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DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1076	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:10:00 - [151] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Cosgar wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: at the attitude you have, I have come to realize that you think 3 people required to take one thing out makes that think OP, but its not, its just too team oriented for you to grasp it.. iv recently started rolling in a teamlike spirit and I don't die as often anymore, maybe you should give it a try since all your doing is trying to solo us like scrubby little infantry So since you don't die as much when rolling properly with a team/squad, then tanks and AV are fine right? Didn't you make a topic where you wanted squad play nerfed? Edit: Found it. LOL Yeah that's right, he's in ambush. Tankers on the forums go to skirmish/domination. He has no place posting here. Wow... Oh my.... LOL. Tankers from this forum only go to skirmish and domination, wow, boy I wish that was the case. Actually, tanks go to ambush for little risk and high reward, it is where they are the most powerful in this game. And they are absolutely destroying that mode. If you tank and only play skirmish and domination, you are somebody I can respect. But the douche tankers who frequent ambush are one of the bigger problems with tanks in this game. I see many well-known tankers from this forum in bush, and quite a lot from the D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E alliance and SVER too.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 457	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:12:00 - [152] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: Void Echo wrote: so then, the point of this thread was to complain about how you cant solo one of the best tankers of the game because you weren't doing it right? ROFLMAO Duran Lex wrote: Yep, thats exactly what i said. You got me! I want to buy you a beer. Perfect
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1016	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:14:00 - [153] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Cosgar wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: at the attitude you have, I have come to realize that you think 3 people required to take one thing out makes that think OP, but its not, its just too team oriented for you to grasp it.. iv recently started rolling in a teamlike spirit and I don't die as often anymore, maybe you should give it a try since all your doing is trying to solo us like scrubby little infantry So since you don't die as much when rolling properly with a team/squad, then tanks and AV are fine right? Didn't you make a topic where you wanted squad play nerfed? Edit: Found it. LOL Yeah that's right, he's in ambush. Tankers on the forums go to skirmish/domination. He has no place posting here. Wow... Oh my.... LOL. Tankers from this forum only go to skirmish and domination, wow, boy I wish that was the case. Actually, tanks go to ambush for little risk and high reward, it is where they are the most powerful in this game. And they are absolutely destroying that mode. If you tank and only play skirmish and domination, you are somebody I can respect. But the douche tankers who frequent ambush are one of the bigger problems with tanks in this game. I see many well-known tankers from this forum in bush, and quite a lot from the D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E alliance and SVER too. not the same ambush i go into, the ambushes im in have AV coming from every direction, im never safe in ambush, i prefer skirmish and domination, at least then i know from which direction the av is coming from and i know i have a safe place to go when im in trouble. when i in ambush, il mostly go assault type with my militia gear.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 457	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:15:00 - [154] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Void Echo wrote: for someone who doesn't have any sp in tanks, you sure act like you know everything about them Okay, I'm game for this part of child's play. For someone who isn't fully specced into Forge Guns, Swarms launchers and Plasma cannons, you sure act like you know everything about them. See how easy it is to play a child's game? Is your next attempt going to point out that I'm in the Amarr Templars Corp? I used to use the Ishukone forge, during Chromosome. I used to try to solo tanks often, and you know what? More than half the time, I couldn't, because the damage output of my one AV weapon simply wasn't enough to destroy it, because it was just too little to negate the booster/repper. Now, when I did it in teams, it worked, because 2 people using their brains could destroy a tank easily enough. I've been on the AV side too, albeit months ago. It's pretty damn hard to do it by yourself. Dunno why you're complaining.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 457	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:18:00 - [155] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: I play this game to kill infantry (this is a FPS, remember that), Call of Duty I'll say it again. You're on the wrong game.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1076	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:18:00 - [156] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: All you did was prove us right... Quote: I have done better in Dust than most every other FPS I have played, including COD. Quote: haven't played COD since Black Ops. Well lets see, if I suck at COD and do better here, then that means Dust is more noob than COD? Therefore using COD as a method to attack a players skill, only makes you look like a noob in the FPS world cause you're playing a game that requires less skill than COD?
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1076	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:20:00 - [157] - Quote Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 140	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:20:00 - [158] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Void Echo wrote: so then, the point of this thread was to complain about how you cant solo one of the best tankers of the game because you weren't doing it right? ROFLMAO Duran Lex wrote: Yep, thats exactly what i said. You got me! I want to buy you a beer. Perfect
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 140	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:21:00 - [159] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice Look who's talking
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 431	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:23:00 - [160] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice the problem is we want to squad with infantry AV and take on tanks together, but you dont need us

Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 457	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:24:00 - [161] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Void Echo, I'm curious to know how you think it's balanced if it requires 3 people to take out 1 tanker. That effectively takes three people off the field to combat the one person in the tank. Why is it necessary that a solo tank requires multiple people to kill? I would understand it if each person in the HAV roughly meant another AV specialist required, but only if they were specced into vehicles as well. (Side note on this - I can't believe CCP still aren't working on vehicle locks.) So I have a question - Do you think it should take multiple AV specialists to destroy one HAV with one pilot in, or do you think that it should be reserved for when you have multiple people in the tank? If you think it should take multiple AV per solo HAV, could you explain what balances that, in your eyes? yes I do, mainly because its a 50-ton or heavier vehicle that's over 3x larger than infantry is... and even irl it occasionally takes one brave person to toss in a grenade but it also more times takes multiple people with rockets to destroy one, and look t the statistics, NONE of the modern American tanks have been destroyed yet. (that was for you people wanting this game to be like real life which is plain stupid as hell). imho, size determines it all, look at eve (the game this game is MEANT to be made after), titans require multiple ships to destroy them, they can never be soloed. If size (and HP) is the name of the game, then why do I get popped by solo snipers as a heavy forger gunner? I mean it should require at least 3 snipers to take me out cause I have so much HP and girth. - Sniper meets HMG heavy in the street head to head... sniper gets stomped before they even realizes WTF happened. - Heavy meets sniper on a map, sniper has extreme range and the heavy has no idea where the shots are coming from... heavy gets stomped trying to run away in a direction he hopes is the correct one at the speed of slow. Seems very similar, doesn't it? I guess you didn't see the thread I posted a while ago about how a guy with a Thale's killed me in my heavy suit in one shot. Wanna know why? Weaponry 5, proficiency to at least 3, high damage weapon, damage mods. This was during Chromosome. Yeah, I was pretty damn pissed about it.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1076	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:27:00 - [162] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice the problem is we want to squad with infantry AV and take on tanks together, but you dont need us Hey if i could press a magical button to have a freindly tanker roll in to take on the enemy tank, then that would be great. Sadly tankers for the most part only call in a tank to whoop defenseless infantry ass (until the infantry gets pissed off enough to bring AV). The only way to take on a tank shouldn't be another tank. As that is when something is clearly OP. Things need to have multiple counters, not just one, to be balanced.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 458	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:29:00 - [163] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: A solid, logical argument. Yes
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1077	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:30:00 - [164] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice Look who's talking Please elaborate.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 458	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:31:00 - [165] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: yep it does, and does it not take down more health for you when you shot in the head than everywhere else? Yes, it does. And I am curious as to where you are going with this. Cause to my knowledge, tanks have no such "headshot" multipliers. Which is another nail in the coffin for AV players. LOL Damage bonus on the motor. You're practically begging to be trolled.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 141	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:32:00 - [166] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice Look who's talking Please elaborate. You [Us] AV users don't want to be in a squad to be able to destroy Vehicle users so, why should we be in a squad to be able to protect ourselves?
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 432	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:33:00 - [167] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215512#post1215512 thread to discuss exactly what gameplay we want to see as far as AV/tank interaction and gameplay do not bring you flame wars here, discuss things like men and not people ignoring the real issues. the problem is how do we make tanks relevant without replacing infantry AV post in there what you want to see and how you would achieve it.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1077	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:33:00 - [168] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: I guess you didn't see the thread I posted a while ago about how a guy with a Thale's killed me in my heavy suit in one shot. Wanna know why? Weaponry 5, proficiency to at least 3, high damage weapon, damage mods. This was during Chromosome. Yeah, I was pretty damn pissed about it. Ok, and your point is?
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 458	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:36:00 - [169] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Cosgar wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: at the attitude you have, I have come to realize that you think 3 people required to take one thing out makes that think OP, but its not, its just too team oriented for you to grasp it.. iv recently started rolling in a teamlike spirit and I don't die as often anymore, maybe you should give it a try since all your doing is trying to solo us like scrubby little infantry So since you don't die as much when rolling properly with a team/squad, then tanks and AV are fine right? Didn't you make a topic where you wanted squad play nerfed? Edit: Found it. LOL Yeah that's right, he's in ambush. Tankers on the forums go to skirmish/domination. He has no place posting here. Wow... Oh my.... LOL. Tankers from this forum only go to skirmish and domination, wow, boy I wish that was the case. Actually, tanks go to ambush for little risk and high reward, it is where they are the most powerful in this game. And they are absolutely destroying that mode. If you tank and only play skirmish and domination, you are somebody I can respect. But the douche tankers who frequent ambush are one of the bigger problems with tanks in this game. I see many well-known tankers from this forum in bush, and quite a lot from the D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E alliance and SVER too. So roll in a squad with 4 PRO forge and 2 logis. Problem solved. Do you want me to play for you too?
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1077	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:36:00 - [170] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice Look who's talking Please elaborate. You [Us] AV users don't want to be in a squad to be able to destroy Vehicle users so, why should we be in a squad to be able to protect ourselves? Well AV players currently have to be in a squad to take on players such as Ted Nugget and his tank, so why can tankers solo it and not us?

DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1077	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:38:00 - [171] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: So roll in a squad with 4 PRO forge and 2 logis. Problem solved. Do you want me to play for you too? Just roll with a PRO squad of assault and sniper players who can take out all AV before it is even used. Or do I need to spell it out for you?
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 458	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:38:00 - [172] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice the problem is we want to squad with infantry AV and take on tanks together, but you dont need us Hey if i could press a magical button to have a freindly tanker roll in to take on the enemy tank, then that would be great. Sadly tankers for the most part only call in a tank to whoop defenseless infantry ass (until the infantry gets pissed off enough to bring AV). The only way to take on a tank shouldn't be another tank. As that is when something is clearly OP. Things need to have multiple counters, not just one, to be balanced. LOL Then hire tankers. What do you call on to take out a sniper? A heavy? Another sniper would require the least amount of time to track one down and kill the enemy sniper. Just send me your account info so I can play for you, because you're obviously doing everything wrong.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 458	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:40:00 - [173] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I guess you didn't see the thread I posted a while ago about how a guy with a Thale's killed me in my heavy suit in one shot. Wanna know why? Weaponry 5, proficiency to at least 3, high damage weapon, damage mods. This was during Chromosome. Yeah, I was pretty damn pissed about it. Ok, and your point is? You were complaining about getting sniped by one person when you were in a heavy suit. So I posted about an experience I had, in my heavy suit, and how a sniper killed me.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 45	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:40:00 - [174] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Void Echo, I'm curious to know how you think it's balanced if it requires 3 people to take out 1 tanker. That effectively takes three people off the field to combat the one person in the tank. Why is it necessary that a solo tank requires multiple people to kill? I would understand it if each person in the HAV roughly meant another AV specialist required, but only if they were specced into vehicles as well. (Side note on this - I can't believe CCP still aren't working on vehicle locks.) So I have a question - Do you think it should take multiple AV specialists to destroy one HAV with one pilot in, or do you think that it should be reserved for when you have multiple people in the tank? If you think it should take multiple AV per solo HAV, could you explain what balances that, in your eyes? How much SP and ISK does it cost to go proto AV? 1.5mil SP and 50k ISK. How much for a tank now? A basic tank? 5+ mil SP and 500k+ ISK Tell me how those investments are even? I could imagine some kind of balance if AV DPS was reduced but the ammosupply was increased. You don't have to destroy a tank to make it useless.. Just pester it enough so that it can't engage for fear oh it's HP consumption, and the tank is forced to withdraw.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 458	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:43:00 - [175] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: So roll in a squad with 4 PRO forge and 2 logis. Problem solved. Do you want me to play for you too? Just roll with a PRO squad of assault and sniper players who can take out all AV before it is even used. Or do I need to spell it out for you? LOL I'm not the one complaining about rolling alone. I know the risks I face when I go alone, and in a squad. But sometimes, my assault guys don't run with the tanks to cover us, and you know what? That's fine with me, because blue dots have the collective IQ of a paramecium, and someone has to hold circle to take objectives. You don't complain about "me and my 3 other buddies who also were using ADV/PRO AV weapons couldn't take out a tank" - THAT would be an overpowered tank. You always say "I." That means you, one solo person. Of COURSE you shouldn't be able to take out someone with decent tank smarts.
Blaze Ashra Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:43:00 - [176] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice I know from experience that is not the case going against void. My advice is do not use swarms at all, don't bring in any vehicles, get a sniper rifle and contact grenades and kill his death squad and stay away from the front lines no matter what.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1079	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:46:00 - [177] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I guess you didn't see the thread I posted a while ago about how a guy with a Thale's killed me in my heavy suit in one shot. Wanna know why? Weaponry 5, proficiency to at least 3, high damage weapon, damage mods. This was during Chromosome. Yeah, I was pretty damn pissed about it. Ok, and your point is? You were complaining about getting sniped by one person when you were in a heavy suit. So I posted about an experience I had, in my heavy suit, and how a sniper killed me. Well I figured that much, but how does it reflect the current state of AV vs vehicles with that topic in mind? Sniper vs heavy is like a forge vs a tank. Your example showed how a heavy can get OHK by a sniper. But to my knowledge, no std tank is being OHK by a forge gunner.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 141	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:47:00 - [178] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Look who's talking Please elaborate. You [Us] AV users don't want to be in a squad to be able to destroy Vehicle users so, why should we be in a squad to be able to protect ourselves? Well AV players currently have to be in a squad to take on players such as Ted Nugget and his tank, so why can tankers solo it and not us? Do you need to be in a squad to do that? Both are able to solo (Somewhat [Tanks are a little harder]). The real question here is why can AV users solo and yet, Vehicle users can't?
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1079	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:48:00 - [179] - Quote Blaze Ashra wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice I know from experience that is not the case going against void. My advice is do not use swarms at all, don't bring in any vehicles, get a sniper rifle and contact grenades and kill his death squad and stay away from the front lines no matter what. So why the hell is he bitching so much about tanks being UP against AV? Clearly he has a lust for power and wants to be invincible like most tankers out there.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 459	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:48:00 - [180] - Quote Blaze Ashra wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Void Echo wrote: there far too lazy to do that you know Just like tankers are too lazy to get a squad together to protect their "UP" tanks? Mhmmm Mountain man voice I know from experience that is not the case going against void. My advice is do not use swarms at all, don't bring in any vehicles, get a sniper rifle and contact grenades and kill his death squad and stay away from the front lines no matter what. Sounds like a good squad to roll with.



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