Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.

Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.

Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.

I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.

8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.

Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.

Ass holes.

well... hes obviously NOT a scrub tanker, we all know that now lol

by the rate of things, nobody new will want to spec into tanks because its still the most hated and nerfed class in the game.

It's a combined arms game. The answer to tanks should be your own tank, or your gun emplacements, not some OP man-portable weapon which inexplicably out-damages tank turrets.

And a single tank dictating the entire flow of the battlefield, because i was the sole AVer trying to take him out....ISN'T game breaking as well?

Edit - i find it ridiculous that you claim i should use my game breaking rendering advantage to my use and simply dominate that tank with it....yet, a tank that doesn't require any shady use of game mechanics is okay? WTF are you on?

I want balance, not trying to squeeze every piece of dps i can by abusing mechanics available to me.

Damn tank scrubs, I can only hope in the future we get vehicle-free modes. I like to shoot infantry, not try to shoot infantry while simultaneously getting mauled by a tank, then switching to AV only to get mauled by infantry while I try to shoot the tank.

Yet when there's an entire team of AV countering your tanks, its OP? i don't understand such logic.

Obviously 1 AVer isn't destroying an entire team of tanks, yet i see so many posts saying 1 AV can take out properly fitted tanks like pinatas.

Didn't you make a topic where you wanted squad play nerfed?

Edit: Found it.

Advanced and proto are the only effective AV against std tanks (adv swarms are garbage, only adv forge is worthwhile)... that alone should say something. Just imagine if the OP was using std AV to try to take out teds tank... he could have spent all night shooting him and nothing would have ever happened.

Also the op had used proto forge and yet he didn't make a dent. Which is BS. Once your invincible noob-proto tanks arrive, there will be nothing in the game powerful enough to take them out unless half the team is using proto AV and is focused 100% on one proto tank.

What makes ted one of the best tankers in the game, cause he can flip on a few modules and become invincible while he hides behind a hill to rep at a crazy amount

And sorry, 1 tank = 1 infantry player. 1 object for 1 object. You have a single tank operated by a single person (excluding those in turrets which can't actually maneuver the tank). You can move this death-squad on wheels by yourself and it is in a single location. And you want a minimum of 3 AV players to take it out? LOL. Yeah, the chances of 3 dedicated AV players all in the prime spot to take out a tank and somehow manage to avoid all the infantry players who shoot on sight when a red is in range... not good.

Also you think it should be a 3:1 ratio? You do realize that when an infantry player uses AV they are useless against other infantry players? (forge is the small exception). So if there is 2 tanks in the game, that means 6 infantry players are now out of the loop and hunting vehicles only.

With a 16 v 16 game, that means it's really 16 vs 10 (and two tanks on the enemy team). Yeah, ok buddy

Okay, I'm game for this part of child's play.

For someone who isn't fully specced into Forge Guns, Swarms launchers and Plasma cannons, you sure act like you know everything about them.

See how easy it is to play a child's game?

Is your next attempt going to point out that I'm in the Amarr Templars Corp?

I play this game to kill infantry (this is a FPS, remember that),

If size (and HP) is the name of the game, then why do I get popped by solo snipers as a heavy forger gunner? I mean it should require at least 3 snipers to take me out cause I have so much HP and girth.

- Sniper meets HMG heavy in the street head to head... sniper gets stomped before they even realizes WTF happened.

- Heavy meets sniper on a map, sniper has extreme range and the heavy has no idea where the shots are coming from... heavy gets stomped trying to run away in a direction he hopes is the correct one at the speed of slow.

Seems very similar, doesn't it?

A solid, logical argument.

Yes, it does. And I am curious as to where you are going with this. Cause to my knowledge, tanks have no such "headshot" multipliers. Which is another nail in the coffin for AV players.

Wow... Oh my.... LOL.

Tankers from this forum only go to skirmish and domination, wow, boy I wish that was the case. Actually, tanks go to ambush for little risk and high reward, it is where they are the most powerful in this game. And they are absolutely destroying that mode.

If you tank and only play skirmish and domination, you are somebody I can respect. But the douche tankers who frequent ambush are one of the bigger problems with tanks in this game. I see many well-known tankers from this forum in bush, and quite a lot from the D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E alliance and SVER too.

Hey if i could press a magical button to have a freindly tanker roll in to take on the enemy tank, then that would be great. Sadly tankers for the most part only call in a tank to whoop defenseless infantry ass (until the infantry gets pissed off enough to bring AV).

The only way to take on a tank shouldn't be another tank. As that is when something is clearly OP. Things need to have multiple counters, not just one, to be balanced.

Ok, and your point is?

Just roll with a PRO squad of assault and sniper players who can take out all AV before it is even used.

Or do I need to spell it out for you?

I know from experience that is not the case going against void. My advice is do not use swarms at all, don't bring in any vehicles, get a sniper rifle and contact grenades and kill his death squad and stay away from the front lines no matter what.

So why the hell is he bitching so much about tanks being UP against AV?

Clearly he has a lust for power and wants to be invincible like most tankers out there.

Well I figured that much, but how does it reflect the current state of AV vs vehicles with that topic in mind?

Sniper vs heavy is like a forge vs a tank. Your example showed how a heavy can get OHK by a sniper. But to my knowledge, no std tank is being OHK by a forge gunner.

Haha, really? You link lowrates video for that example?

Hey he also got a laser rifle kill too, NERF LASER RIFLES!!!!

He destroyed a noob Sica player, likely with no decent modules at all and clearly stupid enough to do what he did, why you use that as an example is beyond me.

Yes, noob tankers get destroyed easily. Is this really the topic of debate here? I'm sure there is thousands of videos of noob infantry players getting slaughtered by a tank too.

I just want to throw this in.

The whole rendering "issue" is complete nonsense! I have been instapopped by redline rail tanks that were a good 400 - 500 m out. They were in fact so far out that they did not turn my Forge Gun reticule's color indicating they were in range. No, before you talk smack, I was NOT in a tower sniping position. I was on the ground holding an objective, trying to push the tank off of our installations while getting sniped, dodging murder taxis, core locus grenades, mass driver spam, and everything else that is the bane of my existence as a heavy!

So let me ask you, how did the rail tank hit me from so far away if, like many claim "forge gunners don't render at long distances"

WAHHHHH BOOOO HOOOOOO.

I agree 100% with the OP. There are too many tankers who just want invincibility while sitting in their nice cozy little death machine.

My corp has several tankers who never-NEVER complain about tanks being UP. In fact these guys score 1st place on end of match every time they play with 2500+ WP without even trying very hard! I have seen them score 3500+ WP with like 50 - 60 kills.

Just yesterday I was playing in a squad with one of our tankers, and the ENTIRE match he was LAUGHING at the AV guys with swarms because they could not take his tank down!

Some tankers need to seriously learn how to play their role and HTFU or go find another game that they can be more successful at. Perhaps something like this would better suit you crybabies!