DUST Search - Logis + 1.2 = God Mode

Quill Killian wrote:

Reiki Jubo wrote:

good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do.

logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!!

i'm so glad the game is balanced.

Logis are *supposed* to be able to carry a lot of equipment. That's what makes true logistics troopers just that, true logistics troopers.

On a side note, logos that are loaded like that also have extremely expensive load outs. You kill a logi once or twice with that sort of load out, and you've essentially cost him/her any profit s/he would have made from the match. Heck, you might even force them into the red. In that case, the smart logi switches to cheaper loadouts.

But God mode? Bah. Whatever. Logi builds are pretty unique, even more so now with the racial variants.

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Galthur CrimeWave Syndicate 94	Posted - 2013.07.02 23:04:00 - [91] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Lose high / low slots and their HP needs to be somewhere between Light and Medium frame They need to be forced to play more tactical They do start with that much health the only problems are in the proto level
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 177	Posted - 2013.07.02 23:13:00 - [92] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: I didn't know a Logi with an MD has the same damage output as an Assault with an AR. Yeah, they're also a lot sloppier than the Scrambler Pistol/SMG logis So there is no reason to restrict a Logibro from using a MD. And I've never seen a Logi main a SMG in Open Beta, where SS AR completely outclassed it.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 477	Posted - 2013.07.02 23:26:00 - [93] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: I didn't know a Logi with an MD has the same damage output as an Assault with an AR. Yeah, they're also a lot sloppier than the Scrambler Pistol/SMG logis So there is no reason to restrict a Logibro from using a MD. And I've never seen a Logi main a SMG in Open Beta, where SS AR completely outclassed it. You've obviously never bumped into me then. Also, I've put forward the idea of a Logi Weapon slot several times. It would allow Logis access to LR, MD, SG, SL + Sidearms. Logibros are supportbros, not combatbros, that is fulfilled by Assaultbros and Heavybros. Sidearms and DPS equipment are more than sufficient for Logi killing power. Light weapons are unnecessary and TBH, counterproductive to the Logi. They engender expectations of Assault equivalency. Every 1 round from a Scrambler Pistol is the equivalent of 2 rounds from most ARs, can't forget they are more accurate too. If you have any semblance of aiming capability, they are also 1 round murder for most anyone outside Heavies (though still no more than 2-3 shots).
Steve 19 Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:41:00 - [94] - Quote Sorry, I can't read another one of these threads front to back so I just skimmed it and this may have been brought up already... If Logis get nerfed with weapon restrictions we should take away all equipment slots from the other suit classes? Seems fair to me. If it's not my job to kill anyone then it's not an Assault or Scout's job to restock, or rez, or rep anyone, etc.... Gimme 8 equipment slots, a Proto Scrambler pistol, and CPU/PG to match and I'll make it work.
superjoe360x D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 13	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:47:00 - [95] - Quote Quill Killian wrote: superjoe360x wrote: Killian are you saying they should direct anger at me. Yeah im an Amarr proto logi and I run as an assault supply and maybe touch of healing when Im not in a gun battle. I also can switch to my sidearm because my suit gets one and murder your assault suits. I have some PG and CPU issues and my suit cost 182,000 isk so if I lose it then it sux. My armor repair was already over 12 before these new plates came out. You assault guys can hate all day long while you sit in the redzone scared to come out but before you cry yourselves to sleep about logis understand one thing. You could have chosen a logi bro. So maybe you should make better decisions before you spend your points. Took me almost a whole day after my respect. Also my logi says its a frontline support role that is meant to be a combat logi suit. Read the suits next time before you put points into it. See you boys in your redzone. Naw. I was primarily thinking about players who really do use the logistics suits as souped-up assault suits, and don't do anything that's support-oriented at all. From what I can tell, those players primarily favor the Caldari logistics suit. Im just messin wit ya Quill I don't care who thinks what of my Amarr logi. Let em hate bro
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 481	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:52:00 - [96] - Quote Steve 19 wrote: Sorry, I can't read another one of these threads front to back so I just skimmed it and this may have been brought up already... If Logis get nerfed with weapon restrictions we should take away all equipment slots from the other suit classes? Seems fair to me. If it's not my job to kill anyone then it's not an Assault or Scout's job to restock, or rez, or rep anyone, etc.... Gimme 8 equipment slots, a Proto Scrambler pistol, and CPU/PG to match and I'll make it work. I haven't seen anyone say that Logi shouldn't be able to kill (anyone who does say that is obviously an idiot). However, anyone who thinks that you can't kill with a Sidearm is just as much of an idiot.
superjoe360x D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 13	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:52:00 - [97] - Quote Once again you guys keep making references to logis not having a sidearm when there is in fact one that does.
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Frontlinez Omega Commission 113	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:03:00 - [98] - Quote superjoe360x wrote: Once again you guys keep making references to logis not having a sidearm when there is in fact one that does. That's because everyone keeps saying all logi's have more eHP than a heavy, when the only logi even close to OP is the Caldari logi. Fair trade for the sake of argument me thinks.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 88	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:11:00 - [99] - Quote Quill Killian wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do. logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!! i'm so glad the game is balanced. Logis are supposed to be able to carry a lot of equipment. That's what makes true logistics troopers just that, true logistics troopers. On a side note, logos that are loaded like that also have extremely expensive load outs. You kill a logi once or twice with that sort of load out, and you've essentially cost him/her any profit s/he would have made from the match. Heck, you might even force them into the red. In that case, the smart logi switches to cheaper loadouts. But God mode? Bah. Whatever. Logi builds are pretty unique, even more so now with the racial variants. you forget that after that respec before open beta awhile ago CCP refunded alot of equipment we had which took some people from barely making it to dam near a hundred mil to blow.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2134	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:12:00 - [100] - Quote superjoe360x wrote: Once again you guys keep making references to logis not having a sidearm when there is in fact one that does. Obviously we amarr logis would get two sidearms for double the suckitude

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2134	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:15:00 - [101] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: superjoe360x wrote: Once again you guys keep making references to logis not having a sidearm when there is in fact one that does. That's because everyone keeps saying all logi's have more eHP than a heavy, when the only logi even close to OP is the Caldari logi. Fair trade for the sake of argument me thinks. Fact = Aside from the cal logi, all logis have the exact same EHP as the assault suits, with maybe a small difference. This is shown by removing the Cal logi's bonus, EHP difference? 2 HP, and still slower.
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 144	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:20:00 - [102] - Quote Good thing i PREDICTED a long time ago Logis Being the OP Soldiers they are now. Nobody listened. Asked for nerf/balance ; everybody said they were ok. now its too late And im so close for my Proto Logi Caldari its just fun.... feel my bumblebee drop suit's wrath...
Steve 19 Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:24:00 - [103] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Steve 19 wrote: Sorry, I can't read another one of these threads front to back so I just skimmed it and this may have been brought up already... If Logis get nerfed with weapon restrictions we should take away all equipment slots from the other suit classes? Seems fair to me. If it's not my job to kill anyone then it's not an Assault or Scout's job to restock, or rez, or rep anyone, etc.... Gimme 8 equipment slots, a Proto Scrambler pistol, and CPU/PG to match and I'll make it work. I haven't seen anyone say that Logi shouldn't be able to kill (anyone who does say that is obviously an idiot). However, anyone who thinks that you can't kill with a Sidearm is just as much of an idiot. Sorry dude, I thought my sarcasm was obvious. Original post amended.
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 144	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:25:00 - [104] - Quote Too late to ask for balance NOW. As some a****** told me everytime i whined about the cal logi: Adapt or Die.
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 88	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:29:00 - [105] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do. logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!! i'm so glad the game is balanced. how come in PC battles I see scouts, Heavies, Assaults and Logis because they all work are pubs balenced no is PC balenced kind of. still pubs are inherently unbalenced. Buff assault suit damage and debuff logisuit damage
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 145	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:30:00 - [106] - Quote Colonel Killar wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: good job CCP, you didnt address the two worst issues while adding 1.2 and now logis can carry ammo, uplinks and remote explosives and logi LAVs are easier to drive so roadkill is now even more ez mode. dont u love it when 1 supre soldier can fill the roles it would normally take 3 people to do? I know I do. logis can carry everything while having more shields than anyone and having enough CPU and PG to carry proto everything no problem. and now? logis can also have as much armor as heavies or add reactive plates so they repair armor at over 10Hp a second!! i'm so glad the game is balanced. how come in PC battles I see scouts, Heavies, Assaults and Logis because they all work are pubs balenced no is PC balenced kind of. still pubs are inherently unbalenced. Buff assault suit damage and debuff logisuit damage NOpe too late. Leave everything as it is.
Henchmen21 Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:35:00 - [107] - Quote My proto assault had more HP than my proto logi, but I am in minmtar suits. I switched to logi's because I could more effectively shape the battlefield for my team. From dropping spawns to keeping people alive, supplied and fighting I earn my WP's. Just glad I wont have to dance over your corpse so I can rez you at 80% and throw one of my precious gauged nano hives at your feet.
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 145	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:46:00 - [108] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: My proto assault had more HP than my proto logi, but I am in minmtar suits. I switched to logi's because I could more effectively shape the battlefield for my team. From dropping spawns to keeping people alive, supplied and fighting I earn my WP's. Just glad I wont have to dance over your corpse so I can rez you at 80% and throw one of my precious gauged nano hives at your feet. Cool ! a true logi bro.+1 to you... ME? i went Logi because i predicted the game getting slower thanks to everybody whining that couldnt hit scouts. Now my 8+ million sp proto min scout is worthless. Ty . So i went Cal Logi , Of course, to be a super soldier, i aint helping no one... Proto logi can do scout, heavy and assault roles at the same time, placing drop uplinks so i dont have to run that much, self resupply and remote explosives. If you can't beat something, join it...
J4yne C0bb DUST University Ivy League 37	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:51:00 - [109] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I still think we should treat logis like a medic. Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform. Speaking as a logibro that actually logis, I'm not necessarily opposed to this. But two things would need to happen to make this fair, in my opinion: 1) All the SP I put into AR needs to be refunded back to me, so I can put it into a subby or something. The only reason I run AR is so I can keep up with the Assault class, but if that is to be taken away, then I think it's fair to let me reallocate those particular points. 2) A new "support" weapons class would need to be created. Weapons like Mass Driver would need to be moved from L to this new class, so that logis that choose to run MD (and other "support" weapons like it, like maybe plasma cannon) can still continue to do so. I think it would be fair to let logis have two weapons slots (an S slot, and the new "support" weapons class), so that somebody could run MD and submachine gun, for instance... but if the QQ and tears start flowing, then one weapon slot that would accept either the new class or sidearm. my .02 ISK.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 478	Posted - 2013.07.03 01:58:00 - [110] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: good job CCP, logis can carry everything Have you had a chance at fitting out a proto logi yourself, including all the proto equipment like you say not to mention being more tanked than a heavy? I think not. You know how the saying goes: If you can't beat GÇÿem, join GÇÿem! Well, realistically he (assumption) cannot. There is no method to try out anything without spending the ISK, SP and effort to do it. The thing that most Logi Bro haters are ignoring is that simply running Logi Bro requires ~4M SP more than its assault counter part. Admittedly one could get sort of there with ~2.5M but to run the Proto Suit he is so worried about requires 2M by itself. My alt only has 4.8M SP total. It will have access to some Logi but he is still a Heavy/Assault and they have nuked the slots on the Caldari Log Suit anyway to 5/3/4 while the Minmatar is 4/4/4. As a Logi Bro that is a better slot layout but he is mostly concerned with the Shield tanking Caldari Logi Suit that provides 5 high slots to put all those massive shields into. All in all, a nice QQ Kitten post from someone that is probably getting ganked quite often by Caldari Logi suits.

Sollemnis Aelinos 89th Infantry Division 48	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:00:00 - [111] - Quote its like a zombie apocalypse. people are turning into the horde of the logis :/, even my fellow scout brothers
Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 177	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:05:00 - [112] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: its like a zombie apocalypse. people are turning into the horde of the logis :/, even my fellow scout brothers Yeah this sucks. I became a logi because there weren't to many of them when I played beta. Even if I had a logi on my team, they usually sucked .
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 145	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:08:00 - [113] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: its like a zombie apocalypse. people are turning into the horde of the logis :/, even my fellow scout brothers Yeah this sucks. I became a logi because there weren't to many of them when I played beta. Even if I had a logi on my team, they usually sucked . Ima scout going into logi. YUP YUP, but you suit hasnt been NERFED twice in a row. Dont worry still, after they finish crapping on scouts they might start with Logis too and when everybody leaves for assault you can stay with logi...you know...alone...
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th Infantry Division 49	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:16:00 - [114] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: its like a zombie apocalypse. people are turning into the horde of the logis :/, even my fellow scout brothers Yeah this sucks. I became a logi because there weren't to many of them when I played beta. Even if I had a logi on my team, they usually sucked . Ima scout going into logi. First reduction from slots from 6 to 5 Then reduction of equipment from 2 to 1. reductin in total HP Reduction on CPU and PG BUT NOW THEY TAKE AWAY THE ONLY THING THT KEEPS ME ALIVE, the speed. YUP YUP, your suit hasnt been NERFED twice in a row. Dont worry still, after they finish crapping on scouts they might start with Logis too and when everybody leaves for assault you can stay with logi...you know...alone... no matter what i will stay a scout forever despite the circumstances because i know they will buff them in the future "to be a scout or not to be a scout, that is the question"
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 147	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:18:00 - [115] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: no matter what i will stay a scout forever despite the circumstances because i know they will buff them in the future "to be or not to be a scout, that is the question" I respect your level of not giving a f***. Me myself? i play to win. Not to be unique.
GVGISDEAD Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:23:00 - [116] - Quote Sorry but NO...logis can't use more than one weapon Double Flaylocks = GODMODE 'X' weapon + Flaylock = Demi-God
J4yne C0bb DUST University Ivy League 37	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:41:00 - [117] - Quote GVGISDEAD wrote: Sorry but NO...logis can't use more than one weapon Double Flaylocks = GODMODE 'X' weapon + Flaylock = Demi-God Was that directed at me? If so, agreed. I'd be fine with not being able to put another sidearm in the proposed "Support" weapons class slot. One of each only.
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 131	Posted - 2013.07.03 04:05:00 - [118] - Quote Reefersmokintaz wrote: Exactly like I said in another thread basically. Logis should ONLY hold, as a weapon, a side arm. No light weapon. The main weapon slot should be a repair apparatus. Side arm of whatever is available on the market, grenades, and 2 equipment slots. Keep the highs and lows for tanking as they need it. A GOOD logi can kill with their sidearm just as easily as I can in an assault suit. Logi problem solved except for the tears of the Logisault users.... So, you would like to limit logis to 2 equipment slots and a sidearm? Pray tell, what would you put in those equipment slots? Nanohives and...? "Oh HAI Fatty, sorry I can't rep you, I can give you ammo, and pick you up if you fall though... Make sure the area is cleared out by our squadmates though because I have a weapon with limited shots" "Oh HAI assault player, I can't revive you, but I can give you some ammo and rep your armor.... What? Nobody is supposed to run a logi without a needle? Oh well, you assaults can always carry your own ammo then, and I'll run a needle which I can use once I clear our the area with my.... Oh wait" "Screw you guys, I'll run my active scanner and remote explosives all day long. You guys can suck it since I can't help shoot anyone with my sidearm" "Hi tank driver o/ I'll give you some reps! Oh hi infantry support, sorry didn't bring my needle or any ammo today because I am running a repairer for our tank, tough luck and you guys should really pre-plan your 1 equipment slot before spawning!" It's nice to be able to QQ about something if you've never run it yourself. I like the way you share your extensive experience running a logi suit...
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 91	Posted - 2013.07.03 04:18:00 - [119] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: My proto assault had more HP than my proto logi, but I am in minmtar suits. I switched to logi's because I could more effectively shape the battlefield for my team. From dropping spawns to keeping people alive, supplied and fighting I earn my WP's. Just glad I wont have to dance over your corpse so I can rez you at 80% and throw one of my precious gauged nano hives at your feet. Cool ! a true logi bro.+1 to you... ME? i went Logi because i predicted the game getting slower thanks to everybody whining that couldnt hit scouts. Now my 8+ million sp proto min scout is worthless. Ty . So i went Cal Logi , Of course, to be a super soldier, i aint helping no one... Proto logi can do scout, heavy and assault roles at the same time, placing drop uplinks so i dont have to run that much, self resupply and remote explosives. If you can't beat something, join it... Make ths Cal Logi Burst into flames when deployed or have CCP take a low slot and fix the cal logis bounus as well as debuffing logi damages.
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 131	Posted - 2013.07.03 04:20:00 - [120] - Quote Also, for other players saying 'logi should be doing their logi role and not running around as slayers' etc. Fine, let's compromise: Logibros get a support weapon slot (MD,PC etc.) or sidearm only? Logibros all get 4 slots at minimum Everyone else should NOT have any equipment slots, since logis already pack them, and they should stick to their intended role of being 'slayers'. That way, assault players can concentrate on assaulting, scouts can concentrate on scouting and logi suits can concentrate on carrying equipment for their team. Good compromise?



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