SAME TIME WITH THE RIGHT SKILL SET, THEY WOULD MAKE THE TANK SRONGER

I have been in corpies' tanks and could see infantry much farther away than 250m and I have no SP invested into HAV skills.

I have had HAVs roll right up behind me without a sound, and without appearing on my TacNet, and open fire with their 80 JG Neutron Blaster.

Bugs are bugs, and cannot always be avoided until they are patched out.

You...were not...on a Tower.

EZ-ModeAV. & AFG??? You have it best...End of discussion