DUST Search - How many mass drivers . . .

Master Jaraiya wrote:

To me, the problem is not with the mass driver itself, but rather the Community.

I was in a match a little while ago. My squad were the only squad working, everyone else on the blue team were in the hills. Anyway, I command my squad to capture Bravo after taking Delta (4 point map where bravo is in the Round Structure where the "hallway" like room is). This worked well as most of the Red team were at our Redline. My squad captured Bravo, then as expected, encountered heavy resistance. We held Bravo as our only Null Cannon long enough for the red MCC to lose the second half of it's shield and about 1/4 of it's armor.

After repeatedly trying-and failing-to recapture Bravo, the red team decided to resort to scrubbery. My squad, while inside the building, came under attack from about 6 - 10 Reds who were all using some form of explosive weaponry. At this point, the kill feed looked like:

Boundless Mass Driver
Exo-5 Mass Driver
Freedom Assault Mass Driver
M1 Locus Grenade
Core Locus Grenade
Thukker Contact Locus Grenade
Ishukone Assault Forge Gun

They were literally Zerging with nothing but explosives.

Keep in mind this was an interior CQC battle. Where were the Nova Knives? Where were the Shotguns? Where were the Breach ARs? Where were the HMGs?

Nothing other than explosives.

Good tactics? No, Scrubbery!

Now 1 Mass Driver is meh, but when half of the team is using these explosive weapons it is extremely problematic. I have noticed only 1 Mass Driver causing performance issues in game in the form of lag and hit detection issues if you are inside the AoE. When you begin spamming explosives it becomes nearly unplayable.

The whole point of the story is this:

To me, the problem is not with the mass driver itself, but rather the Community.

Many of the people who play this game do not play to have fun, they play to win even at the sacrifice of personal enjoyment.

One could argue that all of those players actually enjoy using those particular weapons, but I seriously doubt that to be the case.

Well Master Jaraiya, how could these types of situations be resolved?

Turn on friendly fire for all matches! Let this become a real tactical, thinking man's shooter.

End the Zerg rushing blobs of Scrubs who have no tactics other than Spam FOTM type weaponry.

If friendly fire were on, then the above story would not have ended with us being Zerged by explosive spamming scrubs. They would have killed more of their own team using those "tactics".

So, CCP, please PLEASE

Turn on friendly fire for all matches! Let this become a real tactical, thinking man's shooter.


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Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1167	Posted - 2013.08.08 19:51:00 - [1] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: miahus wrote: Mass Driver = giving up light weapon slot for infinite contact grenades. Shhhh don't give the secret away! The concept is a bit silly if you think about it. Truthfully the weapon would function just fine as a grenade launcher, but not a contact grenade launcher. Then, of course, it can't be a "mass driver" so you would have to do a rename. And you probably should anyway, as every time I hear "mass driver" I am thinking about asteroids being lobbed into the surface of the planet to level cities and an arcing grenade launcher does NOT fit the image at all. The mass driver as-is would work better in a game more similar to Tribes where everyone has jetpacks and you are scoring kills based on motion prediction of touchdown. When people are landlocked, it's...... troublesome.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1186	Posted - 2013.08.09 03:37:00 - [2] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: To me, the problem is not with the mass driver itself, but rather the Community. I was in a match a little while ago. My squad were the only squad working, everyone else on the blue team were in the hills. Anyway, I command my squad to capture Bravo after taking Delta (4 point map where bravo is in the Round Structure where the "hallway" like room is). This worked well as most of the Red team were at our Redline. My squad captured Bravo, then as expected, encountered heavy resistance. We held Bravo as our only Null Cannon long enough for the red MCC to lose the second half of it's shield and about 1/4 of it's armor. After repeatedly trying-and failing-to recapture Bravo, the red team decided to resort to scrubbery. My squad, while inside the building, came under attack from about 6 - 10 Reds who were all using some form of explosive weaponry. At this point, the kill feed looked like: Boundless Mass Driver Exo-5 Mass Driver Freedom Assault Mass Driver M1 Locus Grenade Core Locus Grenade Thukker Contact Locus Grenade Ishukone Assault Forge Gun They were literally Zerging with nothing but explosives. Keep in mind this was an interior CQC battle. Where were the Nova Knives? Where were the Shotguns? Where were the Breach ARs? Where were the HMGs? Nothing other than explosives. Good tactics? No, Scrubbery! Now 1 Mass Driver is meh, but when half of the team is using these explosive weapons it is extremely problematic. I have noticed only 1 Mass Driver causing performance issues in game in the form of lag and hit detection issues if you are inside the AoE. When you begin spamming explosives it becomes nearly unplayable. The whole point of the story is this: To me, the problem is not with the mass driver itself, but rather the Community. Many of the people who play this game do not play to have fun, they play to win even at the sacrifice of personal enjoyment. One could argue that all of those players actually enjoy using those particular weapons, but I seriously doubt that to be the case. Well Master Jaraiya, how could these types of situations be resolved? Turn on friendly fire for all matches! Let this become a real tactical, thinking man's shooter. End the Zerg rushing blobs of Scrubs who have no tactics other than Spam FOTM type weaponry. If friendly fire were on, then the above story would not have ended with us being Zerged by explosive spamming scrubs. They would have killed more of their own team using those "tactics". So, CCP, please PLEASE Turn on friendly fire for all matches! Let this become a real tactical, thinking man's shooter. No.