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Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 135	Posted - 2013.08.24 07:36:00 - [1] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER. Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks. Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank. I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5. 8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist. Yea....tanks seriously need a buff. Ass holes. I'm assuming this is a shield tank so... he most likely had a shield booster along with a shield hardener (~30%) activated at the time... this isn't including passive resistance which could be ~50% (With stacking penalties not taken into account). Also, he might've had a LLAV rep him/her using a shield transporter.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 136	Posted - 2013.08.24 07:43:00 - [2] - Quote Void Echo wrote: so then, the point of this thread was to complain about how you cant solo one of the best tankers of the game because you weren't doing it right? ROFLMAO Quote: Yep, thats exactly what i said. You got me!
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 137	Posted - 2013.08.24 08:05:00 - [3] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: 3 things I have to say about your post.. 1: your also ignoring my points when im talking about introducing teamplay like you want into tanks while still making it worth for a pilot to personally skill into them. 2: you fail to realize that when tankers spec into tanks, we completely give up our ability to fight outside of tanks unless we have enough SP to skill into infantry also, so don't come and talk to me about sacrifice. 3: I thought you were rational and un biased and actually looking for a decent conversation on the subject. guess I was wrong about you Tanks are good against EVERYTHING, vehicles and infantry alike and have a crap ton of health along with OP modules. *Tanks are also impervious to most infantry weapons, except AV.* AV is only good against vehicles, we are as squishy as any other infantry player and are vulnerable to EVERYTHING. You know less about sacrifice then you think. I play this game to kill infantry (this is a FPS, remember that), not to hunt down annoying vehicles and tanks for some meager reward (if I can get the kill) cause they are terrorizing me and my team and ruining the match. And you knew going into this that I was not a fan of tanks, so don't give me that. You want an AR to take down a tank? funny thing is... it won't be considered OP if that does happen.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 137	Posted - 2013.08.24 08:10:00 - [4] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Tanks are good against EVERYTHING, vehicles and infantry alike and have a crap ton of health along with OP modules. *Tanks are also impervious to most infantry weapons, except AV.* AV is only good against vehicles, we are as squishy as any other infantry player and are vulnerable to EVERYTHING. You know less about sacrifice then you think. I play this game to kill infantry (this is a FPS, remember that), not to hunt down annoying vehicles and tanks for some meager reward (if I can get the kill) cause they are terrorizing me and my team and ruining the match. And you knew going into this that I was not a fan of tanks, so don't give me that. You want an AR to take down a tank? funny thing is... it won't be considered OP if that does happen. You want a Tank to be able to take down the MCC? See? i can say random ** too. Random , eh? This Quote: You want an AR to take down a tank? was in response to Quote:** anks are also impervious to most infantry weapons, except AV. which makes it seem as if you want a weapon being effective at both AV and AI.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 138	Posted - 2013.08.24 08:29:00 - [5] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Void Echo wrote: both yes and no..... im not only trying to do something for myself, im trying to make tanking better so new people will actually want to skill into vehicles, so that this game doesn't end up as another boring regular FPS. Yet thats not your job. It's CCP's job to balance out vehicles and AV to make it better for new people. Hence the reason they are doing patch 1.5. Again, another argument thats invalid. By your logic... your argument it invalid.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 138	Posted - 2013.08.24 08:50:00 - [6] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Damn tank scrubs, I can only hope in the future we get vehicle-free modes. I like to shoot infantry, not try to shoot infantry while simultaneously getting mauled by a tank, then switching to AV only to get mauled by infantry while I try to shoot the tank. And there you have it. Activision is waiting with their arms open. You're obviously on the wrong game. You sir, you speak the truth! Now... wait for the trolls to come.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 138	Posted - 2013.08.24 08:55:00 - [7] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Damn tank scrubs, I can only hope in the future we get vehicle-free modes. I like to shoot infantry, not try to shoot infantry while simultaneously getting mauled by a tank, then switching to AV only to get mauled by infantry while I try to shoot the tank. And there you have it. Activision is waiting with their arms open. You're obviously on the wrong game. yep.... that game is called Call of Duty.. i wonder why he plays this game Probably because he sucks there So, he is hoping to be the best here.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 138	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:04:00 - [8] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Void Echo wrote: yep.... that game is called Call of Duty.. i wonder why he plays this game Probably because he sucks there So, he is hoping to be the best here. Interestingly enough I have done better in Dust than most every other FPS I have played, including COD. And sorry, haven't played COD since Black Ops. Try again. All you did was prove us right... Quote: I have done better in Dust than most every other FPS I have played, including COD. Quote: haven't played COD since Black Ops.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 140	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:20:00 - [9] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Void Echo wrote: so then, the point of this thread was to complain about how you cant solo one of the best tankers of the game because you weren't doing it right? ROFLMAO Duran Lex wrote: Yep, thats exactly what i said. You got me! I want to buy you a beer. Perfect
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 140	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:21:00 - [10] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice Look who's talking

Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 141	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:32:00 - [11] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice Look who's talking Please elaborate. You [Us] AV users don't want to be in a squad to be able to destroy Vehicle users so, why should we be in a squad to be able to protect ourselves?
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 141	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:47:00 - [12] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Look who's talking Please elaborate. You [Us] AV users don't want to be in a squad to be able to destroy Vehicle users so, why should we be in a squad to be able to protect ourselves? Well AV players currently have to be in a squad to take on players such as Ted Nugget and his tank, so why can tankers solo it and not us? Do you need to be in a squad to do that? Both are able to solo (Somewhat [Tanks are a little harder]). The real question here is why can AV users solo and yet, Vehicle users can't?
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 142	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:52:00 - [13] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Blaze Ashra wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice I know from experience that is not the case going against void. My advice is do not use swarms at all, don't bring in any vehicles, get a sniper rifle and contact grenades and kill his death squad and stay away from the front lines no matter what. So why the hell is he bitching so much about tanks being UP against AV? Clearly he has a lust for power and wants to be invincible like most tankers out there. Quote: So why the hell is he bitching so much about tanks being UP against AV? Why the hell are you bitching so much about AV being UP against Vehicles? Clearly he has a lust for power and wants to be invincible like most Infantry out there. Weren't you just complaining about tankers not being in a squad? That shows teamwork.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 142	Posted - 2013.08.24 10:05:00 - [14] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Do you need to be in a squad to do that? Both are able to solo (Somewhat [Tanks are a little harder]). The real question here is why can AV users solo and yet, Vehicle users can't? Haha, really? You link lowrates video for that example? Hey he also got a laser rifle kill too, NERF LASER RIFLES!!!! He destroyed a noob Sica player, likely with no decent modules at all and clearly stupid enough to do what he did, why you use that as an example is beyond me. Yes, noob tankers get destroyed easily. Is this really the topic of debate here? I'm sure there is thousands of videos of noob infantry players getting slaughtered by a tank too. True. I'm just showing you that you can solo a tank... Gasp who'd have thought? Quote: Well AV players currently have to be in a squad to take on players such as Ted Nugget and his tank, so why can tankers solo it and not us? Thing is, you can easily solo a tank. I'm sure you can find dozens of videos showing an AV user soloing a Vehicle user; why do the work myself?
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 142	Posted - 2013.08.24 10:14:00 - [15] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Touche, shame it had to be out of context for you to make a valid counter-point I wonder what the ratio of tanks soloing infantry players vs infantry soloing tanks? Hmmm Quote: shame it had to be out of context for you to make a valid counter-point Out of context? we were still on the topic of Quote: Well AV players currently have to be in a squad to take on players such as Ted Nugget and his tank, so why can tankers solo it and not us? I just provided proof that AV users can solo a tank. Might not be the best proof but, at least its somethin'. If you want better, look for it yourself. Quote: I wonder what the ratio of tanks soloing infantry players vs infantry soloing tanks? Something like 1:10 in the infantry's favor I presume
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 10:34:00 - [16] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: I wonder what the ratio of tanks soloing infantry players vs infantry soloing tanks? Something like 1:10 in the infantry's favor I presume Hehe, 1:10 in infantry's favor, you troll you! Ah well, I'm done here, haven't played dust yet tonight cause of this dang forum, and only got a half-hour left till DT. Good debating, till another day. Til' another day.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 10:45:00 - [17] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: I just want to throw this in. The whole rendering "issue" is complete nonsense! I have been instapopped by redline rail tanks that were a good 400 - 500 m out. They were in fact so far out that they did not turn my Forge Gun reticule's color indicating they were in range. No, before you talk smack, I was NOT in a tower sniping position. I was on the ground holding an objective, trying to push the tank off of our installations while getting sniped, dodging murder taxis, core locus grenades, mass driver spam, and everything else that is the bane of my existence as a heavy! So let me ask you, how did the rail tank hit me from so far away if, like many claim "forge gunners don't render at long distances" WAHHHHH BOOOO HOOOOOO. I agree 100% with the OP. There are too many tankers who just want invincibility while sitting in their nice cozy little death machine. My corp has several tankers who never-NEVER complain about tanks being UP. In fact these guys score 1st place on end of match every time they play with 2500+ WP without even trying very hard! I have seen them score 3500+ WP with like 50 - 60 kills. Just yesterday I was playing in a squad with one of our tankers, and the ENTIRE match he was LAUGHING at the AV guys with swarms because they could not take his tank down! Tankers need to seriously learn how to play their role and HTFU or go find another game that they can be more successful at. Perhaps something like this would better suit you crybabies! Aww.... thats just mean Jaraiya Rail-Guns have a max range of 600m so, it should be able to kill you within that range don't you think? Its a shame I've never met these tankers of yours... must never be on when they are. Quote: Just yesterday I was playing in a squad with one of our tankers, and the ENTIRE match he was LAUGHING at the AV guys with swarms because they could not take his tank down! This is what happens when you fit your tank smartly!
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 11:12:00 - [18] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Aww.... thats just mean Jaraiya Rail-Guns have a max range of 600m so, it should be able to kill you within that range don't you think? Its a shame I've never met these tankers of yours... must never be on when they are. Quote: Just yesterday I was playing in a squad with one of our tankers, and the ENTIRE match he was LAUGHING at the AV guys with swarms because they could not take his tank down! This is what happens when you fit your tank smartly! I'm pretty damn sure you're exaggerating about the 50-60 kills though. Also, not everyone has the same problems. Not exaggerating at all. Maybe it was all noobs idiotically trying to shoot his tank with their AR, I don't know, but yea 50 - 60 kills in one match on a skirmish. This was on top of the installations he destroyed. Damn.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 20:46:00 - [19] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Void Echo wrote: not in the slightest, there are still major things that aren't right with the balance, however those only make up part of the balance. certain subjects of this imbalance are quite obvious: no advanced or prototype tanks. invisible swarms and infantry. horrible rendering. core mechanics. AV convenience when it comes to AV grenades. etc etc. the only thing that would be beneficial in starting the overhaul of this imbalance would be to bring in advanced and prototype tanks. only then could we begin, otherwise wed be back to where we are now. and squads are fine il admit, but they aren't ideal for survival, especially if your squad doesn't care about your tank nor does your team which is what happens 95% of the time. tanks need lone survivability, otherwise theres no incentive to skill into them other than waving the currently biggest weapon around pointing it at your enemy's faces I agree with most of your post, except the bolded part. They don't need lone survivability, you just need better friends. First, it should take more AV then one person can carry to bring a vehicle down. Just as a tank should be operated by more then 1 person for maximum benefit. Second, there should be no man portable weapon that can out range a tank, especially in render distance. Equal range or less. The only exception here might be blaster turrets, as they are a close range high damage choice. But that should be made perfectly clear in the show info tab, so that people know the ranges that they are choosing to fit to their chassis. Thirdly, calling in an HAV into a public match with no friends should be a high risk choice. You should be risking a very high cost machine, that doesn't guarantee you a killing machine if you can't find the right people to accompany you. I'm not sure of the viability of this, but hopping into someone's vehicle should give the driver the option to add them to their voice channel/squad. This will help facilitate the coordination it should require to dominate the battlefield. Along with this, drivers need the kick function. One that will prevent the kicked person from hopping back in, for at least several minutes, maybe even the duration of the match. yes, we do need lone survivability, why else do we have the ability to personally skilling into tanks ourselves instead having it like BF. its for us personally to use them, if you take away our effectiveness as a lone tanker, you remove the incentive to skill into them. I know I didn't skill into tanks so random people could get in the gunner seat, I skilled into it so I could use it myself You know, people are pushing to make it so you can't control the main gun if you're the driver.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 20:48:00 - [20] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Void Echo wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Void Echo wrote: not in the slightest, there are still major things that aren't right with the balance, however those only make up part of the balance. certain subjects of this imbalance are quite obvious: no advanced or prototype tanks. invisible swarms and infantry. horrible rendering. core mechanics. AV convenience when it comes to AV grenades. etc etc. the only thing that would be beneficial in starting the overhaul of this imbalance would be to bring in advanced and prototype tanks. only then could we begin, otherwise wed be back to where we are now. and squads are fine il admit, but they aren't ideal for survival, especially if your squad doesn't care about your tank nor does your team which is what happens 95% of the time. tanks need lone survivability, otherwise theres no incentive to skill into them other than waving the currently biggest weapon around pointing it at your enemy's faces I agree with most of your post, except the bolded part. They don't need lone survivability, you just need better friends. First, it should take more AV then one person can carry to bring a vehicle down. Just as a tank should be operated by more then 1 person for maximum benefit. Second, there should be no man portable weapon that can out range a tank, especially in render distance. Equal range or less. The only exception here might be blaster turrets, as they are a close range high damage choice. But that should be made perfectly clear in the show info tab, so that people know the ranges that they are choosing to fit to their chassis. Thirdly, calling in an HAV into a public match with no friends should be a high risk choice. You should be risking a very high cost machine, that doesn't guarantee you a killing machine if you can't find the right people to accompany you. I'm not sure of the viability of this, but hopping into someone's vehicle should give the driver the option to add them to their voice channel/squad. This will help facilitate the coordination it should require to dominate the battlefield. Along with this, drivers need the kick function. One that will prevent the kicked person from hopping back in, for at least several minutes, maybe even the duration of the match. yes, we do need lone survivability, why else do we have the ability to personally skilling into tanks ourselves instead having it like BF. its for us personally to use them, if you take away our effectiveness as a lone tanker, you remove the incentive to skill into them. I know I didn't skill into tanks so random people could get in the gunner seat, I skilled into it so I could use it myself You know, people are pushing to make it so you can't control the main gun if you're the driver. theyv been trying to do that for months now, if it happens, tanks lose all their value, who in the game would skill into just driving tanks. Seems like CCP is considering it

Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 21:12:00 - [21] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Seems like CCP is considering it please link it CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Update: We do have plans on making HAV more tactical in the future. Link
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 22:52:00 - [22] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Void Echo wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Seems like CCP is considering it please link it CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Update: We do have plans on making HAV more tactical in the future. Link tactical does not mean completely useless I never said it was going to make it completely useless. I just mentioned that they were considering options to make the HAV more... squad oriented.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 23:08:00 - [23] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: What if I were to go back to tanks and there is no longer a Red Line? I have the SP for it... Only if you have the ISK for it
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 23:16:00 - [24] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: What if I were to go back to tanks and there is no longer a Red Line? I have the SP for it... Only if you have the ISK for it My bad, I forgot that even with 463,948,885 ISK it's not enough to cover any of my losses. You're close; you just need to send me 200,000,000 and then you'll be ready.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 23:19:00 - [25] - Quote Ted Nugget wrote: I don't try an manipulate the game to my advantage. I use what was given to me to have fun. As intended Meh... its boring if you're not playing it with corpmates.