Dear mercenaries,

The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event.

Weekly skill point cap is set to 380,800 (that is double the normal 190,400!).

Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.

Just to make sure I understand: normally you gain sp's for just being in a match. You will still get that SP, but it won't be doubled. So then the only doubled SP's will be those from war points?

And since the cap is doubled, AFK'ers will still be able to reach the cap, but just will take them twice as long since that passive SP is not doubled? In other words, there will probably be more AFK'ing than normal, since it will take them longer...

Dear mercenaries,

The time has come to let loose the dogs of war again in New Eden during August and to make the lives of mercenaries more interesting, we are holding another 2x skill point event!

See below for details:

Time GÇô August 7-14 from downtime to downtime.

The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event.

Weekly skill point cap is set to 380,800 (that is double the normal 190,400!).

Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.

Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.

DonGÇÖt forget to take advantage of this event and maximize your skill point gains with active skill boosters, so stock up on those before the event starts!

We are also working on bringing you more variations of the skill point events in the coming months, so be sure to check our announcements regularly for more updates.

Dear mercenaries,

The time has come to let loose the dogs of war again in New Eden during August and to make the lives of mercenaries more interesting, we are holding another 2x skill point event!

See below for details:

Time GÇô August 7-14 from downtime to downtime.

The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event.

Weekly skill point cap is set to 380,800 (that is double the normal 190,400!).

Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.

Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.

DonGÇÖt forget to take advantage of this event and maximize your skill point gains with active skill boosters, so stock up on those before the event starts!

We are also working on bringing you more variations of the skill point events in the coming months, so be sure to check our announcements regularly for more updates.

Dear mercenaries,

Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.

I'm confused... I thought the majority of Bonus SP was Passive anyway. This means I just have a larger cap to hit........

Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.

Seriously though, very encouraging. Why not cut passive skillpoints in half for the event? I suspect that would give us all some great pub matches.

http://dustsearch.com/thread/99986#14

Is there something I should know about?

PASSIVE IN BATTLE is not doubled. Regular passive is doubled. Learn to read <3

You should know when to stop trolling before you get parmabanned, I guess?

I just don't understand why this was announced so last minute. It hardly feels like an event at all.

It is double sp. You get 2x more sp than regular week. It is not that hard to understand and there is no need to troll. :)

Correction, you only get 2x active SP, so it's more like a 30% boost? I forgot the math to be honest.

I assume this change is to test adjusting the ratio between SP gains via war points and SP gains via staying alive in the MCC?

If so, I can tell you that the majority of non-hardcore players will struggle to hit their cap that week.

I think if changes like this are going to be permanent, then being able to roll over the active SP cap between weeks is required.

Also they just need to make the progression faster in this game. Even with boosters the grind takes waaaaay too long to just specialize in one thing. Never mind speccing into new stuff.

Okay, I think I understand your confusion.

There are two sources of SP

Passive, which you accrue over time, at 1000 per hour, in combat, out of combat, logged in, logged out, whatever.

And active, which you recieve at the end of a battle.

For the ACTIVE portion, it is further divided into two parts.

Battle time, and Warpoints.

The battle time portion is what the OP is referring to by "passive" You simply earn 5 WP per second in battle (until you hit cap)

The warpoint portion is you get 1 SP per WP in battle. Even if you have reached weekly cap, you still recieve this, (up to 1000 per battle)



What the OP is saying, is the WP portion is doubled. Now, the WP portion is almost negligable compared to the battle time portion, so doubling it won't do much.

the TRUE passive SP is untouched.

Typical ordinary wp/h is probably 3000 (based on 1000 WP per skirmish or 750 WP per ambush). so the benefit to playing over AFKing is taking only x1.8 longer rather than x2. This is isn't all that much of an incentive to not AFK. At least not for me - I just don't have time for 17 hours of fun around chores, job, etc.

This would be awesome. They must eradicate AFKing. More SP from WP, less passive, enable rollover. Maybe make the passive kick in after earning a minimum amount of WP, like 200, or after dieing 4 times or so. Also they just need to make the progression faster in this game. Even with boosters the grind takes waaaaay too long to just specialize in one thing. Never mind speccing into new stuff.

Why not something simpler which doesn't spit new players in the face who can't get 200 WP. I guess the simplest possible method to fix AFKing would be: 1SP for each second in match and 5SP for every warpoint earned. Just switching the numbers.

Where are the Passive 60 and 90 day Omega Boosters to go along with this event?

I only bought 3 30 day ones because I figured within 3 months you guys would release the other two...

So this event will award SP at 5 SP per second + 2 SP per WP (rather than the current 5 SP per second + 1 SP per WP).

The effect is this:
Table: http://i.imgur.com/DRIczly.png?1
Graph: http://i.imgur.com/Uhevhax.png?1

Typical ordinary wp/h is probably 3000 (based on 1000 WP per skirmish or 750 WP per ambush). so the benefit to playing over AFKing is taking only x1.8 longer rather than x2. This is isn't all that much of an incentive to not AFK. At least not for me - I just don't have time for 17 hours of fun around chores, job, etc.

Now if you'd gone for a much more generous 5 SP per WP you'd get something like this:
Table: http://i.imgur.com/qIVjhjV.png?1
Graph: http://i.imgur.com/SzTbIb6.png?1

edit: added graphs

And to demonstrate in graph form the number of hours it will take to hit cap, you can clearly see that the 2x WP doesn't really reduce the grind very much from the 2x it is for merely AFKing.

Graph: http://i.imgur.com/SzTbIb6.png?1

Something much more substantial would be required.

So in order to combat afk farming they are making it only active WP SP, but keeping the cap?
So essentially those of use even those of us who can get 1000 WP a match will only get and extra 1000 SP a match, but still have a larger cap. This means I have practically twice as long to cap..... So I'm going to AFK farm at some point which I wouldn't do otherwise.

oh boy! and i just finished level 5 shield extenders >:3

CCP gives players extra SP from their games (even though it's not really a lot), increases the weekly cap.

And yet there are various whines, in particular "OMG I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HIT MY CAP WTF CCP STUPID DECISION"

This event ONLY increases ACTIVE sp. You can't cap afking as the sp won't hit it, whether the cap is doubled or quadrupled.

Dear mercenaries,

The time has come to let loose the dogs of war again in New Eden during August and to make the lives of mercenaries more interesting, we are holding another 2x skill point event!

See below for details:

Time GÇô August 7-14 from downtime to downtime.

The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event.

Weekly skill point cap is set to 380,800 (that is double the normal 190,400!).

Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.

Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.

DonGÇÖt forget to take advantage of this event and maximize your skill point gains with active skill boosters, so stock up on those before the event starts!

We are also working on bringing you more variations of the skill point events in the coming months, so be sure to check our announcements regularly for more updates.

I still don't see how this event worries people about afk, since it only affects active sp. That was my point. Maybe folks will get a little more than the usual afk for wp time in battle, but that's not gonna compare to the benefits of active play with the bonus.
And whatever warpoints you get, 10000 active sp per battle will get you to 390000 active sp in 39 battles, which is easily doable in a week. I'm not mining for the numbers here, this is just doubling a skirmish round number (a mediocre match without boosters). But whew, you sure did flame me with your trollmath

I'm sorry but if you look at my post from earlier (page 2 I think) then you can easily see that your assumptions are wrong. AFK players have to plays for 2x as long. Players who are earning 3000 WP per hour have to play 1.8x as long. at 5000 WP per hour it's 1.6x as long to complete.

So yep. as you can see you can AFK very easily to reach the doubled cap.

So what you're saying is...the cap is doubled...and people can still AFK in the MCC...and if they do it long enough they'll reach the cap. Turns out basic reasoning works. Huzzah!

To be honest AFKing in the MCC is a game mechanic. It's one of the things you can do, like solo mining, mission running, or can flipping in EVE. The difference is it contributes nothing to the community. Even solo missioning has it's place in the EVE economy and social network. In both EVE and DUST players will discover every nook and cranny of what's possible for them in game and a percentage of players will do that thing, no matter what it is. Someone could claim MCC AFKing as their DUST "career" and no one could deny them. If it can be done, it's part of the game.

So the only answer is to remove it from the game. An simple solution would be to make the MCC auto drop someone who's been in there too long. If the fall doesn't kill them a sniper will shortly. (Make sure they show up on spawn map for all to see after standing under the MCC for 10 secs.) Or the offender could just be eviscerated in the MCC as penalty for shirking his duties.

OR

People could stop worrying so much about what other people are doing and worry about their own WPs. Fact is if you are sitting in the MCC then your game is lacking. Skillz will always beat SP.

Fark so I'm beginning to feel like, as a mediocre player with 7m SP main char, pub-stomping will make such a grand return that for the first time ever, the thought has popped into my head that I *need* to AFK to keep up.

That said, I am also grateful that I may have the chance to earn more SP than I might usually. We'll see.

So what you're saying is...the cap is doubled...and people can still AFK in the MCC...and if they do it long enough they'll reach the cap. Turns out basic reasoning works. Huzzah!

To be honest AFKing in the MCC is a game mechanic. It's one of the things you can do, like solo mining, mission running, or can flipping in EVE. The difference is it contributes nothing to the community. Even solo missioning has it's place in the EVE economy and social network. In both EVE and DUST players will discover every nook and cranny of what's possible for them in game and a percentage of players will do that thing, no matter what it is. Someone could claim MCC AFKing as their DUST "career" and no one could deny them. If it can be done, it's part of the game.

So the only answer is to remove it from the game. An simple solution would be to make the MCC auto drop someone who's been in there too long. If the fall doesn't kill them a sniper will shortly. (Make sure they show up on spawn map for all to see after standing under the MCC for 10 secs.) Or the offender could just be eviscerated in the MCC as penalty for shirking his duties.

Okay, I think I understand your confusion.

There are two sources of SP

Passive, which you accrue over time, at 1000 per hour, in combat, out of combat, logged in, logged out, whatever.

And active, which you recieve at the end of a battle.

For the ACTIVE portion, it is further divided into two parts.

Battle time, and Warpoints.

The battle time portion is what the OP is referring to by "passive" You simply earn 5 WP per second in battle (until you hit cap)

The warpoint portion is you get 1 SP per WP in battle. Even if you have reached weekly cap, you still recieve this, (up to 1000 per battle)



What the OP is saying, is the WP portion is doubled. Now, the WP portion is almost negligable compared to the battle time portion, so doubling it won't do much.

the TRUE passive SP is untouched.

Someone on my team who is AFKing in the MCC is directly costing me ISK and fun, because it makes my team less competitive and me more likely to die. If they're on the other team it helps my ISK but equally gimps my fun, which is the more important of the two. So I'm thinking about #1 here. If CCP does nothing about this then they are neglecting all of us who are inconvenienced by this bummery.

Well I have been playing for some time now and have never heard it laid out like this, if this is true then that explains why as a sniper I get screwed on active sp since we never do battle we shoot and wait and only get credit for the kill. Thanks for enlightening me on how much more snipers are screwed in this game.

I would agree with you but what you stated is based on an assumption that blueberries can be helpful. Which is not my experience. Especially not the scrub blueberries who AFK on the reg. And also, CCP has a history of appeasing whiners so I am sure AFKing will be over soon enough. Then all the whiners can come up with something else that someone is doing that they don't like...

They at least provide a target that is not me. Does "whining" translate to "feedback" in troll?

So AFKers are gimping your fun and you feel neglected by CCP and this is just feedback, not whining? My mistake...

I think everyone should be happy that they can earn 2X SP for the week. I know it may cause battles to be played different because of AFK or people just going for hacks and turrets. It's only for 1 week and if you don't like how the battle is going then run a cheap suit and do what you can to survive.

Yes, I'm pointing out a glaring problem and why it matters and brainstorming solutions. Enlighten us as to the difference between whining and feedback if you would.

Actually, this is a thread about the 2x SP week so how about you go post in one of the hundreds of other threads about AFKing if you really have to do it. Oh, and whining is kinda like feedback, except my internal voice narrates it with a high pitched nerdy squeal.

(Darth Vader voice) Well genius...the reason this "Double" SP event is gimped down to only double WP, which account for less than half the SP from a round, is so that AFKing won't spike due to people exploiting the doubled 5 WP/sec in battle.

And to demonstrate in graph form the number of hours it will take to hit cap, you can clearly see that the 2x WP doesn't really reduce the grind very much from the 2x it is for merely AFKing.

Graph: http://i.imgur.com/SzTbIb6.png?1

Something much more substantial would be required.

Ok, so I missed the terminology because folks were saying passive sp. What's not being doubled is sp from the passive wp gain in battle, as opposed to from kills/hacks/logi?

Agreed. I don't see how this can help deter AFKing. If anything, you should AFK and cap tomorrow so you can play with doubled Active SP all week. Not saying I would do that......

From my understanding we will only earn x2 SP from War Points, which means that if you get 800 WP in a match you'll get 1600 SP from that instead of 800, on top of the 5 WP/sec you earn from just being in the battle. So it's far from a true Double SP event.

So this means that instead of getting only 1,000 wp per match after the cap, that would now be 2,000...and with a booster, 3000!

i love you

Why not something simpler which doesn't spit new players in the face who can't get 200 WP. I guess the simplest possible method to fix AFKing would be: 1SP for each second in match and 5SP for every warpoint earned. Just switching the numbers.

Been doing some measurements of SP earned both from being active and being afk during this event today.

Each AFK number is taken from a domination where I joined from start to finish

4035
4563
6200 (Both sides delayed capturing the objective until both MCCs were down to 50% armor.
4302

These numbers below were taken with active participation (I am a sniper, not a plinker.)

4021 (600wp)
5233 (1500wp) [Our team pubstomped the other bad.]
3556 (200 wp) [On the receiving end of a pubstomp]
4243 (500wp)


So far, this event only encourages more pubstomping, and afking gives just the same benefits without the stress of being on the receiving end of a pubstomp.


There's been good suggestions and graphs on how to run this better to encourage more active players, but this event right now only benefits the people in all proto gear picking on the less fortunate.

While I'm veering off topic a bit, why don't we have Hi-Sec and Low-Sec, where Low-Sec doesn't allow anything prototype in? Considering how fast you get out of academy now, it's pretty disheartening to the new player to be continually f****d by the guy who's got 15m sp.

I'm kinda surprised to see no further CPM or dev comments in this thread.

Why would they, with the toxic, self-entitled whining Debbite downers all over the place

CCP effectively raises the cap, people complain that they aren't getting enough bonuses to SP gain to hit it before Sunday

I'm not getting double anything, no double WP, no double SP. Only thing double is the bonus SP.

[*] Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.

Why would they, with the toxic, self-entitled whining Debbite downers all over the place

CCP effectively raises the cap, people complain that they aren't getting enough bonuses to SP gain to hit it before Sunday

From my understanding we will only earn x2 SP from War Points, which means that if you get 800 WP in a match you'll get 1600 SP from that instead of 800, on top of the 5 WP/sec you earn from just being in the battle. So it's far from a true Double SP event.

Aye, that seems to be true too. While I won't look a gift horse in the mouth, I would like double WP and double Active Booster SP as described in the OP.

As I said before, I don't see that it's churlish to point out how this event (sadly) ends up being one which is a grindfest; rather than being fun for it's own sake. CCP and the CPM have specifically spoken about how they don't want future event to be grind-heavy. I feel I've been very measured and reasonable in my posts explaining the reasons why, along with suggesting a possible solution.

August sp event = epic fail!! The only way to earn your cap this week is to lay twice as much . People like myself with real jobs don't have time for this. Everyone please give a round of applause to ccp for botching probably the most anticipated event they have. Keep up the good work turds!

Respect for being understanding and not one of those ranting around.

Looks you might've misunderstood few things:
* The WPs are the same but when converted into total SP rewards their value is doubled to usual. Effectively giving about +20% total increase (+/- 10%)

* There has been no talk about active booster effectiveness increase. Although a bit confusing terminology, this time the "active skill point gain" only refers to actively gained part of your SP rewards which are the WPs.

Maybe not you, but take a look at the post directly below yours:

Tell me again, why would CCP or the CPM want to bother responding when you have people complaining even thought they've lost NOTHING in this event.

Maybe not you, but take a look at the post directly below yours:

Tell me again, why would CCP or the CPM want to bother responding when you have people complaining even thought they've lost NOTHING in this event.

Did anyone cap out yet? Can we confirm that you only need 500 warpoints to reach the 1000 sp per match soft cap?

I'm not even sure if there has been near enough time for that! I got half of it yesterday and that was playing ALL day.

Same. I played all of yesterday with some match totals even breaking 3000 War Points earned (I think my average was over 1500 WP yesterday, thanks to my corpies letting me squad lead) and even with those totals throughout hours of play I still have around 170k worth of cap left.

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I don't expect a response from them or you for that matter. Those of us who haven't been on the game from the beginning, would like to take advantage of these events in order to keep up with these proto's w/ flaylocks and mass drivers. I would imagine ccp runs these events to try and draw more people into there game so they can sink money into it such as myself, but who wants to do that when they are getting dominated right out of the spawning point? You run an event like this so your newer players can gain some ground and actually want to play the game instead of wanting to smash there controller and never play again. Catch my drift or is my logic beyond your thought process troll?

I'm not even sure if there has been near enough time for that! I got half of it yesterday and that was playing ALL day.

August sp event = epic fail!! The only way to earn your cap this week is to lay twice as much . People like myself with real jobs don't have time for this. Everyone please give a round of applause to ccp for botching probably the most anticipated event they have. Keep up the good work turds!

Well that's your problem right there, you're laying twice as much! You should get off your lazy bones ass and Play twice as much!! Then you'd get more sp!!

Wow so what you're saying is that the "double SP" really only gets you to 1000 SP in a match faster and after that you're capped? This is more like a x1.2 SP + x2 SP Cap Event.

I don't expect a response from them or you for that matter. Those of us who haven't been on the game from the beginning, would like to take advantage of these events in order to keep up with these proto's w/ flaylocks and mass drivers. I would imagine ccp runs these events to try and draw more people into there game so they can sink money into it such as myself, but who wants to do that when they are getting dominated right out of the spawning point? You run an event like this so your newer players can gain some ground and actually want to play the game instead of wanting to smash there controller and never play again. Catch my drift or is my logic beyond your thought process troll?

Why would they, with the toxic, self-entitled whining Debbie downers all over the place

CCP effectively raises the cap, people complain that they aren't getting enough bonuses to SP gain to hit it before Sunday

Hi to all! Noob here. I just played some matches today and didn't get double Skill Points....Can someone explain me how this event works? Is double skill points event after you finish every match?


Thank you very much!

No not everyone, only you troll.

definition of a troll...

A. Dustwaffle

B. Someone who comes to these forums to comment only on what other people say and not the subject at hand.

Don't get bitter, get better my bored little friend.

Not at all. I was hoping you would friend me in the game so I could join your corp

Dear mercenaries,

The time has come to let loose the dogs of war again in New Eden during August and to make the lives of mercenaries more interesting, we are holding another 2x skill point event!

See below for details:

Time GÇô August 7-14 from downtime to downtime.

The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event.

Weekly skill point cap is set to 380,800 (that is double the normal 190,400!).

Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.

Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.

DonGÇÖt forget to take advantage of this event and maximize your skill point gains with active skill boosters, so stock up on those before the event starts!

We are also working on bringing you more variations of the skill point events in the coming months, so be sure to check our announcements regularly for more updates.

what is AFK farming???

Not sure what it stands for. From my understanding it's when someone joins a battle with you and does absolutely nothing. I.e. Standing in the MCC the whole match. By doing this they still accumulate SP but screw their team.

Dear mercenaries,

The time has come to let loose the dogs of war again in New Eden during August and to make the lives of mercenaries more interesting, we are holding another 2x skill point event!

See below for details:

Time GÇô August 7-14 from downtime to downtime.

The double skill point gain applies to all matches played in DUST 514 for the duration of the event.

Weekly skill point cap is set to 380,800 (that is double the normal 190,400!).

Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.

Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.

DonGÇÖt forget to take advantage of this event and maximize your skill point gains with active skill boosters, so stock up on those before the event starts!

We are also working on bringing you more variations of the skill point events in the coming months, so be sure to check our announcements regularly for more updates.

Not sure what it stands for. From my understanding it's when someone joins a battle with you and does absolutely nothing. I.e. Standing in the MCC the whole match. By doing this they still accumulate SP but screw their team.

Amazing event, is this just to save face and keep the servers up, because dust is dead as a door nail

Don't you get bored of doing this?

AFK Farming? What does that mean?

No not everyone, only you troll.

definition of a troll...

A. Dustwaffle

B. Someone who comes to these forums to comment only on what other people say and not the subject at hand.

Don't get bitter, get better my bored little friend.

Now the event is over I can confirm I wasn't getting double WP or Active Booster. Now I'm grinding the "normal" cap I'm getting pretty much the exact same amount of SP as I normally do irrespective of the event.

While I appreciate the event and extra SP, I, like others, have found the event to be a massive grind fest (more than normal!). I run 3 characters and by the time I finished all 3 I was nearly burnt out and even contemplating not playing for a while. I guess this isn't the kind of reaction CCP would hope for.

The previous event (Tripple SP), the WP and Active Booster was correct, I was getting between 25K and 35K per match, meaning the grind wasn't as taxing. This event was the complete opposite.

Please CCP, can you c/d that WP and Active Booster was borked during this event?

Your SP reward is calculated by 5 SP for each second that you play + 1 SP for each WP that you earn. The event changed that to 5 SP for each second that you play + 2 SP for each WP that you earn.

Clearly when most of your SP come from the time spent in the battle and not from the WP that you earn, you'll find that your SP reward does not double in size. This is the way that they designed it, though many of us pointed out that the consequence was an increase in grind required to hit the SP cap for all players.

Thanks for clearing that up..... again. Here we are on page 9 of this thread (and the event is over) and we still have people who lack the basic reading comprehension to go to the beginning of the thread before going all crybaby. This questions has been asked and answered sooooooo many times during this thread you almost have to be trolling to keep on about it.... lulz
edit: comment directed at rogue saint, not absolute idiom II.

top 1/30th of the players

AFK Farming? What does that mean?

Away From Keyboard. AFK.

Farming; the grinding of points/cash/items/loot in a game, very prevalent in video games. The more grind focused the game the more likely gamers will discover ways to grind with as little effort required as possible.

In DUST it has evolved to players that park their clone in the MCC (Mobile Command Carrier aka big thing in sky). They earn nearly as much ISK/SP as those that play but they contribute nothing to the win and enough of them can guarantee a loss. Fun. Additionally it generates many, many posts with suggestions (most from non-programmers) letting CCP/Shanghai know how easy it is to fix if they would only use their very special idea. Which is an absolutely perfect silver bullet*.

Many of the suggestions would lead to unfairly punishing New Berries (players new to DUST).

Others will constantly want WP adjusted as well. Much of the current WP/SP/ISK balance was determined during Beta (closed and open) when vehicles could be driven into installations then repairing both in the red zone thus enabling those with repair tools (aka everyone) to generate vast WP totals without shooting a weapon nor getting shot at.

Gamers game everything. It is best to remember that.



* The essence of software development dictates that there Cannot Be A Silver Bullet.