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dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.07.03 04:05:00 -
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Reefersmokintaz wrote:Exactly like I said in another thread basically. Logis should ONLY hold, as a weapon, a side arm. No light weapon. The main weapon slot should be a repair apparatus. Side arm of whatever is available on the market, grenades, and 2 equipment slots. Keep the highs and lows for tanking as they need it. A GOOD logi can kill with their sidearm just as easily as I can in an assault suit. Logi problem solved except for the tears of the Logisault users....
So, you would like to limit logis to 2 equipment slots and a sidearm?
Pray tell, what would you put in those equipment slots? Nanohives and...?
"Oh HAI Fatty, sorry I can't rep you, I can give you ammo, and pick you up if you fall though... Make sure the area is cleared out by our squadmates though because I have a weapon with limited shots"
"Oh HAI assault player, I can't revive you, but I can give you some ammo and rep your armor.... What? Nobody is supposed to run a logi without a needle? Oh well, you assaults can always carry your own ammo then, and I'll run a needle which I can use once I clear our the area with my.... Oh wait"
"Screw you guys, I'll run my active scanner and remote explosives all day long. You guys can suck it since I can't help shoot anyone with my sidearm"
"Hi tank driver o/ I'll give you some reps! Oh hi infantry support, sorry didn't bring my needle or any ammo today because I am running a repairer for our tank, tough luck and you guys should really pre-plan your 1 equipment slot before spawning!"
It's nice to be able to QQ about something if you've never run it yourself. I like the way you share your extensive experience running a logi suit... |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.07.03 04:20:00 -
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Also, for other players saying 'logi should be doing their logi role and not running around as slayers' etc.
Fine, let's compromise:
Logibros get a support weapon slot (MD,PC etc.) or sidearm only?
Logibros all get 4 slots at minimum
Everyone else should NOT have any equipment slots, since logis already pack them, and they should stick to their intended role of being 'slayers'. That way, assault players can concentrate on assaulting, scouts can concentrate on scouting and logi suits can concentrate on carrying equipment for their team.
Good compromise? |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.07.03 04:23:00 -
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Colonel Killar wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Also, for other players saying 'logi should be doing their logi role and not running around as slayers' etc.
Fine, let's compromise:
Logibros get a support weapon slot (MD,PC etc.) or sidearm only?
Logibros all get 4 slots at minimum
Everyone else should NOT have any equipment slots, since logis already pack them, and they should stick to their intended role of being 'slayers'. That way, assault players can concentrate on assaulting, scouts can concentrate on scouting and logi suits can concentrate on carrying equipment for their team.
Good compromise? just make the logi do 10-20% less damage with the same weapons
Or give assault suits a damage buff? |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.07.03 04:26:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Caldari logistics is the problem, not the other logistics. If you nerf us who do you expect to revive you in battle and possible save you ISK? Who do you expect to drop that random uplink that won the game? Who do you expect to have your back with his unerfed weapon damage and then healing you/reviving you/giving you ammo? Who do you expect to drop that remote explosive or proximity mine that kept the baddies away?
Me, that's who. I live to help you live, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
It's fine, according to our 'wise' forum trolls, our sidearm only slots are sufficient to clear the field for us to run out and stab them with a needle.
Don't you know, us Logibros are crackshots with pistols, killing everyone with 1-2 headshots ALL DAY EVERYDAY and doesn't afraid of anything. |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.07.03 04:28:00 -
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Colonel Killar wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Caldari logistics is the problem, not the other logistics. If you nerf us who do you expect to revive you in battle and possible save you ISK? Who do you expect to drop that random uplink that won the game? Who do you expect to have your back with his unerfed weapon damage and then healing you/reviving you/giving you ammo? Who do you expect to drop that remote explosive or proximity mine that kept the baddies away?
Me, that's who. I live to help you live, don't bite the hand that feeds you. I'll comprimise then Cal Logi loses Racial and a low slot
In turn, assault players lose an equipment slot? |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.07.03 04:38:00 -
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Colonel Killar wrote:dustwaffle wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Caldari logistics is the problem, not the other logistics. If you nerf us who do you expect to revive you in battle and possible save you ISK? Who do you expect to drop that random uplink that won the game? Who do you expect to have your back with his unerfed weapon damage and then healing you/reviving you/giving you ammo? Who do you expect to drop that remote explosive or proximity mine that kept the baddies away?
Me, that's who. I live to help you live, don't bite the hand that feeds you. It's fine, according to our 'wise' forum trolls, our sidearm only slots are sufficient to clear the field for us to run out and stab them with a needle. Don't you know, us Logibros are crackshots with pistols, killing everyone with 1-2 headshots ALL DAY EVERYDAY and doesn't afraid of anything. I like you I have a logi and he's not OP but the bouneses are just poorly made
Agreed that the Caldari Logi's bonus does 'seem' OP at first (it's why I run it after all  ). BUT, as a cal logi that actually DOES logi, I have to say, without those shields, I wouldn't be able to chubby chase as effectively.
Would be nice if logi's got a racial bonus (tank related) + equipment PG/CPU bonus while assaults got a tank + gank bonus.
Anyway, whatever the changes there'll always be whiners, so it makes no difference :)
Different flavours of icecream is still icecream. |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.07.03 05:20:00 -
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Colonel Killar wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Colonel Killar wrote:dustwaffle wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Caldari logistics is the problem, not the other logistics. If you nerf us who do you expect to revive you in battle and possible save you ISK? Who do you expect to drop that random uplink that won the game? Who do you expect to have your back with his unerfed weapon damage and then healing you/reviving you/giving you ammo? Who do you expect to drop that remote explosive or proximity mine that kept the baddies away?
Me, that's who. I live to help you live, don't bite the hand that feeds you. It's fine, according to our 'wise' forum trolls, our sidearm only slots are sufficient to clear the field for us to run out and stab them with a needle. Don't you know, us Logibros are crackshots with pistols, killing everyone with 1-2 headshots ALL DAY EVERYDAY and doesn't afraid of anything. I like you I have a logi and he's not OP but the bouneses are just poorly made Agreed that the Caldari Logi's bonus does 'seem' OP at first (it's why I run it after all ). BUT, as a cal logi that actually DOES logi, I have to say, without those shields, I wouldn't be able to chubby chase as effectively. Would be nice if logi's got a racial bonus (tank related) + equipment PG/CPU bonus while assaults got a tank + gank bonus. Anyway, whatever the changes there'll always be whiners, so it makes no difference :) Different flavours of icecream is still icecream. Ok PG/CPU as logi bonus, Tank Bounus as Logi Increased Damage and Tank Bounus as Assault On Dust/Eve right now?
Nah, at work so always lurking forums
Something like PG/CPU bonus that Gal gets, then shield recharge/extension for cal/min and armor self-rep/extension for amarr/gal?
But then you'd have to factor in slot layout etc.
Who knows, it's a tough deal and I wouldn't fancy being the one doing the balancing and the one having to deal with forum crybabies. /shrugs |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.07.03 05:22:00 -
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Shion Typhon wrote:Logis are already "fulfilled in their role" by having the extra equipment slots. They don't then also need to be better at doing an assault's job than an assault.
Caldari Logi needs to either lose 1 high and 1 low slot, or preferably 2 high slots. Done.
Assaults already fulfill their role by having light weapons AND a sidearm. They don't then also need to duplicate the logi's job. Therefore, assaults should have their equipment slots removed.
Agreed? |
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