if you would read his 1st post, he claimed that he was trying to SOLO ONE OF THE BEST TANKERS IN THE GAME, of course he isn't going to succeed.


the way I would balance things is like this:


1 prototype tank = 3 prototype AV
1 advanced tank = 3 advanced AV
1 standard tank = 3 standard AV

however, if you have blue in your turrets, they will give you an extra survivability only if they have the same skill set as you do, this would also be needing the vehicle lock function we all want, that way if the right people were in the tank, it would be indestructible, but if its only the pilot, the tank would be killable but still do massive amounts of damage, nothing less.

this would greatly encourage the teamwork you want us to use, but it would have to be done right, and by right, I mean the pilot needs to have complete dominance over his own asset, otherwise tanks and vehicles in general would just be like BF.

AV grenades are way too powerful for the versatility they offer. If you can't see that, who do you really want this game to be balanced for? You or everyone?

I'm looking at your conversation now.

Saying it should take 3 AV to take out a tank, yet a tank should be able to solo is as biased as you can ******* get.

its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.

it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP.

Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes.

What makes ted one of the best tankers in the game, cause he can flip on a few modules and become invincible while he hides behind a hill to rep at a crazy amount

And sorry, 1 tank = 1 infantry player. 1 object for 1 object. You have a single tank operated by a single person (excluding those in turrets which can't actually maneuver the tank). You can move this death-squad on wheels by yourself and it is in a single location. And you want a minimum of 3 AV players to take it out? LOL. Yeah, the chances of 3 dedicated AV players all in the prime spot to take out a tank and somehow manage to avoid all the infantry players who shoot on sight when a red is in range... not good.

Also you think it should be a 3:1 ratio? You do realize that when an infantry player uses AV they are useless against other infantry players? (forge is the small exception). So if there is 2 tanks in the game, that means 6 infantry players are now out of the loop and hunting vehicles only.

With a 16 v 16 game, that means it's really 16 vs 10 (and two tanks on the enemy team). Yeah, ok buddy

clearly your completely ignoring the parts where im talking about how to introduce the style of teamwork you want us to use while still giving incentive to personally skill into your own tank.

please don't ignore the points im making, it just makes you look biased

Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.

Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.

Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.

I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.

8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.

Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.

Ass holes.

It's the fact i simply can't ignore your one comment about tanks should have the ability to solo.

Whatever else you want to balance, you still feel tanks should be a solo force able to withstand 3 AVers.

Thats way to unbalanced for me legitimately assume you are looking for balance.

Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.

Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.

Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.

I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.

8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.

Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.

Ass holes.

Remember that's only your perspective.
Learn the tank fitting science:

He was most likely a dual repper tank with double active hardener and possibly a damage control.

Sounds like you hit him in his prime - EVERYTHING on. Well if I'm in the firing zone of even a single proto forge that's what I'd do.
For the short period of time I believe tank can hold it's own vs one AV specialist without always going down.


The price of dualrep tanking?
Difficult management of modules - most of time trying to barely survive with one on.
If you fail the management, or after intentional dual rep cycle, you are paper thin.
Paper, as if instakillable by a single AV grenade dude, or maybe one-two shottable by any proper proto AV.

There lies a balance. That type of tanking is used only in HAV vs HAV or in scenario where's too heavy AV presence while still having enough deadzones to retreat after making a short appearance.

Sounds balanced to me.

Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.

Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.

Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.

I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.

8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.

Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.

Ass holes.

oh well, ignorance is what stupid has I suppose... I guess il just coy and past all my posts here so I can make my own thread on what vehicle balance should begin.

in a 15+minute match you only hit 8 times and calling tanks OP... geez that like i hit this guy with every round in a single clip... over the whole match why didn't he die?

so then, the point of this thread was to complain about how you cant solo one of the best tankers of the game because you weren't doing it right?

ROFLMAO

Yep, thats exactly what i said.

You got me!

so then, the point of this thread was to complain about how you cant solo one of the best tankers of the game?

for someone who doesn't have any sp in tanks, you sure act like you know everything about them

Void Echo, I'm curious to know how you think it's balanced if it requires 3 people to take out 1 tanker. That effectively takes three people off the field to combat the one person in the tank. Why is it necessary that a solo tank requires multiple people to kill?

I would understand it if each person in the HAV roughly meant another AV specialist required, but only if they were specced into vehicles as well. (Side note on this - I can't believe CCP still aren't working on vehicle locks.)

So I have a question - Do you think it should take multiple AV specialists to destroy one HAV with one pilot in, or do you think that it should be reserved for when you have multiple people in the tank?
If you think it should take multiple AV per solo HAV, could you explain what balances that, in your eyes?

Okay, I'm game for this part of child's play.

For someone who isn't fully specced into Forge Guns, Swarms launchers and Plasma cannons, you sure act like you know everything about them.

See how easy it is to play a child's game?

Is your next attempt going to point out that I'm in the Amarr Templars Corp?

Okay, I'm game for this part of child's play.

For someone who isn't fully specced into Forge Guns, Swarms launchers and Plasma cannons, you sure act like you know everything about them.

See how easy it is to play a child's game?

Is your next attempt going to point out that I'm in the Amarr Templars Corp?

yes I do, mainly because its a 50-ton or heavier vehicle that's over 3x larger than infantry is...

and even irl it occasionally takes one brave person to toss in a grenade but it also more times takes multiple people with rockets to destroy one, and look t the statistics, NONE of the modern American tanks have been destroyed yet. (that was for you people wanting this game to be like real life which is plain stupid as hell).


imho, size determines it all, look at eve (the game this game is MEANT to be made after), titans require multiple ships to destroy them, they can never be soloed.

3 things I have to say about your post..

1: your also ignoring my points when im talking about introducing teamplay like you want into tanks while still making it worth for a pilot to personally skill into them.

2: you fail to realize that when tankers spec into tanks, we completely give up our ability to fight outside of tanks unless we have enough SP to skill into infantry also, so don't come and talk to me about sacrifice.

3: I thought you were rational and un biased and actually looking for a decent conversation on the subject. guess I was wrong about you

yes I do, mainly because its a 50-ton or heavier vehicle that's over 3x larger than infantry is...

and even irl it occasionally takes one brave person to toss in a grenade but it also more times takes multiple people with rockets to destroy one, and look t the statistics, NONE of the modern American tanks have been destroyed yet. (that was for you people wanting this game to be like real life which is plain stupid as hell).


imho, size determines it all, look at eve (the game this game is MEANT to be made after), titans require multiple ships to destroy them, they can never be soloed.

.... Alright, then by your logic since Bowser is 3 times the size of Mario...i guess Mario shouldn't be able to defeat him?

See how bringing in logic from other games does nothing to help your cause?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Mario has nothing to do with this genre of games, LOL


Mario doesn't even come close to anything like fps.

im comparing it to EVE Online because it specifically sais that Dust 514 is part of the EVE universe and meant to be like it

Tanks are good against EVERYTHING, vehicles and infantry alike and have a crap ton of health along with OP modules. Tanks are also impervious to most infantry weapons, except AV.

AV is only good against vehicles, we are as squishy as any other infantry player and are vulnerable to EVERYTHING. You know less about sacrifice then you think. I play this game to kill infantry (this is a FPS, remember that), not to hunt down annoying vehicles and tanks for some meager reward (if I can get the kill) cause they are terrorizing me and my team and ruining the match.

And you knew going into this that I was not a fan of tanks, so don't give me that.