DUST Search - Announcement:Double Skill Point Event for August!

dustwaffle wrote:

Absolute Idiom II wrote:

dustwaffle wrote:

Absolute Idiom II wrote:

I'm kinda surprised to see no further CPM or dev comments in this thread.

Why would they, with the toxic, self-entitled whining Debbite downers all over the place Shocked

CCP effectively raises the cap, people complain that they aren't getting enough bonuses to SP gain to hit it before Sunday Roll

As I said before, I don't see that it's churlish to point out how this event (sadly) ends up being one which is a grindfest; rather than being fun for it's own sake. CCP and the CPM have specifically spoken about how they don't want future event to be grind-heavy. I feel I've been very measured and reasonable in my posts explaining the reasons why, along with suggesting a possible solution.

Maybe not you, but take a look at the post directly below yours:

Death Dealer86 wrote:

August sp event = epic fail!! The only way to earn your cap this week is to lay twice as much Evil

. People like myself with real jobs don't have time for this. Everyone please give a round of applause to ccp for botching probably the most anticipated event they have. Keep up the good work turds!

Tell me again, why would CCP or the CPM want to bother responding when you have people complaining even thought they've lost NOTHING in this event.


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Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 293	Posted - 2013.08.06 09:02:00 - [1] - Quote So this event will award SP at 5 SP per second + 2 SP per WP (rather than the current 5 SP per second + 1 SP per WP). The effect is this: http://i.imgur.com/DRIczly.png?1 Typical ordinary wp/h is probably 3000 (based on 1000 WP per skirmish or 750 WP per ambush). so the benefit to playing over AFKing is taking only x1.8 longer rather than x2. This is isn't all that much of an incentive to not AFK. At least not for me - I just don't have time for 17 hours of fun around chores, job, etc. Now if you'd gone for a much more generous 5 SP per WP you'd get something like this: http://i.imgur.com/qIVjhjV.png?1
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 295	Posted - 2013.08.06 10:14:00 - [2] - Quote Actually 1 second = 5 SP and always has done. 1 WP is doubling to 2 SP.
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 297	Posted - 2013.08.06 11:21:00 - [3] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: I assume this change is to test adjusting the ratio between SP gains via war points and SP gains via staying alive in the MCC? If so, I can tell you that the majority of non-hardcore players will struggle to hit their cap that week. I think if changes like this are going to be permanent, then being able to roll over the active SP cap between weeks is required. This would be awesome. They must eradicate AFKing. More SP from WP, less passive, enable rollover. Maybe make the passive kick in after earning a minimum amount of WP, like 200, or after dieing 4 times or so. Also they just need to make the progression faster in this game. Even with boosters the grind takes waaaaay too long to just specialize in one thing. Never mind speccing into new stuff. Why not something simpler which doesn't spit new players in the face who can't get 200 WP. I guess the simplest possible method to fix AFKing would be: 1SP for each second in match and 5SP for every warpoint earned. Just switching the numbers. Although it would be great to do this, CCP seem reticent to do so because many players simply stop playing once they have hit their SP cap for the week. In the absence of a global SP maximum which simply increases each week (allowing anyone to keep playing to catchup to this total) and/or a SP cap rollover I can't see them making a change that would simply reduce the number of man-hours Dust is played globally each week.
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 299	Posted - 2013.08.06 11:45:00 - [4] - Quote And to demonstrate in graph form the number of hours it will take to hit cap, you can clearly see that the 2x WP doesn't really reduce the grind very much from the 2x it is for merely AFKing. Graph: http://i.imgur.com/SzTbIb6.png?1 Something much more substantial would be required.
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 304	Posted - 2013.08.06 13:42:00 - [5] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: So in order to combat afk farming they are making it only active WP SP, but keeping the cap? So essentially those of use even those of us who can get 1000 WP a match will only get and extra 1000 SP a match, but still have a larger cap. This means I have practically twice as long to cap..... So I'm going to AFK farm at some point which I wouldn't do otherwise. You've completely misunderstood. This event will award SP at 5 SP per second + 2 SP per WP (rather than the current 5 SP per second + 1 SP per WP).
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 317	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:54:00 - [6] - Quote I don't think it's churlish to criticise (and offer feedback upon) the aspects of an event which increase the grind, rather than being fun to take a part in for there own sake.
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 332	Posted - 2013.08.06 17:33:00 - [7] - Quote SOMBRA del MUERTE wrote: This event ONLY increases ACTIVE sp. You can't cap afking as the sp won't hit it, whether the cap is doubled or quadrupled. Wrong. It increases the total active SP cap and it slightly increases the SP reward for those who have WPs. If what you said were true, you'd be expected to get 190,400 WP to hit the increased cap. At even at 10,000 WP per ambush that 1,900 games. Let's say 15 minutes per game, that would 28,500 mins or 475 hours or 19 days. In a week. Yeah, when we sense check what you wrote it just doesn't make any sense at all.
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 332	Posted - 2013.08.06 17:34:00 - [8] - Quote So this event and thread made me get around to posting my suggestion (with charts!) for adjusting the active SP reward system: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1147051#post1147051
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 337	Posted - 2013.08.06 18:27:00 - [9] - Quote SOMBRA del MUERTE wrote: I still don't see how this event worries people about afk, since it only affects active sp. That was my point. Maybe folks will get a little more than the usual afk for wp time in battle, but that's not gonna compare to the benefits of active play with the bonus. And whatever warpoints you get, 10000 active sp per battle will get you to 390000 active sp in 39 battles, which is easily doable in a week. I'm not mining for the numbers here, this is just doubling a skirmish round number (a mediocre match without boosters). But whew, you sure did flame me with your trollmath I'm sorry but if you look at my post from earlier (page 2 I think) then you can easily see that your assumptions are wrong. AFK players have to plays for 2x as long. Players who are earning 3000 WP per hour have to play 1.8x as long. at 5000 WP per hour it's 1.6x as long to complete. So yep. as you can see you can AFK very easily to reach the doubled cap.
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 349	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:48:00 - [10] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Actually, this is a thread about the 2x SP week so how about you go post in one of the hundreds of other threads about AFKing if you really have to do it. Oh, and whining is kinda like feedback, except my internal voice narrates it with a high pitched nerdy squeal. (Darth Vader voice) Well genius...the reason this "Double" SP event is gimped down to only double WP, which account for less than half the SP from a round, is so that AFKing won't spike due to people exploiting the doubled 5 WP/sec in battle. They'll still do it. They'll just be around for twice as long. I know this because I'll be doing it.

Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 353	Posted - 2013.08.06 21:35:00 - [11] - Quote SOMBRA del MUERTE wrote: Ok, so I missed the terminology because folks were saying passive sp. What's not being doubled is sp from the passive wp gain in battle, as opposed to from kills/hacks/logi? Currently you are award 5 SP for each second you play and 1 SP for each WP that you earn. The Active SP cap is 190,400 SP. The only things that are changing is that you will get 2 SP (double) for each WP and the active SP cap is doubling to 380,800. This means you will earn a little more SP (about 15% more, in general) and that you can earn twice as much SP through playing.
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 373	Posted - 2013.08.07 08:49:00 - [12] - Quote I'm kinda surprised to see no further CPM or dev comments in this thread.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 397	Posted - 2013.08.08 08:29:00 - [13] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: I'm kinda surprised to see no further CPM or dev comments in this thread. Why would they, with the toxic, self-entitled whining Debbite downers all over the place CCP effectively raises the cap, people complain that they aren't getting enough bonuses to SP gain to hit it before Sunday As I said before, I don't see that it's churlish to point out how this event (sadly) ends up being one which is a grindfest; rather than being fun for it's own sake. CCP and the CPM have specifically spoken about how they don't want future event to be grind-heavy. I feel I've been very measured and reasonable in my posts explaining the reasons why, along with suggesting a possible solution.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 397	Posted - 2013.08.08 10:59:00 - [14] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: I'm kinda surprised to see no further CPM or dev comments in this thread. Why would they, with the toxic, self-entitled whining Debbite downers all over the place CCP effectively raises the cap, people complain that they aren't getting enough bonuses to SP gain to hit it before Sunday As I said before, I don't see that it's churlish to point out how this event (sadly) ends up being one which is a grindfest; rather than being fun for it's own sake. CCP and the CPM have specifically spoken about how they don't want future event to be grind-heavy. I feel I've been very measured and reasonable in my posts explaining the reasons why, along with suggesting a possible solution. Maybe not you, but take a look at the post directly below yours: Death Dealer86 wrote: August sp event = epic fail!! The only way to earn your cap this week is to lay twice as much . People like myself with real jobs don't have time for this. Everyone please give a round of applause to ccp for botching probably the most anticipated event they have. Keep up the good work turds! Tell me again, why would CCP or the CPM want to bother responding when you have people complaining even thought they've lost NOTHING in this event. They'd be responding to me. No need for your strawman argument though: no-one is saying they've lost something. Yes, some people are being abusive (which is totally unnecessary and disproportionate) but that's an issue for moderation not a reason for zero response. There are legitimate points being made calmly in this thread. I maintain that I'm a little surprised that those posts haven't been responded to. Only a little though. I do genuinely expect that the CPM are discussing these points with the CCP community even team privately.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 432	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:05:00 - [15] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Now the event is over I can confirm I wasn't getting double WP or Active Booster. Now I'm grinding the "normal" cap I'm getting pretty much the exact same amount of SP as I normally do irrespective of the event. While I appreciate the event and extra SP, I, like others, have found the event to be a massive grind fest (more than normal!). I run 3 characters and by the time I finished all 3 I was nearly burnt out and even contemplating not playing for a while. I guess this isn't the kind of reaction CCP would hope for. The previous event (Tripple SP), the WP and Active Booster was correct, I was getting between 25K and 35K per match, meaning the grind wasn't as taxing. This event was the complete opposite. Please CCP, can you c/d that WP and Active Booster was borked during this event? It was working as designed - it's just the design ended up meaning all players would have to grind for more hours in order to hit the doubled SP cap.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 432	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:02:00 - [16] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: It was working as designed - it's just the design ended up meaning all players would have to grind for more hours in order to hit the doubled SP cap. CCP Frame wrote: Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points. ?? Your SP reward is calculated by 5 SP for each second that you play + 1 SP for each WP that you earn. The event changed that to 5 SP for each second that you play + 2 SP for each WP that you earn. Clearly when most of your SP come from the time spent in the battle and not from the WP that you earn, you'll find that your SP reward does not double in size. This is the way that they designed it, though many of us pointed out that the consequence was an increase in grind required to hit the SP cap for all players.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 434	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:28:00 - [17] - Quote The blue post that you are looking for is the OP.