Whoa, bombshell......gimme a second to write something up. You get a +1 sir.

Let me start with the strafing, I like this change, and I am glad to see that I might actually be able to shoot and hit speed tanked enemies now that they are getting a 10% speed reduction when strafing, definitely a good change.

About the possible shield recharge delay penalty for equipping extenders.....I like it. Quad stacking complex extenders will now essentially require the use of regulators, which will hurt dual tanking, which is good since it is kind of god-mode at the moment. I believe this penalty to be MUCH better than a scan profile increase, and will fully support it in the event you give us the details. My only question would be: Would regulators reduce the base shield delay, or the shield delay AFTER the extender penalty is introduced?

About armor plates, good. Good, but not great. The percentage of penalty increase is still greater than the percentage of armor given. By that I mean from the 2%/85 armor plate to the 3%/110 armor plate is a 1.5 speed penalty multiplier, but only a 1.29 armor increase multiplier. It isn't as bad as before, but it is still worth noticing. The difference is much bigger going from the 3%/110 armor plate to the 5%/135 armor plate. The speed penalty multiplier there is 1.6666.... and the armor multiplier is only 1.22. That's a greater speed penalty and a smaller armor increase compared to the jump from the basic to the enhanced, and is totally not worth it, I can see the enhanced plates being the go-to with these given stats.

The ferroscale stats are all I could ever hope for, so I think you did a great job there, but reactive plates will remain comparatively useless. It would be great if you made them a high-slot module, since armor tankers are still lacking such a mythical item, even though I understand damage mods are the "recommended" armor tank high mod.




Have you read my "New Class Bonus Ideas" thread yet? It's a good read, not entirely polished, but I compiled ideas from people in the comments section, so it's a moderately good idea of what the community would like to see.

Don't misunderstand, I'm happy with better Armor plates, but...

... I thought Plates give you more HP because they slow you down also.

A STD Plate gives you more HP than a PRO Extender. (Armor-Shield 1-0)

Armor needs a Repper (1-1)

Reppers work constantly while Shield is delayed (2-1)

Armor slows you down (2-2)

Shield extenders penalties... WHY EXACTLY?

Although im happy for armor, can't wait to see the changes on the field... Shield regen is the only thing caldarI has and shouldn't be touched ....

If you can't kill a Caldari player before their shields start to regen (especially if fluxed, or depleted by a Scram) you're bad and shouldn't play shooters...

Would be a complete mistake to give shields a penalty CCP...

CCP should add a secondary set of racial bonuses, possibly a bonus that is the same for every racial suit of the race, because some people are quite content with their current role bonus, and the logistics role bonus is probably the only thing keeping the armor tanked logistics suits from being UP.

...Basic plate is OP...

Liked it until you suggested higher fitting requirements when armor tanking is already very resource intensive.

Thanks to Absolute Idiom II for extra graph erotica. Throw a few likes his way.

HP Fitting Efficiencies as at 1.4 (higher is better)

look at dat basic plate.

If you use my suggested stats as a comparison, it looks like this:

HP Fitting Efficiencies if Sponk were a dev

Note that the efficiency is pretty-much the same between tiers now, but of course complex stuff is more slot-efficient.

Wolfman - Are you happy with armor repair speeds as they currently stand? Or are you wanting to see how the current changes pan out first?

Repair speed is still very slow currently, and this issue will be exacerbated by greater EHP levels without a corresponding bump to repair speed. Is the design intent here to encourage more use of logistics-based repair, or to also provide a self-sufficient armor tanking style that relies on repair modules?

I'm sure others here would also appreciate knowing your thoughts on this.

Have to agree with this. I'm a shield tanker and I don't wanna be bias. But I don't understand the shield extenders penalty. There a delay already once you lose Shields while armor regens immediately. I'm happy for the Armor tankers out there tho this seems to be fixing things to be more balanced and usable out there on the battlefield. Got a good feeling people will start complaining about gallente logis! Kudos to the fix

Ya I can have 521 armor and still heal at 20/s.