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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
668
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Posted - 2013.08.07 13:54:00 -
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OK, I did just play a match and the other team was running mostly MDs |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
17
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Posted - 2013.08.07 13:55:00 -
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Hopefully we'll see enough Mass Drivers to catch up with the number of ARs. Just putting it out there that both of them are primary weapons and ought to be capable of killing you. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
738
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:01:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:OK, I did just play a match and the other team was running mostly MDs
Thats funny....you should have taken a page from Busters book and mark down all the kills for that game....then come on and complain about how MDs are destroying diversity since the majority of kills were being done by the MD. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
958
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:03:00 -
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Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them. |
Taeryn Frost
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:07:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them.
Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got
Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway. |
Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
281
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:22:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:A lot.
I've been using them the last couple of weeks, and they are still OP, but not by much. Reducing the Splash Radius to pre-buff levels and making the ROF a little slower would make them hit the sweet spot.
Maybe.
This is ********. If you were a dedicated MD user you would know how terrible the MD was pre-buff, and how anything MD except the Boundless Assault was useless. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
959
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:24:00 -
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Taeryn Frost wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them. Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway.
Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
104
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:27:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote: Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging.
I generally found that the best way to kill MDers without vehicles is one of four things: MD, PC, FG, balls to the wall shotty scout.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
918
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:29:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them.
Rush them. You may die but it's funny seeing the suicide message.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
299
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:30:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Taeryn Frost wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them. Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway. Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging.
Tac AR / Sniper / flank
AR / ScR if you are a hero (can dodge well, have enough shield and you are a great shot) |
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Angamar Blackrock
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
4
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:31:00 -
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Been using a MD for months now and while 1.3 made them good I think they are short of OP. What I have seen is a handful of people who are really good with it and they are a nightmare to play against but I think that is true of all weapons. I see a next tier of players like me that are ok with it. Yeah, we can be annoying but getting the kill with an indirect fire weapon on a moving target is not always an easy thing. Then there are are the FotM spammers who just carpet an area. While annoying, just go around them. In addition, it is the flux/MD combo that is so strong, so it is actually 2 weapons in conjunction causing the noise.
If I run into shield tank and I am out of fluxes, I will generally lose unless I land some direct hits. That'/ where those few who are really good with it shine. |
Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
281
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:31:00 -
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Taeryn Frost wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them. Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway.
If that's what you're doing then no wonder you're dying. You WANT to go into CQC with an MD user. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1002
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:33:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Taeryn Frost wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them. Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway. Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging.
1) Get on higher ground without a verticle area behind you for his splash damage to strike. This takes away his ability to splash you. He must get direct hits.
2) Engage from a distance 2v1. Coordinated fires/ target calling has to improve in Dust. Don't engage from the same field of fire either. If his advantage is that he can pop out of cover to hit you, avoid damage until he isn't able to use that cover becuase you have that cover suppressed as well. I really think MD users are forced to have more tunnel vision compared to AR/rifle users due to their round's time to target. Drawing his focus away from somebody and flanking him is helpful.
3) Think in terms of explosion radius. You want to limit where rounds can explode near you. |
pdiddy anfama
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
32
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:34:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:A lot.
I've been using them the last couple of weeks, and they are still OP, but not by much. Reducing the Splash Radius to pre-buff levels and making the ROF a little slower would make them hit the sweet spot.
Maybe.
Splash is the whole purpose of the weapon. To deter grouping. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1002
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:38:00 -
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pdiddy anfama wrote:Flyingconejo wrote:A lot.
I've been using them the last couple of weeks, and they are still OP, but not by much. Reducing the Splash Radius to pre-buff levels and making the ROF a little slower would make them hit the sweet spot.
Maybe. Splash is the whole purpose of the weapon. To deter grouping.
Pretty sure the splash radius used to be even bigger. They may have buffed it a tiny bit, now its the skills people are putting into it, and the fact that splash is working as intended that makes it feel 'buffed'. Do we not remember people shooting and completely getting 0 damage already? |
pdiddy anfama
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
32
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:38:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well. Fear not, I hear rumours of being buffed. Incidentally, you should try speccing into triage nanohives as well. After my logi suit that is the next thing on my list... or was it better flux grenades... or was it better armor upgrades... ah crap.... see I just cannot make up my mind.
Armor tanking is crap go as high as enhanced only. Then stack reps or profile dampening. |
Angamar Blackrock
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
4
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:42:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Taeryn Frost wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them. Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway. Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging.
Things that routinely kill me when using a MD:
Snipers Tac AR Shotty Myself :)
Remember, MD is really good for logis and logis have no sidearm. More often than not, those MD users are logis that you can close on and fight in CQC. This can easily lead to the logi killing himself in the blast. |
pdiddy anfama
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
32
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:43:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them.
To destroy mass driver destroy him with nade then keep on shooting him. Do not let off the trigger. Do not let the MD user throw flux on you. If he does hide then come back out. Chances are he already used most of his flux nades trying to get your shields out the first time.
EDIT: Most people think you can just stand still and shoot a MD user. DONT!!! move and shoot, make every shot count. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
959
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:43:00 -
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Angamar Blackrock wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Taeryn Frost wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them. Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway. Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging. Things that routinely kill me when using a MD: Snipers Tac AR Shotty Myself :) Remember, MD is really good for logis and logis have no sidearm. More often than not, those MD users are logis that you can close on and fight in CQC. This can easily lead to the logi killing himself in the blast.
Gonna try out the MD for the first time since Chromosome. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
738
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:48:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Taeryn Frost wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them. Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway. Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging.
Way to "counter" them. Use a weapon that has longer range and sit back and outrange them (so you have to be pretty far away for this to work). If you can get into CQC....I mean true CQC then they will hurt themselves while they shoot you...as long as they dont hit you directly you will be doing more dmg with your shots + their own dmg being dealt to themselves.
Dont even try to "dodge" being hit by the AOE....its simply not possible. The best you can do is to positions yourself in a way that the blast radius does not help them......unfortunately the brilliantly designed maps by CCP allow for very few areas where you can position objects between you and the MD round.
People say height advantage is the best method....but that is the best method vs every single weapon in the game. So in reality if you say the only way to counter an MD is to have height advantage then that is just a laughable statement.
Not even LAVs are safe as your dropsuit will take dmg if your char is in the explosive radius....even when it hits the vehicle. |
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
959
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:53:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Taeryn Frost wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Since we are all here, how do you counter a Mass driver? Getting destroyed by them. Get in a tank/dropship or avoid CQC...that's all I got Note: Being in a vehicle means you'll probably die anyway. Come on there has to be a proper way to counter it, if this is the only way to counter the weapon I might have to take back the "I don't think the weapon is OP". The weapon cannot be that powerful that the only way to counter is by running away and not re engaging. Way to "counter" them. Use a weapon that has longer range and sit back and outrange them (so you have to be pretty far away for this to work). If you can get into CQC....I mean true CQC then they will hurt themselves while they shoot you...as long as they dont hit you directly you will be doing more dmg with your shots + their own dmg being dealt to themselves. Dont even try to "dodge" being hit by the AOE....its simply not possible. The best you can do is to positions yourself in a way that the blast radius does not help them......unfortunately the brilliantly designed maps by CCP allow for very few areas where you can position objects between you and the MD round. People say height advantage is the best method....but that is the best method vs every single weapon in the game. So in reality if you say the only way to counter an MD is to have height advantage then that is just a laughable statement. Not even LAVs are safe as your dropsuit will take dmg if your char is in the explosive radius....even when it hits the vehicle.
Had somebody cook a grenade and rush at me, killed himself along with me... |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
738
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:57:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote: Had somebody cook a grenade and rush at me, killed himself along with me...
He should get kudos for sheer ballsy move. |
Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
168
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Posted - 2013.08.07 15:26:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Flyingconejo wrote:A lot.
I've been using them the last couple of weeks, and they are still OP, but not by much. Reducing the Splash Radius to pre-buff levels and making the ROF a little slower would make them hit the sweet spot.
Maybe. This is ********. If you were a dedicated MD user you would know how terrible the MD was pre-buff, and how anything MD except the Boundless Assault was useless. No, he's right. The MD was given at least an extra 1m splash radius in addition to fixed hit detection.
The extra radius wasn't necessary. I don't think the ROF needs a nerf though. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
355
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Posted - 2013.08.07 15:29:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.
Hey Sox! |
pdiddy anfama
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
33
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Posted - 2013.08.07 15:32:00 -
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Stile451 wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Flyingconejo wrote:A lot.
I've been using them the last couple of weeks, and they are still OP, but not by much. Reducing the Splash Radius to pre-buff levels and making the ROF a little slower would make them hit the sweet spot.
Maybe. This is ********. If you were a dedicated MD user you would know how terrible the MD was pre-buff, and how anything MD except the Boundless Assault was useless. No, he's right. The MD was given at least an extra 1m splash radius in addition to fixed hit detection. The extra radius wasn't necessary. I don't think the ROF needs a nerf though.
MD is an anti grouping weapon meant to prevent zerging. It should have the splash damage. It works as intended, carry on. |
Zedra Faiolin
PiZzA DuDeS
5
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Posted - 2013.08.07 15:43:00 -
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The Mass driver is OP, NOT because of the damage out put or anything to actually do with the Mass driver. It's OP because the counter is the Sniper Rifle (at least for roof camping variants), and anything that would cause a favorable outlook on the Sniper Rifle needs to be destroyed completely and utterly. People's hatred for snipers can not be allowed to wane. |
Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
837
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:01:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Personally my SP from this double SP week is going towards getting into an advanced logi suit. Probably the Gallente one. Because I am not smart... and I armor tank... while using a mass driver... this should end well.
Well I am an armour tanking MD user, however when I do kill myself to make myself feel better what I do is think not that I just blew myself to tiny pieces I think of it instead as denying the enemy WP's. It helps a little. |
Eldest Dragon
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
70
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:49:00 -
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Acturus Galaxy wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:. . . will we see by the end of this x2 sp week?
By the end of the last multiple SP week, the number of flaylocks in the average match roughly tripled, and they suffered a nerf soon after.
Now, I love the mass driver. I started to think it was OP too until I took better ARs into the field, and we know from these forums that too few AR players believe they should be killed by anything other than more ARs.
So I'm wondering how many mass drivers you folks think will show up this week? I do not use massdrivers and I do not find them overpowered even though I am armor tanked. I like the variety and it just take some time for AR users to get accustomed to the massdrivers. They are not that good out in the open when you can keep the distance. The massdriver is really good in close urban combat zones and that is the only areas I have found them to be a problem. Their range is shorter and it gives more room for infantry to move around and not being sniped by duvoulles. I have learned my lesson to keep my distance from massdrivers or instead run right into the massdriver user and have him kill himself with his weapon.
I call bs, I got owned just the other day, in an open field. There suppressing weapons, and thats the point, I should win in the wide open at mid range. And if you wanna troll and say I suck go ahead and trololol all day, I have almost 10mil sp and my ar is almost maxed, the mass driver is op thats a fact.
With that said, its not very op, just needs a rof nerf I believe. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
63
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:54:00 -
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The ways to counter a mass driver are: -higher ground -hell even level ground is easy enough to dodge most shots or hide behind cover -or get up close and personal so that they either suicide or you get the kill |
xLT Green
Damage Core corp. The Superpowers
18
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Posted - 2013.08.07 17:17:00 -
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I don't think its op just over used |
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