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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:12:00 -
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Troy Wiegert wrote:I think everyone should be happy that they can earn 2X SP for the week. I know it may cause battles to be played different because of AFK or people just going for hacks and turrets. It's only for 1 week and if you don't like how the battle is going then run a cheap suit and do what you can to survive.
From my understanding we will only earn x2 SP from War Points, which means that if you get 800 WP in a match you'll get 1600 SP from that instead of 800, on top of the 5 WP/sec you earn from just being in the battle. So it's far from a true Double SP event. |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:15:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:zzZaXxx wrote: Someone on my team who is AFKing in the MCC is directly costing me ISK and fun, because it makes my team less competitive and me more likely to die. If they're on the other team it helps my ISK but equally gimps my fun, which is the more important of the two. So I'm thinking about #1 here. If CCP does nothing about this then they are neglecting all of us who are inconvenienced by this bummery.
I would agree with you but what you stated is based on an assumption that blueberries can be helpful. Which is not my experience. Especially not the scrub blueberries who AFK on the reg. And also, CCP has a history of appeasing whiners so I am sure AFKing will be over soon enough. Then all the whiners can come up with something else that someone is doing that they don't like... They at least provide a target that is not me. Does "whining" translate to "feedback" in troll? So AFKers are gimping your fun and you feel neglected by CCP and this is just feedback, not whining? My mistake... Yes, I'm pointing out a glaring problem and why it matters and brainstorming solutions. Enlighten us as to the difference between whining and feedback if you would.
Actually, this is a thread about the 2x SP week so how about you go post in one of the hundreds of other threads about AFKing if you really have to do it. Oh, and whining is kinda like feedback, except my internal voice narrates it with a high pitched nerdy voice. |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:29:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Actually, this is a thread about the 2x SP week so how about you go post in one of the hundreds of other threads about AFKing if you really have to do it. Oh, and whining is kinda like feedback, except my internal voice narrates it with a high pitched nerdy squeal.
(Darth Vader voice) Well genius...the reason this "Double" SP event is gimped down to only double WP, which account for less than half the SP from a round, is so that AFKing won't spike due to people exploiting the doubled 5 WP/sec in battle. |
Shepherd Grey
Capital Acquisitions LLC
2
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:48:00 -
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Just when I start to be on good terms with the lady, you guys give me another reason to hermit c: Doctor, give me another 100 CC's of Dust 514! STAT! See you all on the field, Scottrade aka Shepherd Grey |
Absolute Idiom II
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:48:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:Actually, this is a thread about the 2x SP week so how about you go post in one of the hundreds of other threads about AFKing if you really have to do it. Oh, and whining is kinda like feedback, except my internal voice narrates it with a high pitched nerdy squeal. (Darth Vader voice) Well genius...the reason this "Double" SP event is gimped down to only double WP, which account for less than half the SP from a round, is so that AFKing won't spike due to people exploiting the doubled 5 WP/sec in battle.
They'll still do it. They'll just be around for twice as long.
I know this because I'll be doing it. |
N311V
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.06 21:07:00 -
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Absolute Idiom II wrote:And to demonstrate in graph form the number of hours it will take to hit cap, you can clearly see that the 2x WP doesn't really reduce the grind very much from the 2x it is for merely AFKing. Graph: http://i.imgur.com/SzTbIb6.png?1Something much more substantial would be required.
Thanks for the graphs.
My consern is now undeniable. As a player that rarely has enough game time to hit cap this event will not benefit me at all.
I'm sad to say that for the first time I'm actually considering AFKing in the background until it's time to play. I hope it doesn't start a bad habit.
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SOMBRA del MUERTE
The Exemplars Top Men.
8
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Posted - 2013.08.06 21:25:00 -
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Ok, so I missed the terminology because folks were saying passive sp. What's not being doubled is sp from the passive wp gain in battle, as opposed to from kills/hacks/logi? |
Absolute Idiom II
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.06 21:35:00 -
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SOMBRA del MUERTE wrote:Ok, so I missed the terminology because folks were saying passive sp. What's not being doubled is sp from the passive wp gain in battle, as opposed to from kills/hacks/logi?
Currently you are award 5 SP for each second you play and 1 SP for each WP that you earn. The Active SP cap is 190,400 SP. The only things that are changing is that you will get 2 SP (double) for each WP and the active SP cap is doubling to 380,800.
This means you will earn a little more SP (about 15% more, in general) and that you can earn twice as much SP through playing. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
576
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Posted - 2013.08.06 22:40:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Agreed. I don't see how this can help deter AFKing. If anything, you should AFK and cap tomorrow so you can play with doubled Active SP all week. Not saying I would do that......
BRILLIANT!
Since even after the cap you still get double wp, you wouldn't be losing out on anything if you only played after you hit the cap.
So this means that instead of getting only 1,000 wp per match after the cap, that would now be 2,000...and with a booster, 3000! |
Crashy Mc Boom-bewm
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.08.06 22:52:00 -
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Better stock up on some heavy suits, cause I'm gonna reach that skill cap :D Thank you ccp |
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The Terminator T-1000
The Praetorian Legionary
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 23:43:00 -
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One possible solution to reduce AFK is to give an incentive to win the match. For example the winning team gets double SP and ISK. The reason people AFK is because win or loose, they get the same SP and ISK . |
fanboy1052
Nox Aeterna Security
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 23:46:00 -
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Thank you CCP I missed the other skill point event due going on Vacation with family. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
694
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Posted - 2013.08.07 01:25:00 -
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If your going to remove passive in the double then increase the active, the grind already feels like a bit too much and this is just going to increase that. Hurting all players to just punish the minority of AFKers is the wrong way to do this, it just sends the wrong message. |
Troy Wiegert
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.08.07 01:55:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Troy Wiegert wrote:I think everyone should be happy that they can earn 2X SP for the week. I know it may cause battles to be played different because of AFK or people just going for hacks and turrets. It's only for 1 week and if you don't like how the battle is going then run a cheap suit and do what you can to survive. From my understanding we will only earn x2 SP from War Points, which means that if you get 800 WP in a match you'll get 1600 SP from that instead of 800, on top of the 5 WP/sec you earn from just being in the battle. So it's far from a true Double SP event.
I do agree it is not a true 2X SP, but I would rather have something than nothing. I'm a novice in the game, and I appreciate that I have the chance to improve my skills a little quicker. It is tough when you first start this game out of the beginners academy. I have a great Corp that helps me and we work together. They point me in the right direction to improve my skills where needed. Thanks Swamp Marines!!! |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.07 02:12:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:So this means that instead of getting only 1,000 wp per match after the cap, that would now be 2,000...and with a booster, 3000!
Not quite. You're still capped at 1000SP (1500 with booster).
It just means you need only 500WP per game to reach that cap. |
dreth longbow
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.07 03:05:00 -
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Well I have been playing for some time now and have never heard it laid out like this, if this is true then that explains why as a sniper I get screwed on active sp since we never do battle we shoot and wait and only get credit for the kill. Thanks for enlightening me on how much more snipers are screwed in this game. [/quote]
Wow...so this double SP event is not much of an event. Oh and HTFU sniper boy. You benefit by never putting yourself in harms way.[/quote]
Let me expand for you: I support my team and am constantly moving to get a better shot to help my team out where the action is, consequently for me to do my job I am in harms way and get killed by AR's that can shoot way too far, not to mention LAVS, Tanks and other snipers and those sneaky pesky nova knifes, but no extra sp for me since the program does not acknowledge me "in the battle".
Now I am sure their are other snipers out their that set up on some hill out of harms way and snipe at players, but that is not me. I am the guy you call when you need overwatch and anti-sniping since I will die for the cause and will reveal my position so that my team can take an objective. If I can tie up 2-4 players and get them to come after me while my team takes an objective and then they can mop up the other players then that is what I do.
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Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
166
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Posted - 2013.08.07 04:52:00 -
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Time to cap:
Normal(195k bonus SP) Assuming a 10 minute battle with 1000 WP earned 5 SP/s +1 SP/WP 3000 SP + 1000 SP = 4000 SP 195k/4k = 48.75 games which works out to a little over 8 hours AFKing = 195k/3k = 65 games which works out to just under 11 hours
This 2x week(390k bonus SP) Assuming a 10 minute battle with 1000 WP earned 5 SP/s(this doesn't change) + 2 SP/WP 3000 SP + 2000 SP = 5000 SP 390k/5k = 78 games which works out to be 13 hours AFKing = 390k/3k = 130 games which works out to be just under 22 hours
Time to cap does not include any time spent in quarters or waiting in the war barge - add an extra hour or two.
While this is strictly speaking a double SP event, you aren't earning double the SP per match(1.25x in the example above and most players won't even hit 1000 WP per game). I haven't AFKd yet but this event is making me seriously consider it. I will probably supplement my play time with AFK time while I do other things.
I want to be able to double the WP I get from an average game of 1000 WP, therefore the WP multiplier should be at 5x. |
Thumb Green
Novashift
257
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Posted - 2013.08.07 06:30:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:
Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.
Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.
A better solution would have been to completely remove passive ISK & SP gain behind the redline from the game and not just limited to this event. Instead of taking a step that would put a complete stop to almost all AFK'ing; you take a step that simultaneously discourages AFK'ing but does nothing substantial about it, while encouraging boosting. |
Shattered Mirage
D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
80
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Posted - 2013.08.07 08:21:00 -
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It'll probably only take a day or two to cap... if that
Wonder if CCP will ever raise it to 1,000,000 SP weekly at the very least? |
Absolute Idiom II
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.07 08:49:00 -
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I'm kinda surprised to see no further CPM or dev comments in this thread. |
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
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Posted - 2013.08.07 09:43:00 -
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Vethosis wrote:i love you i hate you |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.08.07 12:13:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:CCP Frame wrote:
Passive skill point gain from matches are NOT doubled, this is to discourage AFK farming.
Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points.
A better solution would have been to completely remove passive ISK & SP gain behind the redline from the game and not just limited to this event. Instead of taking a step that would put a complete stop to almost all AFK'ing; you take a step that simultaneously discourages AFK'ing but does nothing substantial about it, while encouraging boosting. +1. I love this idea.
The price we pay for the safety of the redline is no(or reduced) warpoints. And the choice is still ours. This feels like part of the final implementation of warpoint/skillpoints. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
694
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Posted - 2013.08.07 13:01:00 -
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it's going to be closer to 90 skirmish matches which is a bit crazy. I really wish they would ask for feedback on these events before they actually run them. |
Savaekin 2046
Blades of the Darkmoon
11
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Posted - 2013.08.07 15:50:00 -
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Could you do a 4x on warpoint gain the cap is going to take a long time to hit, we still have lives lol |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
645
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:54:00 -
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Sharing an observation: Today I witnessed 12 players afk farming in blue MCC. All there happily together, standing still.
I even took a picture of it but they were so spread around had to take two shots to fit them in. |
Ferindar
The Malevolent Monkey Militia
4
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Posted - 2013.08.07 19:01:00 -
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Been doing some measurements of SP earned both from being active and being afk during this event today.
Each AFK number is taken from a domination where I joined from start to finish
4035 4563 6200 (Both sides delayed capturing the objective until both MCCs were down to 50% armor. 4302
These numbers below were taken with active participation (I am a sniper, not a plinker.)
4021 (600wp) 5233 (1500wp) [Our team pubstomped the other bad.] 3556 (200 wp) [On the receiving end of a pubstomp] 4243 (500wp)
So far, this event only encourages more pubstomping, and afking gives just the same benefits without the stress of being on the receiving end of a pubstomp.
There's been good suggestions and graphs on how to run this better to encourage more active players, but this event right now only benefits the people in all proto gear picking on the less fortunate.
While I'm veering off topic a bit, why don't we have Hi-Sec and Low-Sec, where Low-Sec doesn't allow anything prototype in? Considering how fast you get out of academy now, it's pretty disheartening to the new player to be continually f****d by the guy who's got 15m sp. |
Meconium Blue
Arcadiedge Shadow Legion
16
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Posted - 2013.08.07 19:14:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:SponkSponkSponk wrote:I assume this change is to test adjusting the ratio between SP gains via war points and SP gains via staying alive in the MCC?
If so, I can tell you that the majority of non-hardcore players will struggle to hit their cap that week.
I think if changes like this are going to be permanent, then being able to roll over the active SP cap between weeks is required. This would be awesome. They must eradicate AFKing. More SP from WP, less passive, enable rollover. Maybe make the passive kick in after earning a minimum amount of WP, like 200, or after dieing 4 times or so. Also they just need to make the progression faster in this game. Even with boosters the grind takes waaaaay too long to just specialize in one thing. Never mind speccing into new stuff. Why not something simpler which doesn't spit new players in the face who can't get 200 WP. I guess the simplest possible method to fix AFKing would be: 1SP for each second in match and 5SP for every warpoint earned. Just switching the numbers. Oh please please do this ccp. I would love to earn 7k+ per match even after cap is reached |
dreth longbow
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.08.07 19:45:00 -
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Ferindar wrote:Been doing some measurements of SP earned both from being active and being afk during this event today.
Each AFK number is taken from a domination where I joined from start to finish
4035 4563 6200 (Both sides delayed capturing the objective until both MCCs were down to 50% armor. 4302
These numbers below were taken with active participation (I am a sniper, not a plinker.)
4021 (600wp) 5233 (1500wp) [Our team pubstomped the other bad.] 3556 (200 wp) [On the receiving end of a pubstomp] 4243 (500wp)
So far, this event only encourages more pubstomping, and afking gives just the same benefits without the stress of being on the receiving end of a pubstomp.
There's been good suggestions and graphs on how to run this better to encourage more active players, but this event right now only benefits the people in all proto gear picking on the less fortunate.
While I'm veering off topic a bit, why don't we have Hi-Sec and Low-Sec, where Low-Sec doesn't allow anything prototype in? Considering how fast you get out of academy now, it's pretty disheartening to the new player to be continually f****d by the guy who's got 15m sp.
I play a sniper too most of the time and I see these kind of numbers all the time, it is frustrating. Snipers get the same amount or less sp for playing as they do for afk. I like to play sniper but it is frustrating to get 19 kills and earn less points than if I just afk which I rarely do. ccp needs to give the snipers some love.
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Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
168
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Posted - 2013.08.07 20:23:00 -
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You do get more SP than AFKing, it's just minimal. |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
63
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Posted - 2013.08.07 20:33:00 -
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So we only get an xp bonus from our WP xp?
If I get 1k WP, I get 1k extra xp.
I get about 4 xp just for showing up.
So now I would get 1k wp plus 1k xp bonus.
That totals 6k xp.
Is that right? If so, that's only a 20% bonus on top of what I would have originally received. That's not double. Double would have been 10k xp.
Whether or not those numbers are accurate, if CCP was actually worried about AFKers, they wouldn't simply hurt the xp for all of us. Why don't you, CCP, put an end to AFKing all together so that those that play can receive a true double xp per match and not just a double xp cap. Vehicles can't AFK (so to speak) Destroy our suits like you destroy our vehicles when they sit unmanned too long. |
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