Whilst I do appreciate that you scouts are getting screwed over, could you not spam a completely unrelated thread with complaints?
This is a thread for discussing the armour changes. Please stay on topic.

Same question as the last guy: did you change the repair rates on reactive? You didn't list that stat.

We had planned to raise the strafe speed from the 1.1 build to around 80% of run speed (it was lurking around 60-70% or so depending on frame). After seeing how popular (and fun) the higher strafe speeds have been we changed our minds. We still wanted to maintain a difference between forward and sideways movement but we didnGÇÖt want to make a significant reduction to the speeds. So weGÇÖve settled on strafe speed as 90% of run speed across all suits.

Reactive plates giving hp and rep bonuses still seem off to me. Reactive plates do at the same time what two other modules do. There are only three outcomes of this, balance wise.

1. Reactive plates are less efficient than just running a plate and rep.
2. Reactive plates are more efficient than just running a plate and rep.
3. Reactive plates are just as efficient as running a plate and rep.

In the first case, why do reactive plates exist again? In the second, why do we even have plates and reps if we can just use one module? In the third, why is it a thing again? There is no good way to balance reactive plates.

I think a better solution would be to make them do something special. Ideally I would like resists, but I would also be open to them being hi slot items that massively nerf shields in exchange for being neat for armor in some way, like resists or such.

For that matter, I would give my eye teeth for an explosive dampening hardener to take the edge off of AOE splash damage. Somethiing like that might give reactive plates a purpose. Direct hits still waste you, but they give you some resistance to splash from grenades, mass drivers, forge guns, etc

Whilst I do appreciate that you scouts are getting screwed over, could you not spam a completely unrelated thread with complaints? This is a thread for discussing the armour changes. Please stay on topic.

A shield nerf you say? Neat. And here I thought you were done fingerbanging my Caldari logi suit. Thanks, devs.

You guys really know how to make a player feel great about his SP investments. You should totally nerf my massdriver, uplinks, and nanohives next. I mean, why not, right? You guys pretty much do everything these forum crybabies want anyway; you might as well rip my heart out now and get it over with.

Also, it's very professional of you chaps to talk shield nerfs when you still haven't even fixed the shield recharge delay rate error you made on the Caldari logi suit.

I'm all for helping armor bros but this is a joke.

All hail NERF 514!

I had a feeling one of your kind would show up.
They specifically said that they would only do that nerf (and it's not a huge nerf anyway, though it depends on the numbers) IF the armour buffs weren't sufficient.
And I have a feeling they will be.

especially if they buff armor reppers too.

Hi guys,

A quick heads up for some upcoming changes in 1.4 to armour and movement.

Currently a bug has caused some of the movement speed modifiers on strafe to be ignored. This is good and bad. ItGÇÖs good because faster strafe speeds are cool. ItGÇÖs bad because right now strafe speed is at least 1:1 with run speed and this was not our intention. In keeping with normal physical limitations strafe was intended to be slower than run. We had planned to raise the strafe speed from the 1.1 build to around 80% of run speed (it was lurking around 60-70% or so depending on frame). After seeing how popular (and fun) the higher strafe speeds have been we changed our minds. We still wanted to maintain a difference between forward and sideways movement but we didnGÇÖt want to make a significant reduction to the speeds. So weGÇÖve settled on strafe speed as 90% of run speed across all suits.

Before anyone freaks out, this does not mean it is set in stone forevermore. It just means that we want to play the game with the settings we actually intended so we can properly judge them. There are a lot of updates to the game in 1.4 so weGÇÖll be watching very closely to see what we need to respond to :-)

A nice thing that also came out of this is that I found some errant numbers and a bug that were causing the heavy frames to move too slowly backwards as well as reducing their strafe speed. Both of those problems are now fixed as well.

Also as promised on IRC yesterday IGÇÖm also sharing the buffs weGÇÖve made to armour plates.

Couple of caveats:
- We'd like to introduce a penalty to shield tanking (most likely increasing the delay on shield recharge when you use shield extenders) but we wanted to buff armor first. We will be watching 1.4 closely and if necessary, add the shield delay in 1.5.
- Role skills still need to be updated to better take advantage of armor tanking.

* Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5)
* Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5)
* Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66)

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

I had a feeling one of your kind would show up.
They specifically said that they would only do that nerf (and it's not a huge nerf anyway, though it depends on the numbers) IF the armour buffs weren't sufficient.
And I have a feeling they will be.

Soo..... what you're saying is that in addition to kb/m users being able to instantly change direction with no slow down whatsoever, they will now be able to do so at 90% of run speed? Is there a -1 button anywhere? 'Cause I'm not seeing it...

In case you didn't notice.
You get a INHERENT 25HP/S.
That's a very powerful regen.
We have to give up a slot to have just 5hp/s.

Don't complain.

Only thing I am worried about is people switching to mass drivers as the FOTM.

I think the majority of the Dust population is waaaay ahead of you, there.

Just curious, which suit do you have that doesn't have any high slots and really low shield regeneration?

Perhaps it is intended, but the repair rate on the reactive plates is not affected by the repair skills and suit skills that boost repair amount (unlike for repair modules).

Is this intended, Wolfman?

Noticed a few people ask this. This is not intended, we will check on it :-)

Since your here did fitting cost for reactives and ferroscales get changed?

Don't misunderstand, I'm happy with better Armor plates, but...

... I thought Plates give you more HP because they slow you down also.

A STD Plate gives you more HP than a PRO Extender. (Armor-Shield 1-0)

Armor needs a Repper (1-1)

Reppers work constantly while Shield is delayed (2-1)

Armor slows you down (2-2)

Shield extenders penalties... WHY EXACTLY?

Wolfman - Are you happy with armor repair speeds as they currently stand? Or are you wanting to see how the current changes pan out first?

Repair speed is still very slow currently, and this issue will be exacerbated by greater EHP levels without a corresponding bump to repair speed. Is the design intent here to encourage more use of logistics-based repair, or to also provide a self-sufficient armor tanking style that relies on repair modules?

I'm sure others here would also appreciate knowing your thoughts on this.

Hi guys,

A quick heads up for some upcoming changes in 1.4 to armour and movement.

Currently a bug has caused some of the movement speed modifiers on strafe to be ignored. This is good and bad. ItGÇÖs good because faster strafe speeds are cool. ItGÇÖs bad because right now strafe speed is at least 1:1 with run speed and this was not our intention. In keeping with normal physical limitations strafe was intended to be slower than run. We had planned to raise the strafe speed from the 1.1 build to around 80% of run speed (it was lurking around 60-70% or so depending on frame). After seeing how popular (and fun) the higher strafe speeds have been we changed our minds. We still wanted to maintain a difference between forward and sideways movement but we didnGÇÖt want to make a significant reduction to the speeds. So weGÇÖve settled on strafe speed as 90% of run speed across all suits.

Before anyone freaks out, this does not mean it is set in stone forevermore. It just means that we want to play the game with the settings we actually intended so we can properly judge them. There are a lot of updates to the game in 1.4 so weGÇÖll be watching very closely to see what we need to respond to :-)

A nice thing that also came out of this is that I found some errant numbers and a bug that were causing the heavy frames to move too slowly backwards as well as reducing their strafe speed. Both of those problems are now fixed as well.

Also as promised on IRC yesterday IGÇÖm also sharing the buffs weGÇÖve made to armour plates.

Couple of caveats:
- We'd like to introduce a penalty to shield tanking (most likely increasing the delay on shield recharge when you use shield extenders) but we wanted to buff armor first. We will be watching 1.4 closely and if necessary, add the shield delay in 1.5.
- Role skills still need to be updated to better take advantage of armor tanking.

* Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5)
* Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5)
* Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66)

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Have to agree with this. I'm a shield tanker and I don't wanna be bias. But I don't understand the shield extenders penalty. There a delay already once you lose Shields while armor regens immediately. I'm happy for the Armor tankers out there tho this seems to be fixing things to be more balanced and usable out there on the battlefield. Got a good feeling people will start complaining about gallente logis! Kudos to the fix