. . . will we see by the end of this x2 sp week?

By the end of the last multiple SP week, the number of flaylocks in the average match roughly tripled, and they suffered a nerf soon after.

Now, I love the mass driver. I started to think it was OP too until I took better ARs into the field, and we know from these forums that too few AR players believe they should be killed by anything other than more ARs.

So I'm wondering how many mass drivers you folks think will show up this week?

Every weapon in this game is OP if its in the right hands.

I don't think MDs are very OP. Maybe a little. I haven't played with them so I can't give an opinion. I wish more people would follow that rule

That being said, MDs are semi-FOTM. They're a skill weapon so not as many will be using them as past FOTM weapons. I'll be sticking with my Toxin AR. If more people use them, CCP will be able to gather more data to assess whether or not they are OP.

. . . will we see by the end of this x2 sp week?

By the end of the last multiple SP week, the number of flaylocks in the average match roughly tripled, and they suffered a nerf soon after.

Now, I love the mass driver. I started to think it was OP too until I took better ARs into the field, and we know from these forums that too few AR players believe they should be killed by anything other than more ARs.

So I'm wondering how many mass drivers you folks think will show up this week?

Implement a friendly fire mode where ISK rewards are greater to encourage playing it.

Then we'll see how many of us massholes truly know how to use the weapon.

Every weapon in this game is OP if its in the right hands.

Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.

Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.

Fear not, I hear rumours of being buffed.
Incidentally, you should try speccing into triage nanohives as well.

After my logi suit that is the next thing on my list... or was it better flux grenades... or was it better armor upgrades... ah crap.... see I just cannot make up my mind.

Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.

Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.

I don't think MDs are very OP. Maybe a little. I haven't played with them so I can't give an opinion. I wish more people would follow that rule

That being said, MDs are semi-FOTM. They're a skill weapon so not as many will be using them as past FOTM weapons. I'll be sticking with my Toxin AR. If more people use them, CCP will be able to gather more data to assess whether or not they are OP.

. . . will we see by the end of this x2 sp week?

By the end of the last multiple SP week, the number of flaylocks in the average match roughly tripled, and they suffered a nerf soon after.

Now, I love the mass driver. I started to think it was OP too until I took better ARs into the field, and we know from these forums that too few AR players believe they should be killed by anything other than more ARs.

So I'm wondering how many mass drivers you folks think will show up this week?

. . . will we see by the end of this x2 sp week?

By the end of the last multiple SP week, the number of flaylocks in the average match roughly tripled, and they suffered a nerf soon after.

Now, I love the mass driver. I started to think it was OP too until I took better ARs into the field, and we know from these forums that too few AR players believe they should be killed by anything other than more ARs.

So I'm wondering how many mass drivers you folks think will show up this week?

OK, I did just play a match and the other team was running mostly MDs

Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them.

A lot.

I've been using them the last couple of weeks, and they are still OP, but not by much. Reducing the Splash Radius to pre-buff levels and making the ROF a little slower would make them hit the sweet spot.

Maybe.

Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got


Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway.

Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging.

Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them.

Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging.

Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got


Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway.

Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging.

A lot.

I've been using them the last couple of weeks, and they are still OP, but not by much. Reducing the Splash Radius to pre-buff levels and making the ROF a little slower would make them hit the sweet spot.

Maybe.

Splash is the whole purpose of the weapon. To deter grouping.

After my logi suit that is the next thing on my list... or was it better flux grenades... or was it better armor upgrades... ah crap.... see I just cannot make up my mind.

Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging.

Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them.

Things that routinely kill me when using a MD:

Snipers
Tac AR
Shotty
Myself :)

Remember, MD is really good for logis and logis have no sidearm. More often than not, those MD users are logis that you can close on and fight in CQC. This can easily lead to the logi killing himself in the blast.

Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging.

Way to "counter" them. Use a weapon that has longer range and sit back and outrange them (so you have to be pretty far away for this to work). If you can get into CQC....I mean true CQC then they will hurt themselves while they shoot you...as long as they dont hit you directly you will be doing more dmg with your shots + their own dmg being dealt to themselves.

Dont even try to "dodge" being hit by the AOE....its simply not possible. The best you can do is to positions yourself in a way that the blast radius does not help them......unfortunately the brilliantly designed maps by CCP allow for very few areas where you can position objects between you and the MD round.

People say height advantage is the best method....but that is the best method vs every single weapon in the game. So in reality if you say the only way to counter an MD is to have height advantage then that is just a laughable statement.

Not even LAVs are safe as your dropsuit will take dmg if your char is in the explosive radius....even when it hits the vehicle.

Had somebody cook a grenade and rush at me, killed himself along with me...

This is ********. If you were a dedicated MD user you would know how terrible the MD was pre-buff, and how anything MD except the Boundless Assault was useless.

Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.

No, he's right. The MD was given at least an extra 1m splash radius in addition to fixed hit detection.

The extra radius wasn't necessary. I don't think the ROF needs a nerf though.

Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.

I do not use massdrivers and I do not find them overpowered even though I am armor tanked. I like the variety and it just take some time for AR users to get accustomed to the massdrivers. They are not that good out in the open when you can keep the distance. The massdriver is really good in close urban combat zones and that is the only areas I have found them to be a problem. Their range is shorter and it gives more room for infantry to move around and not being sniped by duvoulles.

I have learned my lesson to keep my distance from massdrivers or instead run right into the massdriver user and have him kill himself with his weapon.

Way to "counter" them. Use a weapon that has longer range and sit back and outrange them (so you have to be pretty far away for this to work). If you can get into CQC....I mean true CQC then they will hurt themselves while they shoot you...as long as they dont hit you directly you will be doing more dmg with your shots + their own dmg being dealt to themselves.

Dont even try to "dodge" being hit by the AOE....its simply not possible. The best you can do is to positions yourself in a way that the blast radius does not help them......unfortunately the brilliantly designed maps by CCP allow for very few areas where you can position objects between you and the MD round.

People say height advantage is the best method....but that is the best method vs every single weapon in the game. So in reality if you say the only way to counter an MD is to have height advantage then that is just a laughable statement.

Not even LAVs are safe as your dropsuit will take dmg if your char is in the explosive radius....even when it hits the vehicle.

I call bs, I got owned just the other day, in an open field. There suppressing weapons, and thats the point, I should win in the wide open at mid range. And if you wanna troll and say I suck go ahead and trololol all day, I have almost 10mil sp and my ar is almost maxed, the mass driver is op thats a fact.

With that said, its not very op, just needs a rof nerf I believe.

While I see your point about higher ground (that it affects everyone), it does not affect everyone equally. The reason that high ground is generally cited as a counter to the MD is because it is a HARD counter. Unless the user is very good at land precise direct hits every time, they won't be able to engage you. Fighting a MD user from high ground essentially makes it so they have no splash (and therefore are pretty terrible).So yes, it is a legitimate counter.

I have also recently seen the strategy of 'charge into extreme close quarters, up in the MD users face' work quite effectively. Really scares the crap out of me, and has lead to some suicides for sure. Good thing I'm an Amarr logi and I have a sidearm though :)

You decided to engage a MD at the range where it excels and you call BS because it beat you? Look at what everyone says on how to beat a MD. Either long range or short range. By all means, come at me from midrange, where it's easy for me to drop my shells where I want them and I can reach you with my grenades.

Hell at least charge the guy, it's harder to adjust to changing range than it is to side to side motion with an MD and you may just get to the point where my attacks hurt me too.

well thats because you dont even have to adjust for strafing motions with an AOE of 6 meters (9 if using assault MD).

LOL at your "hard counter" I personally didnt have any issues when I use the MD....but then again I rarely sit there and try to shoot up at someone who has the higher ground as for every weapon the higher ground has the advantage....because you can barely peak your head over the top and fire your weapon thus maintaining most of your cover.

I call bs, I got owned just the other day, in an open field. There suppressing weapons, and thats the point, I should win in the wide open at mid range. And if you wanna troll and say I suck go ahead and trololol all day, I have almost 10mil sp and my ar is almost maxed, the mass driver is op thats a fact.

With that said, its not very op, just needs a rof nerf I believe.

I used Mass Drivers before they were cool, you could say im a trend setter

Tac AR / Sniper / flank

AR / ScR if you are a hero (can dodge well, have enough shield and you are a great shot)

I used Mass Drivers before they were cool, you could say im a trend setter

Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.

Heard it here first. Even CCP is using Mass Drivers.

And they have never touched an AR in their lives....

Not successfully, much like yourself.

Already got a Freedom one.
I never need to spend SP again unless it's nerfed.

You are a worthless troll. That is all.

what they have to do with explosive weapons like the hmg laser rifle etc the MD flaylock Swarm launcher plasma cannon and tank need to over head and when they do they lose half or more health I am fed up with massdrivers popping out of a corner shooting 6 shots then hide back in that corner with 4 nanohives supplying that douchebag just like my HMG I lose hp when it overheats and I need to wait 6 seconds for it to cool down.

Show me pics of you smashing with AR. It's just a point and click weapon right? You use MD for the challenge...LMFAO!

I have no need to prove anything to you.

You couldn't if ya wanted to.

I don't know about an overheat, but we do need to reload every 6 shots. Maybe do something with the reload time?

I tried to play tonite and gave up in disgust, MD and flaylocks everywhere, if no then once again 12 ppl camping the sodding MCC!

Been using Mass Drivers since closed beta when they were weaker and only had 4 shots. I'm rarely killed by them and I'm gallente. There's only been 2 or 3 players who ever really gave me problems with it. Most of them out there are just flavor of the month players with terrible shots.

I'd start by reducing explosive bonus to armor. I don't see the logic in it being so high. 105% or 110% would be plenty. I'd be fine with it being just 100% I think.

If they're going to nerf the weapon itself (again), go ahead but they need to fix the aiming system back to how it was in Chromosome at least.

Been using Mass Drivers since closed beta when they were weaker and only. Had 4 shots. I'm rarely killed by them and I'm gallente. There's only been 2 or 3 players who ever really gave me problems with. Most of them out there are just flavor of the month players with terrible shots.

I'd start by reducing explosive bonus to armor. I don't see the logic in it being so high. 105% or 110% would be plenty. I'd be fine with it being just 100% I think.

If they're going to nerf the weapon itself (again), go ahead but they need to fix the aiming system back to how it was in Chromosome at least.

Only reason I speced into the mass driver is because I bought the elite pack. So I speced into weapon that will make each suit shine. Logi I with mass driver. Heavy with forge and hmg, assault with ar and scout with sg. And my min scout with nova knives and remote explosives.

Doubt it.

Doubt it.

So why was this gun rarely used when they nerfed the splash radius? GG, Abort, Report, Disband.

I'm putting it into Proto Snipers, so I can get the Charged.

And of course Damage Mods.

I'm a terrible shot, so I want to make sure it only takes one.

Things that routinely kill me when using a MD:

Snipers
Tac AR
Shotty
Myself :)

Remember, MD is really good for logis and logis have no sidearm. More often than not, those MD users are logis that you can close on and fight in CQC. This can easily lead to the logi killing himself in the blast.

doesnt work, come near me when im using a mass driver and you explode due to remote explosives, im the bait....

I'm putting it into Proto Snipers, so I can get the Charged.

And of course Damage Mods.

I'm a terrible shot, so I want to make sure it only takes one.

Mass Driver = giving up light weapon slot for infinite contact grenades.

. . . will we see by the end of this x2 sp week?

By the end of the last multiple SP week, the number of flaylocks in the average match roughly tripled, and they suffered a nerf soon after.

Now, I love the mass driver. I started to think it was OP too until I took better ARs into the field, and we know from these forums that too few AR players believe they should be killed by anything other than more ARs.

So I'm wondering how many mass drivers you folks think will show up this week?

Shhhh don't give the secret away!

. . . will we see by the end of this x2 sp week?

By the end of the last multiple SP week, the number of flaylocks in the average match roughly tripled, and they suffered a nerf soon after.

Now, I love the mass driver. I started to think it was OP too until I took better ARs into the field, and we know from these forums that too few AR players believe they should be killed by anything other than more ARs.

So I'm wondering how many mass drivers you folks think will show up this week?

Your going to see a lot more of them

Every weapon in this game is OP if its in the right hands.

5m Blast radius that does enough damage to kill everything except some heavies in 1 clip. How can you miss with that weapon?


People complain the AR is "only" point and click, where as the MD is just click.

5m Blast radius that does enough damage to kill everything except some heavies in 1 clip. How can you miss with that weapon?


People complain the AR is "only" point and click, where as the MD is just click.

At least you have to keep clicking. The AR user just has to press the button once.

Um there is a Burst AR and there is a TAC AR that require more clicking...FAIL

Hmm, again, I guess you have a problem with....thought.

When people talk about ARs, they're talking about the mainline ARs, the OP ones. Burst isn't very good, and TAR, while still a little too strong, isn't anything like as strong as it was or as strong as the mainline ARs.

BUT still doesn't negate the FACT that there are ARs that require clicking. Which is what you are saying makes the MD so challenging.....

BTW you know what requires click AND aim SHOTGUN

Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.

Every weapon in this game is OP if its in the right hands.

. . . will we see by the end of this x2 sp week?

By the end of the last multiple SP week, the number of flaylocks in the average match roughly tripled, and they suffered a nerf soon after.

Now, I love the mass driver. I started to think it was OP too until I took better ARs into the field, and we know from these forums that too few AR players believe they should be killed by anything other than more ARs.

So I'm wondering how many mass drivers you folks think will show up this week?

Hmm, again, I guess you have a problem with....thought.

When people talk about ARs, they're talking about the mainline ARs, the OP ones. Burst isn't very good, and TAR, while still a little too strong, isn't anything like as strong as it was or as strong as the mainline ARs.

I honestly believe that dust meters correlates to feet in real time. Because honestly, 5 meter splash radius means that 2 people (roughly 6 feet each) and a midget lying down would get hit if the projectile hit the first person's feet. I honestly think that CCP has some map vs numbers vs weapons issue here, where the numbers don't quite match the scale.

Shhhh don't give the secret away!

I predict that the wave of MD is gonna die as soon as it comes up. I played with MD long enough to know it has not changed dramatically recently. Once the MD hype on the forum dies down all the try hards will learn that MD does not help their KDR and will switch back to their trusty CalLogi Duvolle combo.

The concept is a bit silly if you think about it. Truthfully the weapon would function just fine as a grenade launcher, but not a contact grenade launcher. Then, of course, it can't be a "mass driver" so you would have to do a rename. And you probably should anyway, as every time I hear "mass driver" I am thinking about asteroids being lobbed into the surface of the planet to level cities and an arcing grenade launcher does NOT fit the image at all.

The mass driver as-is would work better in a game more similar to Tribes where everyone has jetpacks and you are scoring kills based on motion prediction of touchdown. When people are landlocked, it's...... troublesome.

And here I am having to manage aim, shoot, dodge, try and not die to nades, heat dispersal, etc. using my ScR. And I gotta click click click click but not too many times otherwise I overheat and then die because I cant switch weapons or run. And the lolzy 5% reduced charge time per level bonus is SUUUUUPER helpful when I charge shot 1/1000 shots out of my rifle.

To me, the problem is not with the mass driver itself, but rather the Community.

I was in a match a little while ago. My squad were the only squad working, everyone else on the blue team were in the hills. Anyway, I command my squad to capture Bravo after taking Delta (4 point map where bravo is in the Round Structure where the "hallway" like room is). This worked well as most of the Red team were at our Redline. My squad captured Bravo, then as expected, encountered heavy resistance. We held Bravo as our only Null Cannon long enough for the red MCC to lose the second half of it's shield and about 1/4 of it's armor.

After repeatedly trying-and failing-to recapture Bravo, the red team decided to resort to scrubbery. My squad, while inside the building, came under attack from about 6 - 10 Reds who were all using some form of explosive weaponry. At this point, the kill feed looked like:

Boundless Mass Driver
Exo-5 Mass Driver
Freedom Assault Mass Driver
M1 Locus Grenade
Core Locus Grenade
Thukker Contact Locus Grenade
Ishukone Assault Forge Gun

They were literally Zerging with nothing but explosives.

Keep in mind this was an interior CQC battle. Where were the Nova Knives? Where were the Shotguns? Where were the Breach ARs? Where were the HMGs?

Nothing other than explosives.

Good tactics? No, Scrubbery!

Now 1 Mass Driver is meh, but when half of the team is using these explosive weapons it is extremely problematic. I have noticed only 1 Mass Driver causing performance issues in game in the form of lag and hit detection issues if you are inside the AoE. When you begin spamming explosives it becomes nearly unplayable.

The whole point of the story is this:

To me, the problem is not with the mass driver itself, but rather the Community.

Many of the people who play this game do not play to have fun, they play to win even at the sacrifice of personal enjoyment.

One could argue that all of those players actually enjoy using those particular weapons, but I seriously doubt that to be the case.

Well Master Jaraiya, how could these types of situations be resolved?

Turn on friendly fire for all matches! Let this become a real tactical, thinking man's shooter.

End the Zerg rushing blobs of Scrubs who have no tactics other than Spam FOTM type weaponry.

If friendly fire were on, then the above story would not have ended with us being Zerged by explosive spamming scrubs. They would have killed more of their own team using those "tactics".

So, CCP, please PLEASE

Turn on friendly fire for all matches! Let this become a real tactical, thinking man's shooter.

Yeah I kinda love the idea of the Mass Driver...as a mid-range support weapon. But it never really functions like that when I come up against folks using them. Most use it as a CQB spam machine. Kinda foolish if you ask me. Especially when you factor all the smoke and distortion that the thing causes. How players don't blow the hell outta themselves is beyond me.

I think if you are going to "fix" the Mass Driver it need not have anything to do with damage...spash or direct. Instead incorporate two things:

1. Slower rate of fire and slower projectile speed. This will ensure the skill factor is present in the weapon handling. Careful shots should be key.

2. Incorporate a minimum number of "twists" or minimum distance the projectile has to travel before it is armed and will explode. This is a simple feature of most real world grenade launchers as a safety measure and will help ensure the weapon cannot be used as some kind of super-shotgun. It keeps the weapon locked into mid-range combat. You can still give the projectile some damage capability if you get a direct hit at close range...just not explosive damage.

Work in those physics and the Mass Driver makes a lot more sense IMO.

+1 to friendly fire

No.

I honestly think this would solve more problems than even you or I could imagine!

Edited. Had second thoughts. I would totally team kill anyone who I ever see using a Duvolle AR.
And ChicagoCubs .
And I wouldn't feel bad.

Exactly why they should turn friendly fire on, BUT if you team kill, the cost of the team member's fitting is automatically transfered from your wallet to theirs to cover the cost of you screwing up.

This way if you kill ChicagoCubs while he is on your team, then you are forced to repay him for the fitting you destroyed.

Somehow, I do not think this would deter you from killing him, but would deter nearly all other would be griefers.

Now that's really clever. And sustainable. It also substantially shortens my "who deserves it" list. +1

It's such a great idea that it practically deserves it's own thread.

Matter of fact...

No real tactics? Are you just scared?

wah wah md op wah wah, u bunch of sooks...

It's such a great idea that it practically deserves it's own thread.

Matter of fact...

To me, the problem is not with the mass driver itself, but rather the Community.

I was in a match a little while ago. My squad were the only squad working, everyone else on the blue team were in the hills. Anyway, I command my squad to capture Bravo after taking Delta (4 point map where bravo is in the Round Structure where the "hallway" like room is). This worked well as most of the Red team were at our Redline. My squad captured Bravo, then as expected, encountered heavy resistance. We held Bravo as our only Null Cannon long enough for the red MCC to lose the second half of it's shield and about 1/4 of it's armor.

After repeatedly trying-and failing-to recapture Bravo, the red team decided to resort to scrubbery. My squad, while inside the building, came under attack from about 6 - 10 Reds who were all using some form of explosive weaponry. At this point, the kill feed looked like:

Boundless Mass Driver
Exo-5 Mass Driver
Freedom Assault Mass Driver
M1 Locus Grenade
Core Locus Grenade
Thukker Contact Locus Grenade
Ishukone Assault Forge Gun

They were literally Zerging with nothing but explosives.

Keep in mind this was an interior CQC battle. Where were the Nova Knives? Where were the Shotguns? Where were the Breach ARs? Where were the HMGs?

Nothing other than explosives.

Good tactics? No, Scrubbery!

Now 1 Mass Driver is meh, but when half of the team is using these explosive weapons it is extremely problematic. I have noticed only 1 Mass Driver causing performance issues in game in the form of lag and hit detection issues if you are inside the AoE. When you begin spamming explosives it becomes nearly unplayable.

The whole point of the story is this:

To me, the problem is not with the mass driver itself, but rather the Community.

Many of the people who play this game do not play to have fun, they play to win even at the sacrifice of personal enjoyment.

One could argue that all of those players actually enjoy using those particular weapons, but I seriously doubt that to be the case.

Well Master Jaraiya, how could these types of situations be resolved?

Turn on friendly fire for all matches! Let this become a real tactical, thinking man's shooter.

End the Zerg rushing blobs of Scrubs who have no tactics other than Spam FOTM type weaponry.

If friendly fire were on, then the above story would not have ended with us being Zerged by explosive spamming scrubs. They would have killed more of their own team using those "tactics".

So, CCP, please PLEASE

Turn on friendly fire for all matches! Let this become a real tactical, thinking man's shooter.

Not as OP as the full auto AR, GEK or duvloue ARs.

only problem. what if the fitting has AUR? does it taken from your PS3 wallet?

1. breach AR does not = CQC
2. HMG is horrible in CQC right now
3. where were your shield tankers (caldari assault/logi) as shields take reduced damage to explosives
4. put a GEK or Duvoule in the hand of those guys with explosives and you will know how i feel every single match.

Tried playing tonight and I kept killing people with my nova knifes. but in the kill feed i saw assault rifle. and if you got killed by a flaylock now that's sad. The flaylock sucks sooooooo bad now. Mostly because the hit detection is fked. Flaylock now kill with direct hits since it's radius was nerfed so bad. And to get a direct hit with this hit detection requires a lot of skill. shyt even the shotgun has major issue because of the hit detection. nice try.

Hmm, again, I guess you have a problem with....thought.

When people talk about ARs, they're talking about the mainline ARs, the OP ones. Burst isn't very good, and TAR, while still a little too strong, isn't anything like as strong as it was or as strong as the mainline ARs.

Every weapon in this game is OP if its in the right hands.

Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.

Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.

3. where were your shield tankers (caldari assault/logi) as shields take reduced damage to explosives