What's up with the Corp. name?

its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.

it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP.

Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes.

? Interesting.

Not impressive in the slightest...but when tanks say they are so underpowered in takes a single FG clip from an assault to pop em....

Instances like these tend to tell a different story.

Alright, ill humour you.

No, i wasn't on a tower...because i didn't say i was on a tower.

No, i wasn't forcing him into a corner...he decided to stop redline tanking and come in the open. Like i stated.

My post wasn't meant to dictate AV philosophies, and it wasn't mean to promote strategies.

I simply stated the fact that tanks aren't as weak as so many tankers make themselves out to be, and wanting a buff from it.

Whatever else you took from my post, its an opinion of your accord.

And a single tank dictating the entire flow of the battlefield, because i was the sole AVer trying to take him out....ISN'T game breaking as well?

Yup, I see these kinds of tankers all the time, and I always laugh when I see one of them QQ in the forums about their poor tank dying to militia swarms.. LOL, right.

I think a lot of them just have an agenda going, QQ as much as they can (even though they are far from UP), and get buffed even more, to make them invincible like they want to be.

If these std tanks can do what they do and take the beating they can take... just imagine when these turkeys get their proto tanks in 1.5 (along with a likely AV nerf due to all their QQ). It's going to be Chromosome tanks all over again, only destroyed by several dedicated squads of proto AV doing constant damage in a short period of time... otherwise they are invincible.

Damn tank scrubs, I can only hope in the future we get vehicle-free modes. I like to shoot infantry, not try to shoot infantry while simultaneously getting mauled by a tank, then switching to AV only to get mauled by infantry while I try to shoot the tank.

Yet when there's an entire team of AV countering your tanks, its OP? i don't understand such logic.

Obviously 1 AVer isn't destroying an entire team of tanks, yet i see so many posts saying 1 AV can take out properly fitted tanks like pinatas.

Again, you aren't grasping the point of my post.

Tanks hate the fact that 1 AV can completely destroy their tank, or make them completely useless .... which is false.

My only point, and argument.

Edit - When concerning properly fitted tanks. cause we all know theres a huge gap between starting out tanking with MLT and no resistance skills, and a properly skilled and fitted tank.

errrrrr... lolderpships?

So since you don't die as much when rolling properly with a team/squad, then tanks and AV are fine right?

This just became another bullshit "A fully specced AVer cannot solo kill a tank, even though I'm claiming they have the ability to easily kill said tank solo" thread thanks to you die hard god machines.

Jesus, no wonder Wang got fed up with you *******.

Everyone single one of you "vet" tankers will quit when patch 1.5 releases, because it wont be the god mode you wanted back.

/thread on my part

Advanced and proto are the only effective AV against std tanks (adv swarms are garbage, only adv forge is worthwhile)... that alone should say something. Just imagine if the OP was using std AV to try to take out teds tank... he could have spent all night shooting him and nothing would have ever happened.

Also the op had used proto forge and yet he didn't make a dent. Which is BS. Once your invincible noob-proto tanks arrive, there will be nothing in the game powerful enough to take them out unless half the team is using proto AV and is focused 100% on one proto tank.

You ask for adv and proto tanks, yet somehow these std tanks are doing just fine against proto AV. We see it happen all the time, so you should try to up your game and become a better tanker rather than ask for buffs that aren't needed.

I said i was done with this thread...but god damn i looked back at this thread and saw a red flag.

So you feel that it should take at the least, 3 AVers to take out a tank...

but you want to have the ability to solo the entire playfield? Are you ******* serious?

Yea man...you are ALL about the balance.

I'm looking at your conversation now.

Saying it should take 3 AV to take out a tank, yet a tank should be able to solo is as biased as you can ******* get.

What makes ted one of the best tankers in the game, cause he can flip on a few modules and become invincible while he hides behind a hill to rep at a crazy amount

And sorry, 1 tank = 1 infantry player. 1 object for 1 object. You have a single tank operated by a single person (excluding those in turrets which can't actually maneuver the tank). You can move this death-squad on wheels by yourself and it is in a single location. And you want a minimum of 3 AV players to take it out? LOL. Yeah, the chances of 3 dedicated AV players all in the prime spot to take out a tank and somehow manage to avoid all the infantry players who shoot on sight when a red is in range... not good.

Also you think it should be a 3:1 ratio? You do realize that when an infantry player uses AV they are useless against other infantry players? (forge is the small exception). So if there is 2 tanks in the game, that means 6 infantry players are now out of the loop and hunting vehicles only.

With a 16 v 16 game, that means it's really 16 vs 10 (and two tanks on the enemy team). Yeah, ok buddy

It's the fact i simply can't ignore your one comment about tanks should have the ability to solo.

Whatever else you want to balance, you still feel tanks should be a solo force able to withstand 3 AVers.

Thats way to unbalanced for me legitimately assume you are looking for balance.

Void Echo, I'm curious to know how you think it's balanced if it requires 3 people to take out 1 tanker. That effectively takes three people off the field to combat the one person in the tank. Why is it necessary that a solo tank requires multiple people to kill?

I would understand it if each person in the HAV roughly meant another AV specialist required, but only if they were specced into vehicles as well. (Side note on this - I can't believe CCP still aren't working on vehicle locks.)

So I have a question - Do you think it should take multiple AV specialists to destroy one HAV with one pilot in, or do you think that it should be reserved for when you have multiple people in the tank?
If you think it should take multiple AV per solo HAV, could you explain what balances that, in your eyes?

Okay, I'm game for this part of child's play.

For someone who isn't fully specced into Forge Guns, Swarms launchers and Plasma cannons, you sure act like you know everything about them.

See how easy it is to play a child's game?

Is your next attempt going to point out that I'm in the Amarr Templars Corp?

.... Alright, then by your logic since Bowser is 3 times the size of Mario...i guess Mario shouldn't be able to defeat him?

See how bringing in logic from other games does nothing to help your cause?

Tanks are good against EVERYTHING, vehicles and infantry alike and have a crap ton of health along with OP modules. Tanks are also impervious to most infantry weapons, except AV.

AV is only good against vehicles, we are as squishy as any other infantry player and are vulnerable to EVERYTHING. You know less about sacrifice then you think. I play this game to kill infantry (this is a FPS, remember that), not to hunt down annoying vehicles and tanks for some meager reward (if I can get the kill) cause they are terrorizing me and my team and ruining the match.

And you knew going into this that I was not a fan of tanks, so don't give me that.

I'm asking what the balancing gameplay factor is - "It's a 50 ton vehicle" doesn't really answer that, unfortunately.

Basing things in a game on how it works IRL is a silly way to do things, I agree - besides which shielding and armour systems are much much better than what we have right now.

I'm a little dubious about your example though - A titan can't really be soloed, no, but a battleship can be soloed by a frigate., for example. The titan is the edge case, much like the MCC. Do you mean to say that you think the cost is the balancing factor?

What do you think the balancing gameplay factor is to make tanks worth multiple AV to destroy?

Yet the genre of games are completely different.

Maybe you should follow your own advice.

You want a Tank to be able to take down the MCC?

See? i can say random **** too.

That's where your mentality is flawed.

Tanks are the tanks of dust. That is all.

Until EVE develops tanks for use in their game, comparing tanks to spaceships is pretty ******* out there.

I'm asking what the balancing gameplay factor is - "It's a 50 ton vehicle" doesn't really answer that, unfortunately.

Basing things in a game on how it works IRL is a silly way to do things, I agree - besides which shielding and armour systems are much much better than what we have right now.

I'm a little dubious about your example though - A titan can't really be soloed, no, but a battleship can be soloed by a frigate., for example. The titan is the edge case, much like the MCC. Do you mean to say that you think the cost is the balancing factor?

What do you think the balancing gameplay factor is to make tanks worth multiple AV to destroy?

No, but a vehicle that can navigate in the closed vacuum of space in an entirely different game, is fundamentally different then a vehicle that can only navigate on the surface of a planet.

You know, a circle is a different shape then a square.

I would find your argument relevant, if there wasn't a patch coming next month that is reworking the entirety of the Vehicle and AV.

So, until that happens....yea, we know initially skilling into tanks means you are water balloons ready to pop until you get 8mil SP to start skilling into proper resistances.

but that wasn't your argument this whole time was it?

Again, claiming tanks are **** (which again, I don't disagree with) doesn't suggest a valid reason for making tanks take multiple AV to destroy.
Can we try and have a productive discussion? I'm sure you're perfectly capable of suggesting actual gameplay factors, as an experienced tanker, but to do that we need to throw away ideas of 'This is how it should be' and come up with 'This is how it should be BECAUSE -reason-'. What is the gameplay reason for your suggestion? How can it be justified?

Yet thats not your job. It's CCP's job to balance out vehicles and AV to make it better for new people.

Hence the reason they are doing patch 1.5.

Again, another argument thats invalid.

If tanks and vehicles were so feeble and useless, then why would anybody complain about them? I mean if all I had to do was whip out some std AV nades and militia swarms to defeat every vehicle in the game with no effort at all, why would I complain about their power and strength?

Don't see too many "Plasma cannon is OP" or "Laser rifle needs a nerf" threads do we? Can you count on one hand how many time you have gotten killed by these weapons?

I don't understand why this presents an obstacle to explaining your reasoning. You were apparently perfectly happy to do it earlier on, yet when I ask for clarification you say you won't explain it here?

Is there another thread you would like to continue this discussion?

Yes, it does. And I am curious as to where you are going with this. Cause to my knowledge, tanks have no such "headshot" multipliers. Which is another nail in the coffin for AV players.

The back end ass of the tank.

I wish my head could only be seen from the rear.

No, I wouldn't complain about something that was UP being OP. But more importantly, why would I hate something that was UP? If it's UP, then I have no reason to hate it.

ultimatly tankers want infantry AV to HELP us rathe rthen RELACE us

Get a rectangular piece put on top of your tank that has a damage multiplier and is accessible from all angles that is 100% of the width, 1/3rd of the length, and 1/6th of the height of your tank, then we'll talk.

And there you have it.

Activision is waiting with their arms open. You're obviously on the wrong game.

Lasers and plasma cannons can kill too, quite well in the right hands as a matter of fact. Yet there seems to be an absence of QQ regarding them. Strange seeing how tanks are UP yet still receive QQ, maybe it's a racist kind of thing.

I could get a squad of at least 4 with decent AV capability in the same spot. You mean to say you can't do the same?

Wow... Oh my.... LOL.

Tankers from this forum only go to skirmish and domination, wow, boy I wish that was the case. Actually, tanks go to ambush for little risk and high reward, it is where they are the most powerful in this game. And they are absolutely destroying that mode.

If you tank and only play skirmish and domination, you are somebody I can respect. But the douche tankers who frequent ambush are one of the bigger problems with tanks in this game. I see many well-known tankers from this forum in bush, and quite a lot from the D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E alliance and SVER too.

I know from experience that is not the case going against void. My advice is do not use swarms at all, don't bring in any vehicles, get a sniper rifle and contact grenades and kill his death squad and stay away from the front lines no matter what.

This guy is just a idiot. Probably missed all his shots. Because what I read her is some how Ted has so much skill he can dual tank his tanks with armor and shield. He took out his shields in 5 shots then ted someone how can fit armor mods to force 3 shots to almost take out his armor.

Ya this guy just sucks with a forge and probably can not hit a damn mountain if it was 2 feet in front of him.

COUNTER REDLINE RAIL SNIPE !!!

I know from experience that losing 2 incubus, 1 soma and a **** load of swarm av suits cost alot of isk. I'm not dissing you or anything.

I agree with most of your post, except the bolded part. They don't need lone survivability, you just need better friends.

First, it should take more AV then one person can carry to bring a vehicle down. Just as a tank should be operated by more then 1 person for maximum benefit.

Second, there should be no man portable weapon that can out range a tank, especially in render distance. Equal range or less. The only exception here might be blaster turrets, as they are a close range high damage choice. But that should be made perfectly clear in the show info tab, so that people know the ranges that they are choosing to fit to their chassis.

Thirdly, calling in an HAV into a public match with no friends should be a high risk choice. You should be risking a very high cost machine, that doesn't guarantee you a killing machine if you can't find the right people to accompany you. I'm not sure of the viability of this, but hopping into someone's vehicle should give the driver the option to add them to their voice channel/squad. This will help facilitate the coordination it should require to dominate the battlefield. Along with this, drivers need the kick function. One that will prevent the kicked person from hopping back in, for at least several minutes, maybe even the duration of the match.

You know, people are pushing to make it so you can't control the main gun if you're the driver.

Seems like CCP is considering it

Dont say that...When most dropship pilots try out tanks they love it so much better than their own ship that they have spent million of sp into. I know feel much safer in tanks than dropships and they have always been nerfed not once did something good happen to them (i have spent almost 10 sp into dropships). When i use my milita tank i get so much done, i know the real tanks are so much better (at higher isk) but are worthless when it comes to proto av....But plz dont say " ....nerfed class in the game" so not true...Thank you

When it comes to nerf dropships suffered way more.

No....But i do see a false error, and i plan to correct it. However you dont seem like you want to admit it....So dont make it like the tanks are the most worthless thing in the game. Im a dropship pilot and im tired of posts that just talk about av/tank. Tank is not the only vehicle in the game. The reason that ccp buffed the speed for swarms in 1.4 might be for the lav's but becuase of that tanks and dropships have to suffer (now this might not be true at all) but when tanks used to be op people cried and wanted a nurf, and so ccp decided to release proto av/nerf and take out the proto tanks. Not only did they nerf tanks but the proto av made us pilots useless. So we found another way (afterburnner) what happend? nerf!. My point being dont make tanks seem like they are the only vehicle in the game and say bs stuff like "they are the only vehice that got nerf every update"