good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

good job CCP, logis can carry everything

I have a corp battle tonight. I wonder if i'll see any logis in there

... and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem.

Lose high / low slots and their HP needs to be somewhere between Light and Medium frame

They need to be forced to play more tactical

good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

Lose high / low slots and their HP needs to be somewhere between Light and Medium frame

They need to be forced to play more tactical

Lose high / low slots and their HP needs to be somewhere between Light and Medium frame

They need to be forced to play more tactical

I could ... always? carry nanos, uplinks, and REs... right?


You're full of ****. Should have stopped while you were ahead. Regularly run a CPU mod with core IV and electronics V.

Hell no. You force me to lose those slots and reduce my shields and armor even more, I'll be damned if I'm going to carry super-expensive equipment to support your butt on the battefield.

You need to direct your anger at the folks who are using logistics suits as souped-up assault suits, not at the folks GÇö like me GÇö who are playing the logistics role as it's meant to be played.

good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

Hell no. You force me to lose those slots and reduce my shields and armor even more, I'll be damned if I'm going to carry super-expensive equipment to support your butt on the battefield.

You need to direct your anger at the folks who are using logistics suits as souped-up assault suits, not at the folks GÇö like me GÇö who are playing the logistics role as it's meant to be played.

Logi gets in gun duel with assault...both run out of ammo....logi reloads, assault switches weapon...logi dies.

I can see the high and low slots being reduced on a logi so they are equal to assault...but that is pretty minor and only effects high end gear...which people mostly don't wear unless they are in a PC.

Your complaints are a minor problem at best.

good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

Logi gets in gun duel with assault...both run out of ammo....logi reloads, assault switches weapon...logi dies.

I can see the high and low slots being reduced on a logi so they are equal to assault...but that is pretty minor and only effects high end gear...which people mostly don't wear unless they are in a PC.

Your complaints are a minor problem at best.

I still think we should treat logis like a medic.

Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform.

I still think we should treat logis like a medic.

Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform.

Logis are *supposed* to be able to carry a lot of equipment. That's what makes true logistics troopers just that, true logistics troopers.

On a side note, logos that are loaded like that also have extremely expensive load outs. You kill a logi once or twice with that sort of load out, and you've essentially cost him/her any profit s/he would have made from the match. Heck, you might even force them into the red. In that case, the smart logi switches to cheaper loadouts.

But God mode? Bah. Whatever. Logi builds are pretty unique, even more so now with the racial variants.

Wait, couldn't we equip that stuff before 1.2?

Lose high / low slots and their HP needs to be somewhere between Light and Medium frame

They need to be forced to play more tactical

Logis need to be able to tank or they are useless. The problem is the damage they deal. Logistics as a class are not slayorz...but they are

Seems like I hit that nerve out of the park.

Logis arent supposed to be frontline warriors and how else are we going to stop them from being that unless we slash some slots or lower their HP to feel less godly so they have to traverse the landscape more carefully.

Assaults and Heavys are supposed to do head on battle, not scouts and logis!!!

There is no imbalance with logis cuz ANYONE can spec into them

now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives

good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

Logis need to be able to tank or they are useless. The problem is the damage they deal. Logistics as a class are not slayorz...but they are

I still think we should treat logis like a medic.

Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform.

good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

I still think we should treat logis like a medic.

Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform.

Even with electronics and engineering maxed out logis still cannot fit proto everything without using cpu & pg upgrades. Jump in a logi suit and see how it feels to only have one side arm before you start complaining about them.

Hmm. I'm not necessarily against this ... but, if this is ever enacted, I want the SP I sank into my weapons skills back, and I want the limit removed from repair points. After all, if a logistics trooper's ability to defend him/herself is hamstrung, then there needs to be another way to make up for that loss.

That said, I don't think CCP will ever do this. After all, from what I understand about EVE, logistics ships there are more than capable of defending themselves. So why would CCP hamstring its logistics players in Dust 514?

Seems like I hit that nerve out of the park.

Logis arent supposed to be frontline warriors and how else are we going to stop them from being that unless we slash some slots or lower their HP to feel less godly so they have to traverse the landscape more carefully.

Assaults and Heavys are supposed to do head on battle, not scouts and logis!!!

Exactly like I said in another thread basically. Logis should ONLY hold, as a weapon, a side arm. No light weapon. The main weapon slot should be a repair apparatus. Side arm of whatever is available on the market, grenades, and 2 equipment slots. Keep the highs and lows for tanking as they need it. A GOOD logi can kill with their sidearm just as easily as I can in an assault suit. Logi problem solved except for the tears of the Logisault users....

Where are the dead bodies? on the front line. where are the wounded needing to be healed? on the front line. where are the hevies needing that line of rev? on the front line. also where the hell do think scouts with nova knives and shot guns need to be if not the front line?

Proto logis probably need to have their modifier slots to be the same as proto assaults...but that is it. Logis are front line they just give up a weapons slot to carry more equipment. Your idea to make logis a worthless class is idiotic.

I still think we should treat logis like a medic.

Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform.

I still think we should treat logis like a medic.

Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform.

Dont know if that it to me or the op - but I am arguing on the principle and how it seems Logis have been given a place above others. It really seems as is Dust should be called Logi AR 514 but whatever.

I agree about murder taxis but CCP should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time .... right?

Both topics have enough threads anyways so I guess lets just go play.

Hmm. I'm not necessarily against this ... but, if this is ever enacted, I want the SP I sank into my weapons skills back, and I want the limit removed from repair points. After all, if a logistics trooper's ability to defend him/herself is hamstrung, then there needs to be another way to make up for that loss.

That said, I don't think CCP will ever do this. After all, from what I understand about EVE, logistics ships there are more than capable of defending themselves. So why would CCP hamstring its logistics players in Dust 514?

The Minmitar Logi had a base 125 shield and 150 armor in Chromosome. They have a base 90 shield and 150 armor in Uprising. How is that OP, and more capable of tanking than a heavy? They have the exact same H/L and Equipment slots as they did in Chromosome, and yet only now I'm hearing about how OP they are... I don't get it. If you die to a true Logi you are bad and you should feel bad.

good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

Lose high / low slots and their HP needs to be somewhere between Light and Medium frame

They need to be forced to play more tactical

Killian are you saying they should direct anger at me. Yeah im an Amarr proto logi and I run as an assault supply and maybe touch of healing when Im not in a gun battle. I also can switch to my sidearm because my suit gets one and murder your assault suits. I have some PG and CPU issues and my suit cost 182,000 isk so if I lose it then it sux. My armor repair was already over 12 before these new plates came out. You assault guys can hate all day long while you sit in the redzone scared to come out but before you cry yourselves to sleep about logis understand one thing. You could have chosen a logi bro. So maybe you should make better decisions before you spend your points. Took me almost a whole day after my respect. Also my logi says its a frontline support role that is meant to be a combat logi suit. Read the suits next time before you put points into it. See you boys in your redzone.

The Minmitar Logi had a base 125 shield and 150 armor in Chromosome. They have a base 90 shield and 150 armor in Uprising. How is that OP, and more capable of tanking than a heavy? They have the exact same H/L and Equipment slots as they did in Chromosome, and yet only now I'm hearing about how OP they are... I don't get it. If you die to a true Logi you are bad and you should feel bad.

good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

Oh really? I guess ill be apologizing as well, Considering I'm a true Logi and in the top 750 in the world for Kills. No that is not something to brag about...but still if you say a true logi shouldnt be killing people then its pretty damn good. :)

Oh really? I guess ill be apologizing as well, Considering I'm a true Logi and in the top 750 in the world for Kills. No that is not something to brag about...but still if you say a true logi shouldnt be killing people then its pretty damn good. :)

Why can't there be a Heavy Logi Suit.
Use it for Demoltion - Blowing apart Buildings, making holes where there normally would not be one

Able to hold massive cargo for those objectives where you need to move component A to location B with out it getting destroyed!

Wait, couldn't we equip that stuff before 1.2?

Being restricted to a sidearm isn't having your ability to defend yourself hamstrung.

Now to get to the real point- they just need less slots, more default eHP. They're supposed to carry lots of equipment and be able to take a beating. They just aren't supposed to be (non equpment-related) damage dealers

Give assaults a damage bonus, lower logis base stats even more, increase the PG/CPU of all the other classes, maybe remove a slot from some of the suits?

No, it's always "take away their light weapons", I wish I could stab you all

WTF no. If people just learned that their side-arms are beast weapons for almost all of them they wouldn't perceive logis as the threat they are.

No, of course not

Logis = sidearm only, stupidest Idea ever.

You're entitled to your opinion, it isn't my fault that it is wrong.

I've been running sidearm logi since open beta (maybe a little before), I do fine.

It isn't my fault that you want to run Logi like an Assault.

I didn't know a Logi with an MD has the same damage output as an Assault with an AR.

Lose high / low slots and their HP needs to be somewhere between Light and Medium frame

They need to be forced to play more tactical

Yeah, they're also a lot sloppier than the Scrambler Pistol/SMG logis

So there is no reason to restrict a Logibro from using a MD. And I've never seen a Logi main a SMG in Open Beta, where SS AR completely outclassed it.

Naw. I was primarily thinking about players who really do use the logistics suits as souped-up assault suits, and don't do anything that's support-oriented at all. From what I can tell, those players primarily favor the Caldari logistics suit.

Sorry, I can't read another one of these threads front to back so I just skimmed it and this may have been brought up already...

If Logis get nerfed with weapon restrictions we should take away all equipment slots from the other suit classes?
Seems fair to me. If it's not my job to kill anyone then it's not an Assault or Scout's job to restock, or rez, or rep anyone, etc....

Gimme 8 equipment slots, a Proto Scrambler pistol, and CPU/PG to match and I'll make it work.

Once again you guys keep making references to logis not having a sidearm when there is in fact one that does.

Logis are *supposed* to be able to carry a lot of equipment. That's what makes true logistics troopers just that, true logistics troopers.

On a side note, logos that are loaded like that also have extremely expensive load outs. You kill a logi once or twice with that sort of load out, and you've essentially cost him/her any profit s/he would have made from the match. Heck, you might even force them into the red. In that case, the smart logi switches to cheaper loadouts.

But God mode? Bah. Whatever. Logi builds are pretty unique, even more so now with the racial variants.

Once again you guys keep making references to logis not having a sidearm when there is in fact one that does.

That's because everyone keeps saying all logi's have more eHP than a heavy, when the only logi even close to OP is the Caldari logi. Fair trade for the sake of argument me thinks.

I haven't seen anyone say that Logi shouldn't be able to kill (anyone who does say that is obviously an idiot). However, anyone who thinks that you can't kill with a Sidearm is just as much of an idiot.

good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

how come in PC battles I see scouts, Heavies, Assaults and Logis because they all work are pubs balenced no is PC balenced kind of.

still pubs are inherently unbalenced.

Buff assault suit damage and debuff logisuit damage

My proto assault had more HP than my proto logi, but I am in minmtar suits. I switched to logi's because I could more effectively shape the battlefield for my team. From dropping spawns to keeping people alive, supplied and fighting I earn my WP's. Just glad I wont have to dance over your corpse so I can rez you at 80% and throw one of my precious gauged nano hives at your feet.

I still think we should treat logis like a medic.

Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform.

Have you had a chance at fitting out a proto logi yourself, including all the proto equipment like you say not to mention being more tanked than a heavy? I think not.

You know how the saying goes: If you can't beat GÇÿem, join GÇÿem!

its like a zombie apocalypse. people are turning into the horde of the logis :/, even my fellow scout brothers

Yeah this sucks. I became a logi because there weren't to many of them when I played beta. Even if I had a logi on my team, they usually sucked .

Ima scout going into logi.
First reduction from slots from 6 to 5
Then reduction of equipment from 2 to 1.
reductin in total HP
Reduction on CPU and PG

BUT NOW THEY TAKE AWAY THE ONLY THING THT KEEPS ME ALIVE, the speed.



YUP YUP, your suit hasnt been NERFED twice in a row. Dont worry still, after they finish crapping on scouts they might start with Logis too and when everybody leaves for assault you can stay with logi...you know...alone...

no matter what i will stay a scout forever despite the circumstances because i know they will buff them in the future

"to be or not to be a scout, that is the question"

Sorry but NO...logis can't use more than one weapon

Double Flaylocks = GODMODE
'X' weapon + Flaylock = Demi-God

Exactly like I said in another thread basically. Logis should ONLY hold, as a weapon, a side arm. No light weapon. The main weapon slot should be a repair apparatus. Side arm of whatever is available on the market, grenades, and 2 equipment slots. Keep the highs and lows for tanking as they need it. A GOOD logi can kill with their sidearm just as easily as I can in an assault suit. Logi problem solved except for the tears of the Logisault users....

Cool ! a true logi bro.+1 to you...

ME? i went Logi because i predicted the game getting slower thanks to everybody whining that couldnt hit scouts.
Now my 8+ million sp proto min scout is worthless. Ty .


So i went Cal Logi , Of course, to be a super soldier, i aint helping no one...
Proto logi can do scout, heavy and assault roles at the same time, placing drop uplinks so i dont have to run that much, self resupply and remote explosives.

If you can't beat something, join it...

Also, for other players saying 'logi should be doing their logi role and not running around as slayers' etc.

Fine, let's compromise:

Logibros get a support weapon slot (MD,PC etc.) or sidearm only?
Logibros all get 4 slots at minimum

Everyone else should NOT have any equipment slots, since logis already pack them, and they should stick to their intended role of being 'slayers'. That way, assault players can concentrate on assaulting, scouts can concentrate on scouting and logi suits can concentrate on carrying equipment for their team.

Good compromise?

just make the logi do 10-20% less damage with the same weapons

How would you balance logi suits? I can't think of anything, but imma be reading x_x

Or give assault suits a damage buff?

Caldari logistics is the problem, not the other logistics. If you nerf us who do you expect to revive you in battle and possible save you ISK? Who do you expect to drop that random uplink that won the game? Who do you expect to have your back with his unerfed weapon damage and then healing you/reviving you/giving you ammo? Who do you expect to drop that remote explosive or proximity mine that kept the baddies away?

Me, that's who. I live to help you live, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Caldari logistics is the problem, not the other logistics. If you nerf us who do you expect to revive you in battle and possible save you ISK? Who do you expect to drop that random uplink that won the game? Who do you expect to have your back with his unerfed weapon damage and then healing you/reviving you/giving you ammo? Who do you expect to drop that remote explosive or proximity mine that kept the baddies away?

Me, that's who. I live to help you live, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I'll comprimise then Cal Logi loses Racial and a low slot

It's fine, according to our 'wise' forum trolls, our sidearm only slots are sufficient to clear the field for us to run out and stab them with a needle.

Don't you know, us Logibros are crackshots with pistols, killing everyone with 1-2 headshots ALL DAY EVERYDAY and doesn't afraid of anything.

that's nice and couldn't you expect QQ and a nerf as well or is your ego in the way?

In turn, assault players lose an equipment slot?

Ego in the way.

I like you I have a logi and he's not OP but the bouneses are just poorly made

I still think we should treat logis like a medic.

Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform.

Agreed that the Caldari Logi's bonus does 'seem' OP at first (it's why I run it after all ). BUT, as a cal logi that actually DOES logi, I have to say, without those shields, I wouldn't be able to chubby chase as effectively.

Would be nice if logi's got a racial bonus (tank related) + equipment PG/CPU bonus while assaults got a tank + gank bonus.

Anyway, whatever the changes there'll always be whiners, so it makes no difference :)

Different flavours of icecream is still icecream.

Caldari logistics is the problem, not the other logistics. If you nerf us who do you expect to revive you in battle and possible save you ISK? Who do you expect to drop that random uplink that won the game? Who do you expect to have your back with his unerfed weapon damage and then healing you/reviving you/giving you ammo? Who do you expect to drop that remote explosive or proximity mine that kept the baddies away?

Me, that's who. I live to help you live, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Logi gets in gun duel with assault...both run out of ammo....logi reloads, assault switches weapon...logi dies.

I can see the high and low slots being reduced on a logi so they are equal to assault...but that is pretty minor and only effects high end gear...which people mostly don't wear unless they are in a PC.

Your complaints are a minor problem at best.

I have to agree with that.

Logis as an institution are fine. CalLogi may be a tad strong for their role, but logis are fine asis. Want you to do a little exersize for me, k? Tally up the fitting cost of proto full slots and proto gear. You can only really have one or the other, and either way it's THE most expensive suit ISKwise sans full proto Amarr Heavy(not Sentinal).A Logi doing Logi things is the far more useful and far more feared creature, while a Logislayer needs to be dealt with properly, although I can understand them using their suits like that after speccing into what were useless Nanoinjectors and finding out that Nanohives all (used) to have the best ones at lvl II.

Ok PG/CPU as logi bonus, Tank Bounus as Logi
Increased Damage and Tank Bounus as Assault
On Dust/Eve right now?

Logis are already "fulfilled in their role" by having the extra equipment slots. They don't then also need to be better at doing an assault's job than an assault.

Caldari Logi needs to either lose 1 high and 1 low slot, or preferably 2 high slots. Done.

Logis are already "fulfilled in their role" by having the extra equipment slots. They don't then also need to be better at doing an assault's job than an assault.

Caldari Logi needs to either lose 1 high and 1 low slot, or preferably 2 high slots. Done.

Lose high / low slots and their HP needs to be somewhere between Light and Medium frame

They need to be forced to play more tactical

Assaults already fulfill their role by having light weapons AND a sidearm. They don't then also need to duplicate the logi's job. Therefore, assaults should have their equipment slots removed.

Agreed?

I would just like to put forth my observations on this matter. The only logis that are even remotely OP are Caldari, and that is null and void after 1 standard grade flux. Before the hate flies for me defending this, allow me to also clear the air, I do not run logi, I run assault. I have little problem taking down even proto logis, Caldari being the easiest to kill as long as I have my flux grenades. On top of that, I never run proto weapons or dropsuits with the exception of the charge sniper...hell, half the time I am running standard grade and I kill proto players. So you don't like that logis can tank? Too bad, there are counters to it. If you can't take the time to use a flux nade or scrambler rifle/pistol to counter shield tanked logis, that is your fault. Just because you can't be bothered to adapt to a different strategy does not mean that it is not balanced. Quit trying to get everything nerfed to oblivion just because you don't bother to adapt you strategies.

Let me break it down to people so we're all on the same page: Logis are always going to have more slots. Depending on their race, they have ~the same HP as scouts, slower than assaults and with the exception of the Amarr prototype, don't have a sidearm. On top of that, they're pretty much a tier-2 class that you need level 3 in basic medium frame suits just to have access to logistics. Since all everyone does is buffer tank, it looks like logis are better at a glance, but since all classes deal the same damage and everyone has the same skills, they aren't- it's the player. The Caldari is an exception because of their crazy racial bonus, which I agree needs to be toned or they need to give up some module slots to compensate. But anyone saying more tank = better should take a step back and realize that that isn't true. If it were the case, everyone would be running around in heavy suits with ARs, right?

Also a critisim of the Cal Logi is that it can Shield tank and Speed tank

No, of course not

Logis = sidearm only, stupidest Idea ever.

If they are running with others... they can be protected... otherwise they run or die, like another specialist role (the scout) does.