It's very disapointing to see no mention of a cpu/pg reduction for ferroscale plates. I see no reason why it shouldn't be the same as the regular plates. The high cpu/pg is a big barrier for scouts who have such limited cpu/pg already. This is a big problem since scouts stand to gain the most from ferroscale plates

And Logi suits are the only good*** armor tankers because of this, all suits should get a passive armor repair except the Caldari.

why not? caldari have only 130 or less armor (unless armor plates are put on). i think all suit should get 1.00 to armor repair besides logi's until ccp is able to put their logi bonus they want on them. what really stinks is snipers are screwed if they not using the charge.

Don't misunderstand, I'm happy with better Armor plates, but...

... I thought Plates give you more HP because they slow you down also.

A STD Plate gives you more HP than a PRO Extender. (Armor-Shield 1-0)

Armor needs a Repper (1-1)

Reppers work constantly while Shield is delayed (2-1)

Armor slows you down (2-2)

Shield extenders penalties... WHY EXACTLY?

Strafe is being nerfed please read... Also hit detection and aiming all of that is being "fixed" in 1.4

Strafe speed is getting increased to 90% of run speed. Tell me how's that not a buff?

-XOXO

Hi guys,

A quick heads up for some upcoming changes in 1.4 to armour and movement.
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Couple of caveats:
- We'd like to introduce a penalty to shield tanking (most likely increasing the delay on shield recharge when you use shield extenders) but we wanted to buff armor first. We will be watching 1.4 closely and if necessary, add the shield delay in 1.5.
- Role skills still need to be updated to better take advantage of armor tanking.


Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Update? When?

Oh sh*t CCp i just LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE you <3

I'm an Amarr Logi turned on the Armor tanking (much than shield i mean).

-After the Amarr Logi suit Buff i was like POOOOOW but now i'm ...PIDIPOOOOOW !!!!!
(Tiny tina's quote anyway xD)



CCP you made logic finally !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Armor is made for TANKING.
Shields are made for MOVEMENT and tactical advantage NOT Tanking you finally noticed it !!!!!

Armor player is made for defense purpose (Slower)
And Shield utits are Monsters when attacking a point because they are pretty speed and can break up a line of front really speedy (Exemple taking the inside point fast.)

Simply Love it.

BL4CKST4R according to your numbers here and the fact that a militia AR does 467 dps with no mods, without proficiency and without head-shots. 110% to shield and 95% efficacy to armor. because with the bonus 1.1x every shot is actually worth 37.4 hp, we can deduce the following regarding these suits tank ability:

*note: this assumes that you are standing still and that the assailant is not missing any shots. milita Ar has 48 rounds in the clip.


CPU- 344/394
PG- 72/79
Shield- 553
Armor- 392
Shield Recharge Rate- 31.25
Shield Delay- 5
Shield Depleted Delay- 8
Armor Repair Rate- 6.25
Movement- 4.72
Sprint- 6.94
Duration- 15
Stamina- 157.5
Stamina Recovery- 15.75
Scan Profile- 45
Scan Precision- 49.5
Scan Radius- 15
Melee- 110

EHP: 945 | ISK: 91,800 | AUR: 0

553/[37.4*1.1] = 12.50 (approx 13 shots) shots to remove
553/[467*1.1] = 1.07 seconds to remove

392/[37.4*.95] = 11.03 (round up) shots to deplete armor
392/[467 *.95] = 0.88 seconds to deplete armor

Total shots required to kill = 24 rounds.
Total time to kill = 1.95 or approximately 2 seconds.

this opponent needs 24 rounds and 2 seconds of direct fire not missing a shot to take out this suit. with good timing and movement variations, including but not limited to using cover this suits survivability is extremely high.




CPU- 267/394
PG- 62/79
Shield- 368
Armor- 625
Shield Recharge Rate- 25
Shield Delay- 7
Shield Depleted Delay- 10
Armor Repair Rate- 6.25
Movement- 4.64
Sprint- 6.82
Duration- 15
Stamina- 157.5
Stamina Recovery- 15.75
Scan Profile- 45
Scan Precision- 49.5
Scan Radius- 15
Melee- 110

EHP: 993 | ISK: 83,355 | AUR: 0

368/[37.4*1.1] = 8.94 (round up) shots to remove
368/[467*1.1] = .716 seconds to remove

625/[37.4*.95] = 17.59 (round up) shots to deplete armor
625/[467 *.95] = 1.4 seconds to deplete armor

Total shots required to kill = 27 rounds.
Total time to kill = 2.11 or approximately 2 seconds.

the difference between this one and prior is that it requires 3 more shots to kill under the aforementioed conditions. but this is negligible don't count on those 3 shots making that big a difference.

CPU- 261/394
PG- 55/79
Shield- 553
Armor- 150
Shield Recharge Rate- 31.25
Shield Delay- 5
Shield Depleted Delay- 8
Armor Repair Rate- 6.25
Movement- 5
Sprint- 7.35
Duration- 15
Stamina- 157.5
Stamina Recovery- 15.75
Scan Profile- 45
Scan Precision- 49.5
Scan Radius- 15
Melee- 110

EHP: 703 | ISK: 80,385 | AUR: 0

]553/[37.4*1.1] = 12.50 (approx 13 shots) shots to remove
553/[467*1.1] = 1.07 seconds to remove

150/[37.4*.95] = 4.22 (round up) shots to deplete armor
150/[467 *.95] = .338 seconds to deplete armor

Total shots required to kill = 17 rounds.
Total time to kill = 1.4




CPU- 105/394
PG- 29/79
Shield- 150
Armor- 625
Shield Recharge Rate- 25
Shield Delay- 7
Shield Depleted Delay- 10
Armor Repair Rate- 6.25
Movement- 4.64
Sprint- 6.82
Duration- 15
Stamina- 157.5
Stamina Recovery- 15.75
Scan Profile- 45
Scan Precision- 49.5
Scan Radius- 15
Melee- 110

EHP: 775 | ISK: 70,530 | AUR: 0

150/[37.4*1.1] = 3.64 (round up) shots to remove
150/[467*1.1] = .291 seconds to remove

625/[37.4*.95] = 17.59 (round up) shots to deplete armor
625/[467 *.95] = 1.4 seconds to deplete armor

Total shots to kill = 21
total time to kill = 1.7

as you can see your movement speed is proportionally decreased by the slight increase in durability you get. compared to shield tanking, you lose .36 meters per second in movement speed, to gain the ability to tank 3 more shots, or consequently survive. 2seconds longer on average.

of course these numbers only represent your ability to survive direct fire from a single milita AR without damage mods, headshots, or proficiency on the bonus 10% buff given all weapons after the first week of uprising was factored in.

these results would compare diferenctly if i were to use a HMG or scrambelr as a constant. however, as AR fire is the most common arms fire you will encounter this is a good measure of your suits durability.

At 7-9 armor repairers become completely optional, and 7-9 is high enough to be useful but low enough to not reach the same repair rates as a Caldari suit and thus a repair tool is still needed to repair at the same speed or faster. In order to repair at the same speed as a Caldari suit within a timeframe of 60 seconds we would need a repair of 23-29 HP/s.

So IMHO it should go:

A/L = Assault/Logistics

Caldari A/L - 1/3
Minmatar A/L - 3/5
Gallente A/L - 9/11
Amarr A/L - 8/10

Hi guys,

A quick heads up for some upcoming changes in 1.4 to armour and movement.

Currently a bug has caused some of the movement speed modifiers on strafe to be ignored. This is good and bad. ItGÇÖs good because faster strafe speeds are cool. ItGÇÖs bad because right now strafe speed is at least 1:1 with run speed and this was not our intention. In keeping with normal physical limitations strafe was intended to be slower than run. We had planned to raise the strafe speed from the 1.1 build to around 80% of run speed (it was lurking around 60-70% or so depending on frame). After seeing how popular (and fun) the higher strafe speeds have been we changed our minds. We still wanted to maintain a difference between forward and sideways movement but we didnGÇÖt want to make a significant reduction to the speeds. So weGÇÖve settled on strafe speed as 90% of run speed across all suits.

Before anyone freaks out, this does not mean it is set in stone forevermore. It just means that we want to play the game with the settings we actually intended so we can properly judge them. There are a lot of updates to the game in 1.4 so weGÇÖll be watching very closely to see what we need to respond to :-)

A nice thing that also came out of this is that I found some errant numbers and a bug that were causing the heavy frames to move too slowly backwards as well as reducing their strafe speed. Both of those problems are now fixed as well.

Also as promised on IRC yesterday IGÇÖm also sharing the buffs weGÇÖve made to armour plates.

Couple of caveats:
- We'd like to introduce a penalty to shield tanking (most likely increasing the delay on shield recharge when you use shield extenders) but we wanted to buff armor first. We will be watching 1.4 closely and if necessary, add the shield delay in 1.5.
- Role skills still need to be updated to better take advantage of armor tanking.

* Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5)
* Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5)
* Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66)

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Still no love for scouts. Are we nothing but fodder?

Why would you give the armor a buff and not the shields?

Because at the moment, shield tanking has no penalties and armour doesn't have enough extra HP to balance its speed penalty. They weren't planning to buff shields, they were planning to NERF them. They've decided to implement the armour buff first, by itself, and see how much things change before possibly implementing the shield nerf.