It's actually funny reading through that thread. Just look at the OP for example. "WP for mCRU" use", where is that?

It's actually funny reading through that thread. Just look at the OP for example. "WP for mCRU" use", where is that?

I sorta am beginning to like the drawback of the reload, cept with the swarm launcher where it locks the player from not being able to run.

One of the many reasons I love the scrambler rifle, hardly ever need to reload that.

I've sort of grown accustom to the risk-reward that this implemented. Do I want to reload now so I can be better prepared if I run into someone, risking that someone may catch up behind me? Or do I want run now to make sure I get away, risking that I may run into an enemy and have no ammo in my clip?

That said, I would still embrace running while reloading if they ever got around to it.

I sorta am beginning to like the drawback of the reload, cept with the swarm launcher where it locks the player from not being able to run.

CCP already promised this feature

The following topics were discussed by the dev team this week regarding gameplay issues in the beta

What do you mean? I have never noticed anything like this. Can't you move while reloading?

Well you guys bitched none stop about other things that needed to be fixed so ccp redrew their road map. Sorry to stay but things like the above not getting done are down to the communty asking for other stuff to be higher priority.

Well you guys bitched none stop about other things that needed to be fixed so ccp redrew their road map. Sorry to stay but things like the above not getting done are down to the communty asking for other stuff to be higher priority.

I sorta am beginning to like the drawback of the reload, cept with the swarm launcher where it locks the player from not being able to run.

Personally I don't think they should add the ability. I think the choice of whether to run away/towards an enemy or reload to shoot is an important one. But I'd still be fine with it if it was added.

I am quite tempted to agree with you on that.

The feature: reloading while running.
This is not PVE, or weapon customization, or some other big feature that would take a lot of time to implement, this is fairly simple and there is no reason it shouldn't be done by now.

I am quite tempted to agree with you on that.

I am quite tempted to agree with you on that.

I am quite tempted to agree with you on that.

I am quite tempted to agree with you on that.

My personal stand point on it is this.

Reloading while Sprinting is a good thing, but for one particular reason.

We're limited on Stamina. Planetside 2 utilizes reloading while sprinting but the player can sprint/jump forever without any cause for concern. In the event that the reason of my team is moving, I wouldn't mind being able to reload so that I'm not lagging behind the rest of my guys and can be as efficient as I possibly can be without having to take cover, reload and then race to meet with the rest of my crew who may very well already be dead.

Reloading while Sprinting is a bad thing as well, for a completely different reason...

It pretty much completely negates any reason to go into the Rapid Reload skill for a weapon as now you can sprint to cover while reloading and turn around ready for combat. This, as opposed to investing hundreds of thousands of skill points to be able to reload the weapon in a jiffy while your opponent fumbles with his magazine because you made the conscious choice to invest in a skill that is entirely beneficial in the heat of combat.

I am quite tempted to agree with you on that.

I dont think being able to reload while running negates this choice. You have the same opportunity to be killed rounding a corner while reloading (especially if its slower while running).

Its one of those things that tugs at your logic while playing. You know you can reload an AR or pistol or even a SG while reloading IRL. Maybe only certain classes of weapons can be reloaded while running because its impractical to reload a missile launcher or heavy machine gun while running. It could evolve into an interesting class game dynamic.

he has got good points. also i like to add that another disadvantage would be possible balance problems. i dread the idea of sprinters reload with shotguns and mass drivers. And reload a Shotgun and Sprinting at the sametime is nearly impossible to do without drop the damn shell. (personal experience) But these are future immortal soldiers so perhaps they got that **** down through trial and error but still it worries me because the choice of shoot, flee and cover is important in combat. Maybe weapon restrictions to sprint reloads and drains your stamina faster making you feel more use for the cardiac regulator.

The Sprint Reload is not a bad idea but i do feel it needs some sort of penalty for using it like faster stamina draining or something. Mostly Spitballing ideas here

There was a big and heated argument on the forums about this a few months ago and my main point was that sprinting is sacrificing everything to run as fast as you possibly can. Ask Usain Bolt to reload a gun whilst running and you think he'll still hit sub 10 second 100m!?

However, allowing a reduced sprint but faster than walking while reading would be acceptable.

This hasn't been forgotten. It is on the current backlog of 'things to do', however we've not actually made a final decision on whether or not we want to do it yet. I'm happy to listen to arguments for and against here :-)

This hasn't been forgotten. It is on the current backlog of 'things to do', however we've not actually made a final decision on whether or not we want to do it yet. I'm happy to listen to arguments for and against here :-)

Well a few things I don't want to see make it into the game.

1. Quick Scoping
2. Reload cancelling for a massive advantage.

However the reload while running is not entirely as bad as the two above, however I would rather see reload 'bookmarks' as in you already removed the magazine before you cancelled why remove it a second time when you resume?

Three bookmarks, 1 removal of previous mag (if required) 2 Loading of new rounds 3 Priming gun for action again (if required) this would open up some guns to have more advantage over others ie hybrid guns don't need priming.

I mean how many of you have reloaded while running, as ex military myself they NEVER taught us to do that.

Well a few things I don't want to see make it into the game.

1. Quick Scoping
2. Reload cancelling for a massive advantage.

However the reload while running is not entirely as bad as the two above, however I would rather see reload 'bookmarks' as in you already removed the magazine before you cancelled why remove it a second time when you resume?

Three bookmarks, 1 removal of previous mag (if required) 2 Loading of new rounds 3 Priming gun for action again (if required) this would open up some guns to have more advantage over others ie hybrid guns don't need priming.

I mean how many of you have reloaded while running, as ex military myself they NEVER taught us to do that.

[ Please don't be stupid.

The feature: reloading while running.

Running while reloading is NOT impossible, especially with the muscle memory of an experience of a soldier, or an immortal mercenary with countless lives worth of experience and augmentations. It would be noticeably slower to do while running, but it is possible.

^ Yeah lets put another P2 Wi...................opps, I mean another pay 2 get ahead item in for Aur with a fake ISK equivalent that will allow you to reload while running.

I am quite tempted to agree with you on that.

This hasn't been forgotten. It is on the current backlog of 'things to do', however we've not actually made a final decision on whether or not we want to do it yet. I'm happy to listen to arguments for and against here :-)

I also agree. I don't think you should be able to reload while running.

I think people need to know the difference between running and sprinting. To anyone who says it's possible to reload a gun while sprinting I want to see a video of you reloading a gun at a full sprint. That means you covering 100 meters in approximately 10 seconds while reloading a gun. Hell sign your signature on paper at that speed. I'd bet none of you can do either.
When you're moving with the joystick fully depressed, that's running. Doing some things is fully possible at this speed.
When you push to sprint, that's you making your body move as fast as humanly possible. You are pumping your arms to create momentum by using your secondary muscles to pump your legs. As soon as you start using your secondary muscles for something else, your top speeds are no longer possible. That should handle the "realism" aspect.

For anyone saying you "need" to be able to reload while sprinting for tactical reasons how about we just make reloading unnecessary? I mean that would be the next argument right? It's a tactical disadvantage to not have all your bullets in your gun all the time, right? How about having to overcome tactical disadvantages and think rather than have everything spoon fed to you?

Take your logic elsewhere bud!

lol, kidding. This post 1,000,000 times.

Don't press down and sprint, you can reload.. who the hell can run top speed and reload.. nobody. it is impossible to achieve top speed and do anything else with your arms as you have stated.

The feature: reloading while running.

Running while reloading is NOT impossible, especially with the muscle memory of an experience of a soldier, or an immortal mercenary with countless lives worth of experience and augmentations. It would be noticeably slower to do while running, but it is possible.

CCP already promised this feature, its been 10 months since they promised, yet they have yet to keep their promise.

This is not PVE, or weapon customization, or some other big feature that would take a lot of time to implement, this is fairly simple and there is no reason it shouldn't be done by now. They have no even mentioned this feature since 10 months ago. If they changed their minds, then they should have said so. Them just giving up on a simple promised feature like that makes it hard to trust them on the big promised features.

CCP if you're reading, rescind the statement about reloading while running, or get to work on implementing the feature. I suggest you remove all promised features in the feedback/requests weekly updates thread that you've changed your mind on to prevent confusion.

EDIT: Running while reloading would lead to more fluid gameplay, and a tradeoff would still be involved when running if it makes reloading slower.

You assault guys already have it good enough.

I think having to choose between running and reloading is a good thing for this game, its a decision that needs to be made based on the situation one is in and adds a bit of depth to an individuals tactics mid firefight.

If you're reloading while sprinting there should be some sort of modifier. Such as the reload cycle taking longer or sprint speed decreased.

Also the interval based reloading is a good idea. =)

I strongly agree, choosing to move or shoot is part of combat. \But maybe sidearms could be acceptable but not primary weapons, if we see scouts running mass drivers and shotguns escaping with a hit and run tactic it will totally rip apart the flow of combat in close quarters. BUT if we do implement this it should come at the cost of stamina so people can't abuse sprinting reloading hit and runs. or something like that. what do you guys think?

I dont think being able to reload while running negates this choice. You have the same opportunity to be killed rounding a corner while reloading (especially if its slower while running).

Its one of those things that tugs at your logic while playing. You know you can reload an AR or pistol or even a SG while reloading IRL. Maybe only certain classes of weapons can be reloaded while running because its impractical to reload a missile launcher or heavy machine gun while running. It could evolve into an interesting class game dynamic.

Personally i think it would change "how to game is played" quite a much and so on need to be carefully planned to add or not.
And main reason is that then you don't need to think reloading from tactical point of view. Also moving game towards solo playing from teamplay ( even not much, but every little bit count).


What i think would be nice is that "partial reload". Where example you can throw old clip away then run and then add new one. it's like 50% done on reloading -> sprint -> last 50%done on reloading.

This is also nice because it give you again tactical point of view, when you are about to begin reload partially empty clip. When you throw it a way and your reload is interrupted you don't have anymore those ammunitions from partial clip because it's thrown a way. (edit: of course those are not away from your overall ammunition count, but those just are not loaded in your gun when there is no magazine loaded)

I am amazed, and saddened, by the overwhelming support for no sprint reloading. You guys actually call yourselves FPS players?

I still remember the first FPS game that allowed me to sprint and reload, Killzone 2, and I was blown away at how fluid and better the gameplay felt because of it. When I got KZ2 I came from playing mostly COD4, which did not allow for sprint reloading. Sprint reloading to me, felt like a high quality premium feature that few FPS games actually have, it was a breath of fresh air and felt liberating. It was different, unique, and made the gameplay and gunplay much more intense and satisfying. Hard to describe what I actually felt, but it was surprising to me, and I liked it... A LOT.

The ones who don't want it implemented either:

A) Have never played a competitive online FPS game with sprint reloading capability.
B) Are afraid it will make Dust more competitive and difficult when facing higher-caliber players.

Oh and LOL at people trying to relate real-life to video game realism Wow, really?

Put me down as in agreement as well. It seemed like an interesting design choice, one I have adapted to, and it is one of the few areas where Dust is different from other FPS games.

Stick to your guns on this one CCP.

Well a few things I don't want to see make it into the game.

1. Quick Scoping
2. Reload cancelling for a massive advantage.

However the reload while running is not entirely as bad as the two above, however I would rather see reload 'bookmarks' as in you already removed the magazine before you cancelled why remove it a second time when you resume?

Three bookmarks, 1 removal of previous mag (if required) 2 Loading of new rounds 3 Priming gun for action again (if required) this would open up some guns to have more advantage over others ie hybrid guns don't need priming.

I mean how many of you have reloaded while running, as ex military myself they NEVER taught us to do that.

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But current ingame example of how things work would be attempting to reload an hmg with 120 rounds still left in the magazine and a guy pops out of a corner you can cancel your reload and finish him off with the 120 bullets left in your magazine.
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I am amazed, and saddened, by the overwhelming support for no sprint reloading. You guys actually call yourselves FPS players?

I still remember the first FPS game that allowed me to sprint and reload, Killzone 2, and I was blown away at how fluid and better the gameplay felt because of it. When I got KZ2 I came from playing mostly COD4, which did not allow for sprint reloading. Sprint reloading to me, felt like a high quality premium feature that few FPS games actually have, it was a breath of fresh air and felt liberating. It was different, unique, and made the gameplay and gunplay much more intense and satisfying. Hard to describe what I actually felt, but it was surprising to me, and I liked it... A LOT.

The ones who don't want it implemented either:

A) Have never played a competitive online FPS game with sprint reloading capability.
B) Are afraid it will make Dust more competitive and difficult when facing higher-caliber players.

Oh and LOL at people trying to relate real-life to video game realism Wow, really?

New Eden is far more seated in Science Fiction than Science Fantasy. Thus ergo any chance to take a fun poke at realism should be taken.

I also have to agree with the above poster side arms provides probably the only really easy means of reloading a gun because all of them have much smaller and easier to handle magazines, all larger guns you are very much more prone to dropping them.

There was one game I don't remember which that actually penalized you for reloading early because it remembers how much bullets you have in each magazine and there are times you had to sit down and actually 'combine' magazines. Also the number of maps determined how many bullets you have but also slowed you down a bit. At least in Dust 514 we shouldn't have to resort to that because of our internal magazine reloaders.

This hasn't been forgotten. It is on the current backlog of 'things to do', however we've not actually made a final decision on whether or not we want to do it yet. I'm happy to listen to arguments for and against here :-)

In a science fiction futuristic universe with highly advanced and highly coordinated super-soldiers, why shouldn't they have the ability to sprint-reload?

This seems more like a modern-day limitation, rather than a futuristic one.

Running and reloading would be nice, especially for scouts, they need every advantage they can get.

First off our guns are upsized and are much heavier than your average 5-14 lbs weapon, hell the HMG is clocking in probably at a 250 lbs + ammo weight.

Mass + Motion = more energy, thus swinging a heavier gun around gets unwieldy and is probably just as portionate to the current limitations as to why we don't fire guns while running either.

Well a few things I don't want to see make it into the game.

1. Quick Scoping
2. Reload cancelling for a massive advantage.

However the reload while running is not entirely as bad as the two above, however I would rather see reload 'bookmarks' as in you already removed the magazine before you cancelled why remove it a second time when you resume?

Three bookmarks, 1 removal of previous mag (if required) 2 Loading of new rounds 3 Priming gun for action again (if required) this would open up some guns to have more advantage over others ie hybrid guns don't need priming.

I mean how many of you have reloaded while running, as ex military myself they NEVER taught us to do that.

This hasn't been forgotten. It is on the current backlog of 'things to do', however we've not actually made a final decision on whether or not we want to do it yet. I'm happy to listen to arguments for and against here :-)

You could always consider making it possible but at a greatly reduced run speed. Then adding a skill which would restore some of the base sprint speed while reloading, maybe at a rate of +5% per level for a total 25% reduction in speed penalty at level 5.

Just a thought,
Cross

The reduction should made a role bonus for some suit though, scouts come to mind. I'm not looking forward to yet another core skill.

This hasn't been forgotten. It is on the current backlog of 'things to do', however we've not actually made a final decision on whether or not we want to do it yet. I'm happy to listen to arguments for and against here :-)

Afaik, not many games allow both sprint and reloading. And imo, it shouldnt be added. Make your choice, run or gun.

Afaik, not many games allow both sprint and reloading. And imo, it shouldnt be added. Make your choice, run or gun.

I am quite tempted to agree with you on that.

Speaking of realism. Do you realise that the whole concept of "clips" as it exists in modern shooters is complete bonkers anyway? We are not using clips, we are arbitrarily refilling our weapon with some arbitrary stock of extra bullets, that is animated as a clip replacement because that happens to look cool... If it was really a clip replacement, we would lose the remainder of bullets we still have in the current clip, and our extra ammunition would be displayed as number of clips rather than bullets.

I used to play tactical shooters which used actual clips, and that really added a level of strategic consideration. Do I risk getting into a firefight with these 12 bullets, or do I put in a new clip and waste them? Often we used our remaining bullets for suppressing fire or sprayed them into a chokepoint, before putting in a fresh clip.

Also, it is very hard to believe that our hightech clone mercs would not have come up with a more efficient way of feeding ammunition to their weapons than manually replacing the clip.

Let's face it, the only reason why we have reload in the game as it is, is because it's cool and a fun gameplay element that every modern shooter agrees on. And that's why gameplay should be the only consideration in this discussion. Once you bring in reality, you're lost.

If you think it's so easy, try to change a magazine in an AK while running at full sprint while wearing a suit of armor. I bet it's pretty ******* hard.

I don't see how this feature would add anything meaningful to the game, and in fact I have a strong suspicion it would be very bad and **** a lot of people off. You could make the argument that it could be good for scouts only seeing as their speed is their only defensive mechanism, but I still think it would be a detriment to the game.

Scouts speed isn't a defence. Greater hit box while running. And it's only a little faster than a assault suit. Not much