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        |  Duran Lex
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
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      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:13:00 -
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 Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.
 
 Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.
 
 Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.
 
 I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.
 
 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.
 
 Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.
 
 Ass holes.
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        |  JL3Eleven
 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
 
 639
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:16:00 -
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 Tell us how you really feel.
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        |  Aizen Intiki
 Ghost Wolf Industries
 Alpha Wolf Pack
 
 513
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:16:00 -
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 Duran Lex wrote:Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.
 Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.
 
 Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.
 
 I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.
 
 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.
 
 Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.
 
 Ass holes.
 
 You must have missed. I've 3-shotted Ted's HAV a couple times.
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        |  Void Echo
 Echo Galactic Industries
 
 1003
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:16:00 -
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 well... hes obviously NOT a scrub tanker, we all know that now lol
 
 by the rate of things, nobody new will want to spec into tanks because its still the most hated and nerfed class in the game.
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        |  ladwar
 Dead Six Initiative
 Lokun Listamenn
 
 1238
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:18:00 -
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 Aizen Intiki wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.
 Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.
 
 Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.
 
 I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.
 
 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.
 
 Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.
 
 Ass holes.
 You must have missed. I've 3-shotted Ted's HAV a couple times.  ^
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        |  Aizen Intiki
 Ghost Wolf Industries
 Alpha Wolf Pack
 
 514
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:18:00 -
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 Void Echo wrote:well... hes obviously NOT a scrub tanker, we all know that now lol
 by the rate of things, nobody new will want to spec into tanks because its still the most hated and nerfed class in the game.
 
 What's up with the Corp. name?
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        |  Bhal Jhor
 Subdreddit
 Test Alliance Please Ignore
 
 44
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:19:00 -
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 It's a combined arms game. The answer to tanks should be your own tank, or your gun emplacements, not some OP man-portable weapon which inexplicably out-damages tank turrets.
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        |  Void Echo
 Echo Galactic Industries
 
 1003
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:20:00 -
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 Aizen Intiki wrote:Void Echo wrote:well... hes obviously NOT a scrub tanker, we all know that now lol
 by the rate of things, nobody new will want to spec into tanks because its still the most hated and nerfed class in the game.
 What's up with the Corp. name? 
 
 its my mercenary tanker corp.
 
 but seriously, that's what you got from my post?
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        |  Chances Ghost
 Inf4m0us
 
 424
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:20:00 -
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 were you on a high tower overelooking teh entire battlefield outside his rendering range with an ammo hive at your feet?
 
 
 aka forcing him to sit in a corner immobile behind a rock all game while your invisable and invulnerable to all weapons fire?
 
 
 if not you were doing it wrong, and you have no idea why theres an imbalance in the tank/AV/infantry equasion
 
 
 see thread for details
 
 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215112#post1215112
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        |  Aizen Intiki
 Ghost Wolf Industries
 Alpha Wolf Pack
 
 514
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:22:00 -
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 Void Echo wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Void Echo wrote:well... hes obviously NOT a scrub tanker, we all know that now lol
 by the rate of things, nobody new will want to spec into tanks because its still the most hated and nerfed class in the game.
 What's up with the Corp. name? its my mercenary tanker corp. but seriously, that's what you got from my post? 
 ? Interesting.
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        |  Duran Lex
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 168
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:22:00 -
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 Aizen Intiki wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.
 Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.
 
 Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.
 
 I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.
 
 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.
 
 Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.
 
 Ass holes.
 You must have missed. I've 3-shotted Ted's HAV a couple times.  
 its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.
 
 it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP.
 
 Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes.
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        |  Duran Lex
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 168
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:23:00 -
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 Chances Ghost wrote:were you on a high tower overelooking teh entire battlefield outside his rendering range with an ammo hive at your feet? aka forcing him to sit in a corner immobile behind a rock all game while your invisable and invulnerable to all weapons fire? if not you were doing it wrong, and you have no idea why theres an imbalance in the tank/AV/infantry equasion see thread for detailshttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215112#post1215112 
 I can only lol at you.
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        |  Void Echo
 Echo Galactic Industries
 
 1003
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:24:00 -
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 Duran Lex wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.
 Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.
 
 Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.
 
 I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.
 
 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.
 
 Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.
 
 Ass holes.
 You must have missed. I've 3-shotted Ted's HAV a couple times.  its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.  it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP. Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes. 
 
 and that's impressive to you?
 
 HAHA simple minded.
 
 it might have been help on his side to keep him alive from your over sized heavy sniper
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        |  Void Echo
 Echo Galactic Industries
 
 1003
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:24:00 -
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 Aizen Intiki wrote:Void Echo wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Void Echo wrote:well... hes obviously NOT a scrub tanker, we all know that now lol
 by the rate of things, nobody new will want to spec into tanks because its still the most hated and nerfed class in the game.
 What's up with the Corp. name? its my mercenary tanker corp. but seriously, that's what you got from my post? ? Interesting. 
 
 not meant to be interesting, I made it, its here.
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        |  Duran Lex
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 168
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:24:00 -
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 Void Echo wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.
 Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.
 
 Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.
 
 I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.
 
 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.
 
 Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.
 
 Ass holes.
 You must have missed. I've 3-shotted Ted's HAV a couple times.  its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.  it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP. Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes. and that's impressive to you? HAHA simple minded. it might have been help on his side to keep him alive from your over sized heavy sniper 
 Not impressive in the slightest...but when tanks say they are so underpowered in takes a single FG clip from an assault to pop em....
 
 Instances like these tend to tell a different story.
 
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        |  ladwar
 Dead Six Initiative
 Lokun Listamenn
 
 1238
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:25:00 -
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 Duran Lex wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.
 Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.
 
 Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.
 
 I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.
 
 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.
 
 Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.
 
 Ass holes.
 You must have missed. I've 3-shotted Ted's HAV a couple times.  its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.  it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP. Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes. ah so your one of those scrubs i have heard of so much about
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        |  Cosgar
 ParagonX
 
 4541
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:25:00 -
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 Void Echo wrote:by the rate of things, nobody new will want to spec into tanks because its still the most hated and nerfed class in the game. ^
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        |  Chances Ghost
 Inf4m0us
 
 424
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:25:00 -
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 Duran Lex wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:were you on a high tower overelooking teh entire battlefield outside his rendering range with an ammo hive at your feet? aka forcing him to sit in a corner immobile behind a rock all game while your invisable and invulnerable to all weapons fire? if not you were doing it wrong, and you have no idea why theres an imbalance in the tank/AV/infantry equasion see thread for detailshttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215112#post1215112 I can only lol at you. 
 
 and why is that?
 
 
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        |  Duran Lex
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 168
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:26:00 -
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 Chances Ghost wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:were you on a high tower overelooking teh entire battlefield outside his rendering range with an ammo hive at your feet? aka forcing him to sit in a corner immobile behind a rock all game while your invisable and invulnerable to all weapons fire? if not you were doing it wrong, and you have no idea why theres an imbalance in the tank/AV/infantry equasion see thread for detailshttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215112#post1215112 I can only lol at you. and why is that? 
 You didn't read my post.
 
 It's okay though, you were going to comment without reading anyways.
 
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        |  Duran Lex
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 168
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:27:00 -
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 ladwar wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.
 Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.
 
 Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.
 
 I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.
 
 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.
 
 Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.
 
 Ass holes.
 You must have missed. I've 3-shotted Ted's HAV a couple times.  its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.  it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP. Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes. ah so your one of those scrubs i have heard of so much about  
 sure?
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        |  Chances Ghost
 Inf4m0us
 
 426
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:31:00 -
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 Duran Lex wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:were you on a high tower overelooking teh entire battlefield outside his rendering range with an ammo hive at your feet? aka forcing him to sit in a corner immobile behind a rock all game while your invisable and invulnerable to all weapons fire? if not you were doing it wrong, and you have no idea why theres an imbalance in the tank/AV/infantry equasion see thread for detailshttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215112#post1215112 I can only lol at you. and why is that? You didn't read my post. It's okay though, you were going to comment without reading anyways. 
 
 i read it.
 
 you went up against one of the best tankers int he game who has thrived in an environment that is heavily screwed against him.
 
 you are NOT the best forge gunner in the game. and yet you still managed to mess him up pretty good despite having no real knowledge of the mechanics involved. if you DID understand the mechanics involved he would of been rendered immobile.
 
 
 so, now care to anwser my question?
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        |  Void Echo
 Echo Galactic Industries
 
 1003
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:31:00 -
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 Duran Lex wrote:Void Echo wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.
 Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.
 
 Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.
 
 I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.
 
 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.
 
 Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.
 
 Ass holes.
 You must have missed. I've 3-shotted Ted's HAV a couple times.  its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.  it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP. Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes. and that's impressive to you? HAHA simple minded. it might have been help on his side to keep him alive from your over sized heavy sniper Not impressive in the slightest...but when tanks say they are so underpowered in takes a single FG clip from an assault to pop em.... Instances like these tend to tell a different story. 
 
 
 yeah well when you AV infantry guys complain about not being able to kill us then showing that you tried to run solo on one of us... yeah that tell a different story also
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        |  Heathen Bastard
 The Bastard Brigade
 
 588
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:32:00 -
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 so, you took 8 shots in 15 minutes?
 
 that's not even one a minute. MY tank could survive that, and I'm ONLY 8mil into speccing.
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        |  Duran Lex
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 169
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:35:00 -
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 Chances Ghost wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:were you on a high tower overelooking teh entire battlefield outside his rendering range with an ammo hive at your feet? aka forcing him to sit in a corner immobile behind a rock all game while your invisable and invulnerable to all weapons fire? if not you were doing it wrong, and you have no idea why theres an imbalance in the tank/AV/infantry equasion see thread for detailshttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215112#post1215112 I can only lol at you. and why is that? You didn't read my post. It's okay though, you were going to comment without reading anyways. i read it. you went up against one of the best tankers int he game who has thrived in an environment that is heavily screwed against him. you are NOT the best forge gunner in the game. and yet you still managed to mess him up pretty good despite having no real knowledge of the mechanics involved. if you DID understand the mechanics involved he would of been rendered immobile.  so, now care to anwser my question? 
 Alright, ill humour you.
 
 No, i wasn't on a tower...because i didn't say i was on a tower.
 
 No, i wasn't forcing him into a corner...he decided to stop redline tanking and come in the open. Like i stated.
 
 My post wasn't meant to dictate AV philosophies, and it wasn't mean to promote strategies.
 
 I simply stated the fact that tanks aren't as weak as so many tankers make themselves out to be, and wanting a buff from it.
 
 Whatever else you took from my post, its an opinion of your accord.
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        |  Void Echo
 Echo Galactic Industries
 
 1003
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:38:00 -
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 Duran Lex wrote:Alright, ill humour you.
 
 No, i wasn't on a tower...because i didn't say i was on a tower.
 
 No, i wasn't forcing him into a corner...he decided to stop redline tanking and come in the open. Like i stated.
 
 My post wasn't meant to dictate AV philosophies, and it wasn't mean to promote strategies.
 
 I simply stated the fact that tanks aren't as weak as so many tankers make themselves out to be, and wanting a buff from it.
 
 Whatever else you took from my post, its an opinion of your accord.
 
 
 
 well at the state of tanks, they aren't worth their price, its 2 choices:
 
 1. reduce the cost of everything needed to fit a tank.
 2. buff tanks to actually make them worth their cost
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        |  Duran Lex
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 169
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:38:00 -
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 Heathen Bastard wrote:so, you took 8 shots in 15 minutes?
 that's not even one a minute. MY tank could survive that, and I'm ONLY 8mil into speccing.
 
 Yea, you are absolutely correct.
 
 See, i take my time to line up my shots.
 
 Who cares if it doesn't make sense?
 
 Glad to know someone is so keen on my state of mind.
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        |  Chances Ghost
 Inf4m0us
 
 427
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:39:00 -
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 Duran Lex wrote:
 Alright, ill humour you.
 
 No, i wasn't on a tower...because i didn't say i was on a tower.
 
 No, i wasn't forcing him into a corner...he decided to stop redline tanking and come in the open. Like i stated.
 
 My post wasn't meant to dictate AV philosophies, and it wasn't mean to promote strategies.
 
 I simply stated the fact that tanks aren't as weak as so many tankers make themselves out to be, and wanting a buff from it.
 
 Whatever else you took from my post, its an opinion of your accord.
 
 
 well if you were on a tower or other suitable position, just outside his rendering distance you would have NUKED HIM OFF THE PLANET, with no available recourse. and he wouldnt of even known where you were.
 
 so when we say fix tanks, we are referancing infantrys ability to abuse rendering to make vehicles obsolete
 
 
 so you QQ about tank effectivness is based off you not useing the tools available for you to kill them, not because they are unkillable.
 
 
 aka you couldnt kill him because you suck, not because tanks are fine and AV/tank balance is ok
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        |  Duran Lex
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 169
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:41:00 -
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 Chances Ghost wrote:Duran Lex wrote:
 Alright, ill humour you.
 
 No, i wasn't on a tower...because i didn't say i was on a tower.
 
 No, i wasn't forcing him into a corner...he decided to stop redline tanking and come in the open. Like i stated.
 
 My post wasn't meant to dictate AV philosophies, and it wasn't mean to promote strategies.
 
 I simply stated the fact that tanks aren't as weak as so many tankers make themselves out to be, and wanting a buff from it.
 
 Whatever else you took from my post, its an opinion of your accord.
 well if you were on a tower or other suitable position, just outside his rendering distance you would have NUKED HIM OFF THE PLANET, with no available recourse. and he wouldnt of even known where you were. so when we say fix tanks, we are referancing infantrys ability to abuse rendering to make vehicles obsolete so you QQ about tank effectivness is based off you not useing the tools available for you to kill them, not because they are unkillable. aka you couldnt kill him because you suck, not because tanks are fine and AV/tank balance is ok 
 And a single tank dictating the entire flow of the battlefield, because i was the sole AVer trying to take him out....ISN'T game breaking as well?
 
 Edit - i find it ridiculous that you claim i should use my game breaking rendering advantage to my use and simply dominate that tank with it....yet, a tank that doesn't require any shady use of game mechanics is okay? WTF are you on?
 
 I want balance, not trying to squeeze every piece of dps i can by abusing mechanics available to me.
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        |  DJINN leukoplast
 Hellstorm Inc
 League of Infamy
 
 1064
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:42:00 -
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 Duran Lex wrote:Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.
 Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.
 
 Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.
 
 I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.
 
 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.
 
 Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.
 
 Ass holes.
 
 
 Yup, I see these kinds of tankers all the time, and I always laugh when I see one of them QQ in the forums about their poor tank dying to militia swarms.. LOL, right.
  
 I think a lot of them just have an agenda going, QQ as much as they can (even though they are far from UP), and get buffed even more, to make them invincible like they want to be.
 
 If these std tanks can do what they do and take the beating they can take... just imagine when these turkeys get their proto tanks in 1.5 (along with a likely AV nerf due to all their QQ). It's going to be Chromosome tanks all over again, only destroyed by several dedicated squads of proto AV doing constant damage in a short period of time and hope the tank doesn't run off and rep at some insane rate... otherwise they are invincible.
 
 Damn tank scrubs, I can only hope in the future we get vehicle-free modes. I like to shoot infantry, not try to shoot infantry while simultaneously getting mauled by a tank, then switching to AV only to get mauled by infantry while I try to shoot the tank.
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        |  Void Echo
 Echo Galactic Industries
 
 1003
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.24 06:43:00 -
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 Duran Lex wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Duran Lex wrote:
 Alright, ill humour you.
 
 No, i wasn't on a tower...because i didn't say i was on a tower.
 
 No, i wasn't forcing him into a corner...he decided to stop redline tanking and come in the open. Like i stated.
 
 My post wasn't meant to dictate AV philosophies, and it wasn't mean to promote strategies.
 
 I simply stated the fact that tanks aren't as weak as so many tankers make themselves out to be, and wanting a buff from it.
 
 Whatever else you took from my post, its an opinion of your accord.
 well if you were on a tower or other suitable position, just outside his rendering distance you would have NUKED HIM OFF THE PLANET, with no available recourse. and he wouldnt of even known where you were. so when we say fix tanks, we are referancing infantrys ability to abuse rendering to make vehicles obsolete so you QQ about tank effectivness is based off you not useing the tools available for you to kill them, not because they are unkillable. aka you couldnt kill him because you suck, not because tanks are fine and AV/tank balance is ok And a single tank dictating the entire flow of the battlefield, because i was the sole AVer trying to take him out....ISN'T game breaking as well? 
 
 that's not game breaking, that's just what happens when there is no AV on the enemy team to counter us.
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