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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.03 05:38:00 -
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Let me break it down to people so we're all on the same page: Logis are always going to have more slots. Depending on their race, they have ~the same HP as scouts, slower than assaults and with the exception of the Amarr prototype, don't have a sidearm. On top of that, they're pretty much a tier-2 class that you need level 3 in basic medium frame suits just to have access to logistics. Since all everyone does is buffer tank, it looks like logis are better at a glance, but since all classes deal the same damage and everyone has the same skills, they aren't- it's the player. The Caldari is an exception because of their crazy racial bonus, which I agree needs to be toned or they need to give up some module slots to compensate. But anyone saying more tank = better should take a step back and realize that that isn't true. If it were the case, everyone would be running around in heavy suits with ARs, right?
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Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.03 05:42:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Let me break it down to people so we're all on the same page: Logis are always going to have more slots. Depending on their race, they have ~the same HP as scouts, slower than assaults and with the exception of the Amarr prototype, don't have a sidearm. On top of that, they're pretty much a tier-2 class that you need level 3 in basic medium frame suits just to have access to logistics. Since all everyone does is buffer tank, it looks like logis are better at a glance, but since all classes deal the same damage and everyone has the same skills, they aren't- it's the player. The Caldari is an exception because of their crazy racial bonus, which I agree needs to be toned or they need to give up some module slots to compensate. But anyone saying more tank = better should take a step back and realize that that isn't true. If it were the case, everyone would be running around in heavy suits with ARs, right?
Also a critisim of the Cal Logi is that it can Shield tank and Speed tank |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.03 05:46:00 -
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Colonel Killar wrote:Also a critisim of the Cal Logi is that it can Shield tank and Speed tank Maybe not speed tank, but it can get crazy high shields. Actually, thanks for reminding me of a point I missed: Shield tanking > Armor tanking. If shield and armor tanking were more equal or if shields actually had a downside compared to LOLarmor do you think we would be complaining about the CaLogi? |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.03 10:13:00 -
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I am moving this to Feedback/Requests. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:03:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Quill Killian wrote:Crash Monster wrote:I still think we should treat logis like a medic.
Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform. Hmm. I'm not necessarily against this ... but, if this is ever enacted, I want the SP I sank into my weapons skills back, and I want the limit removed from repair points. After all, if a logistics trooper's ability to defend him/herself is hamstrung, then there needs to be another way to make up for that loss. That said, I don't think CCP will ever do this. After all, from what I understand about EVE, logistics ships there are more than capable of defending themselves. So why would CCP hamstring its logistics players in Dust 514? Being restricted to a sidearm isn't having your ability to defend yourself hamstrung. No, of course not Logis = sidearm only, stupidest Idea ever.
If they are running with others... they can be protected... otherwise they run or die, like another specialist role (the scout) does. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:35:00 -
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@ Cosgar - they have more HP than scouts. Caldari has more shields than Minmatar scout's combined shields and armor. Gallente Logi 270 to Gallente Scout 200.
The % buffs on shields and armor skills give them even bigger advances given their base health. Then they have many slots than can be used to buff those.
I know you were looking to broker a peace in the argument but that has to be done with facts.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.07.03 16:45:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Quill Killian wrote:Crash Monster wrote:I still think we should treat logis like a medic.
Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform. Hmm. I'm not necessarily against this ... but, if this is ever enacted, I want the SP I sank into my weapons skills back, and I want the limit removed from repair points. After all, if a logistics trooper's ability to defend him/herself is hamstrung, then there needs to be another way to make up for that loss. That said, I don't think CCP will ever do this. After all, from what I understand about EVE, logistics ships there are more than capable of defending themselves. So why would CCP hamstring its logistics players in Dust 514? Being restricted to a sidearm isn't having your ability to defend yourself hamstrung. No, of course not Logis = sidearm only, stupidest Idea ever. If they are running with others... they can be protected... otherwise they run or die, like another specialist role (the scout) does.
Don't underestimate their ability to protect others as well. If only plugging scrambler pistol shots into the group of reddots from a flank (or while partially hidden by team mates with more tank fitted), that logi could mean the difference between life and death (as well as kill or assist) for his team mates in addition to being able to revive, repair and resupply afterwards.
Which brings me to another thought, just because I have a Reps Leash fitted doesn't mean I am going to run around the entire match chasing your ass after reddots being your Guardian. I might just break it out when I need to touch up a few seams for you, it isn't my fault that you assumed that I was your healing slave following you around like a lost puppy when you decided to bite off more than you could chew. I am more than just a Reps Leash for you, I am the absentee defender of Bravo, I am the Miner of the Charliegate Road, I am the hacker that prevents Alpha from flipping, I am the reason you have those "healing bubbles" you like in a few spots near you, I am the planter of your hidden (I remember them being hidable, isn't my fault Uprising broke them) spawns, I am the scanner who lights up reddots for you to lie in wait for and I am the Savior of your precious dropsuit fitting after that reddot put you down. I do all of these things humbly to benefit you moreso than myself, most of them are thankless and some of them aren't even personally profitable (No WP for Active Scanners? Triage WP Cap?). All of this I do while aiming high and trusting in my FLG and Scrambler Pistol to defend myself when **** hits the fan.
Don't tell me it can't be done, I do it every night. It isn't that hard if you just realize that you can't handle every engagement as though you were a member of the lesser Assault caste. |
ritslight umarn
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:11:00 -
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not beeing funny but since 1.2 came out im more squishe then ever before, i come up against assaults & heavys & they just rip me apart, & im not being funny a good proto logi will cost around 8 mill or more sp not even including your gun sp so if they nerf the logi people will moan that they've put so many sp into something thats absolutely sh*t, another point to look at is if your repping or picking up someone that you get shot down most of the time, if somebody is down in front of you & there using a proto suit & they are asking to be picked up youve got to clear that area before doing so, theres so many othere points why the logi suit shouldn't be changed but i cba to explain them |
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