Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.

Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.

Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.

I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.

8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.

Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.

Ass holes.

its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.

it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP.

Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes.

I can only lol at you.

its easy to 3 shot someone low on health.

it took me 5 FG hits (kinda hard to miss the reticle dictating a hit, as well as the shield being depleted), just to take out ted nuggets shield, the other 3 almost killed him, he dipped behind a dune....he comes back out a minute later will full HP.

Pretty easy to keep track of hits when your sole target is one tanker for 15 minutes.

You didn't read my post.

It's okay though, you were going to comment without reading anyways.

Alright, ill humour you.

No, i wasn't on a tower...because i didn't say i was on a tower.

No, i wasn't forcing him into a corner...he decided to stop redline tanking and come in the open. Like i stated.

My post wasn't meant to dictate AV philosophies, and it wasn't mean to promote strategies.

I simply stated the fact that tanks aren't as weak as so many tankers make themselves out to be, and wanting a buff from it.

Whatever else you took from my post, its an opinion of your accord.

And a single tank dictating the entire flow of the battlefield, because i was the sole AVer trying to take him out....ISN'T game breaking as well?

Yup, I see these kinds of tankers all the time, and I always laugh when I see one of them QQ in the forums about their poor tank dying to militia swarms.. LOL, right.

I think a lot of them just have an agenda going, QQ as much as they can (even though they are far from UP), and get buffed even more, to make them invincible like they want to be.

If these std tanks can do what they do and take the beating they can take... just imagine when these turkeys get their proto tanks in 1.5 (along with a likely AV nerf due to all their QQ). It's going to be Chromosome tanks all over again, only destroyed by several dedicated squads of proto AV doing constant damage in a short period of time... otherwise they are invincible.

Damn tank scrubs, I can only hope in the future we get vehicle-free modes. I like to shoot infantry, not try to shoot infantry while simultaneously getting mauled by a tank, then switching to AV only to get mauled by infantry while I try to shoot the tank.

You ask for adv and proto tanks, yet somehow these std tanks are doing just fine against proto AV. We see it happen all the time, so you should try to up your game and become a better tanker rather than ask for buffs that aren't needed.

I said i was done with this thread...but god damn i looked back at this thread and saw a red flag.

So you feel that it should take at the least, 3 AVers to take out a tank...

but you want to have the ability to solo the entire playfield? Are you ******* serious?

Yea man...you are ALL about the balance.

I'm looking at your conversation now.

Saying it should take 3 AV to take out a tank, yet a tank should be able to solo is as biased as you can ******* get.

I'm looking at your conversation now.

Saying it should take 3 AV to take out a tank, yet a tank should be able to solo is as biased as you can ******* get.

Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.

Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.

Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.

I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.

8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.

Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.

Ass holes.

Void Echo, I'm curious to know how you think it's balanced if it requires 3 people to take out 1 tanker. That effectively takes three people off the field to combat the one person in the tank. Why is it necessary that a solo tank requires multiple people to kill?

I would understand it if each person in the HAV roughly meant another AV specialist required, but only if they were specced into vehicles as well. (Side note on this - I can't believe CCP still aren't working on vehicle locks.)

So I have a question - Do you think it should take multiple AV specialists to destroy one HAV with one pilot in, or do you think that it should be reserved for when you have multiple people in the tank?
If you think it should take multiple AV per solo HAV, could you explain what balances that, in your eyes?

.... Alright, then by your logic since Bowser is 3 times the size of Mario...i guess Mario shouldn't be able to defeat him?

See how bringing in logic from other games does nothing to help your cause?

Tanks are good against EVERYTHING, vehicles and infantry alike and have a crap ton of health along with OP modules. Tanks are also impervious to most infantry weapons, except AV.

AV is only good against vehicles, we are as squishy as any other infantry player and are vulnerable to EVERYTHING. You know less about sacrifice then you think. I play this game to kill infantry (this is a FPS, remember that), not to hunt down annoying vehicles and tanks for some meager reward (if I can get the kill) cause they are terrorizing me and my team and ruining the match.

And you knew going into this that I was not a fan of tanks, so don't give me that.

I'm asking what the balancing gameplay factor is - "It's a 50 ton vehicle" doesn't really answer that, unfortunately.

Basing things in a game on how it works IRL is a silly way to do things, I agree - besides which shielding and armour systems are much much better than what we have right now.

I'm a little dubious about your example though - A titan can't really be soloed, no, but a battleship can be soloed by a frigate., for example. The titan is the edge case, much like the MCC. Do you mean to say that you think the cost is the balancing factor?

What do you think the balancing gameplay factor is to make tanks worth multiple AV to destroy?

You want a Tank to be able to take down the MCC?

See? i can say random **** too.

I'm asking what the balancing gameplay factor is - "It's a 50 ton vehicle" doesn't really answer that, unfortunately.

Basing things in a game on how it works IRL is a silly way to do things, I agree - besides which shielding and armour systems are much much better than what we have right now.

I'm a little dubious about your example though - A titan can't really be soloed, no, but a battleship can be soloed by a frigate., for example. The titan is the edge case, much like the MCC. Do you mean to say that you think the cost is the balancing factor?

What do you think the balancing gameplay factor is to make tanks worth multiple AV to destroy?

No, but a vehicle that can navigate in the closed vacuum of space in an entirely different game, is fundamentally different then a vehicle that can only navigate on the surface of a planet.

You know, a circle is a different shape then a square.

Again, claiming tanks are **** (which again, I don't disagree with) doesn't suggest a valid reason for making tanks take multiple AV to destroy.
Can we try and have a productive discussion? I'm sure you're perfectly capable of suggesting actual gameplay factors, as an experienced tanker, but to do that we need to throw away ideas of 'This is how it should be' and come up with 'This is how it should be BECAUSE -reason-'. What is the gameplay reason for your suggestion? How can it be justified?

Yet thats not your job. It's CCP's job to balance out vehicles and AV to make it better for new people.

Hence the reason they are doing patch 1.5.

Again, another argument thats invalid.

Yes, it does. And I am curious as to where you are going with this. Cause to my knowledge, tanks have no such "headshot" multipliers. Which is another nail in the coffin for AV players.