DUST Search - Logis + 1.2 = God Mode

Crash Monster wrote:

Sloth9230 wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Quill Killian wrote:

Crash Monster wrote:

I still think we should treat logis like a medic.

Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform.

Hmm. I'm not necessarily against this ... but, if this is ever enacted, I want the SP I sank into my weapons skills back, and I want the limit removed from repair points. After all, if a logistics trooper's ability to defend him/herself is hamstrung, then there needs to be another way to make up for that loss.

That said, I don't think CCP will ever do this. After all, from what I understand about EVE, logistics ships there are more than capable of defending themselves. So why would CCP hamstring its logistics players in Dust 514?

Being restricted to a sidearm isn't having your ability to defend yourself hamstrung.

No, of course not Roll

Logis = sidearm only, stupidest Idea ever.

If they are running with others... they can be protected... otherwise they run or die, like another specialist role (the scout) does.


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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 476	Posted - 2013.07.02 21:42:00 - [1] - Quote I haven't played 1.2 yet, I look forward to it. <-Sidearm Logi Proud since Chromosome
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 476	Posted - 2013.07.02 21:47:00 - [2] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Dont know if that it to me or the op - but I am arguing on the principle and how it seems Logis have been given a place above others. It really seems as is Dust should be called Logi AR 514 but whatever. I agree about murder taxis but CCP should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time .... right? Both topics have enough threads anyways so I guess lets just go play. We are a support class intended to KEEP YOUR ASS IN THE FIGHT, we should be allowed the tools we need to do so without being able to strongarm Assaults out of their role on the field. We need our equipment, we need our tank, though (as I've been saying for a while now) we don't need an inordinate amount of gank. We should be given a place above others, though at the expense of us essentially being a servant for our team.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 476	Posted - 2013.07.02 21:48:00 - [3] - Quote Quill Killian wrote: Crash Monster wrote: I still think we should treat logis like a medic. Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform. Hmm. I'm not necessarily against this ... but, if this is ever enacted, I want the SP I sank into my weapons skills back, and I want the limit removed from repair points. After all, if a logistics trooper's ability to defend him/herself is hamstrung, then there needs to be another way to make up for that loss. That said, I don't think CCP will ever do this. After all, from what I understand about EVE, logistics ships there are more than capable of defending themselves. So why would CCP hamstring its logistics players in Dust 514? Being restricted to a sidearm isn't having your ability to defend yourself hamstrung.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 476	Posted - 2013.07.02 21:51:00 - [4] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: The Minmitar Logi had a base 125 shield and 150 armor in Chromosome. They have a base 90 shield and 150 armor in Uprising. How is that OP, and more capable of tanking than a heavy? They have the exact same H/L and Equipment slots as they did in Chromosome, and yet only now I'm hearing about how OP they are... I don't get it. If you die to a true Logi you are bad and you should feel bad. I'll make sure to let everyone I kill know they should feel bad.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 477	Posted - 2013.07.02 22:07:00 - [5] - Quote Cpt Merdock wrote: Booby Tuesdays wrote: The Minmitar Logi had a base 125 shield and 150 armor in Chromosome. They have a base 90 shield and 150 armor in Uprising. How is that OP, and more capable of tanking than a heavy? They have the exact same H/L and Equipment slots as they did in Chromosome, and yet only now I'm hearing about how OP they are... I don't get it. If you die to a true Logi you are bad and you should feel bad. Oh really? I guess ill be apologizing as well, Considering I'm a true Logi and in the top 750 in the world for Kills. No that is not something to brag about...but still if you say a true logi shouldnt be killing people then its pretty damn good. :) IMHO, we Logi should be more focused on support, we are not frontline soldiers. We are no less capable of killing than any other role, we just need to play more intelligently rather than charging headlong into the enemy. Flank + Sidearm == Dead Reddot.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 477	Posted - 2013.07.02 22:35:00 - [6] - Quote bauloe reporter wrote: Why can't there be a Heavy Logi Suit. Use it for Demoltion - Blowing apart Buildings, making holes where there normally would not be one Able to hold massive cargo for those objectives where you need to move component A to location B with out it getting destroyed! Posts like this make Minmatar Logi Jesus cry.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 477	Posted - 2013.07.02 22:52:00 - [7] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Quill Killian wrote: Crash Monster wrote: I still think we should treat logis like a medic. Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform. Hmm. I'm not necessarily against this ... but, if this is ever enacted, I want the SP I sank into my weapons skills back, and I want the limit removed from repair points. After all, if a logistics trooper's ability to defend him/herself is hamstrung, then there needs to be another way to make up for that loss. That said, I don't think CCP will ever do this. After all, from what I understand about EVE, logistics ships there are more than capable of defending themselves. So why would CCP hamstring its logistics players in Dust 514? Being restricted to a sidearm isn't having your ability to defend yourself hamstrung. No, of course not Logis = sidearm only, stupidest Idea ever. You're entitled to your opinion, it isn't my fault that it is wrong. I've been running sidearm logi since open beta (maybe a little before), I do fine. It isn't my fault that you want to run Logi like an Assault.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 477	Posted - 2013.07.02 23:03:00 - [8] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: I didn't know a Logi with an MD has the same damage output as an Assault with an AR. Yeah, they're also a lot sloppier than the Scrambler Pistol/SMG logis
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 477	Posted - 2013.07.02 23:26:00 - [9] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: I didn't know a Logi with an MD has the same damage output as an Assault with an AR. Yeah, they're also a lot sloppier than the Scrambler Pistol/SMG logis So there is no reason to restrict a Logibro from using a MD. And I've never seen a Logi main a SMG in Open Beta, where SS AR completely outclassed it. You've obviously never bumped into me then. Also, I've put forward the idea of a Logi Weapon slot several times. It would allow Logis access to LR, MD, SG, SL + Sidearms. Logibros are supportbros, not combatbros, that is fulfilled by Assaultbros and Heavybros. Sidearms and DPS equipment are more than sufficient for Logi killing power. Light weapons are unnecessary and TBH, counterproductive to the Logi. They engender expectations of Assault equivalency. Every 1 round from a Scrambler Pistol is the equivalent of 2 rounds from most ARs, can't forget they are more accurate too. If you have any semblance of aiming capability, they are also 1 round murder for most anyone outside Heavies (though still no more than 2-3 shots).
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 481	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:52:00 - [10] - Quote Steve 19 wrote: Sorry, I can't read another one of these threads front to back so I just skimmed it and this may have been brought up already... If Logis get nerfed with weapon restrictions we should take away all equipment slots from the other suit classes? Seems fair to me. If it's not my job to kill anyone then it's not an Assault or Scout's job to restock, or rez, or rep anyone, etc.... Gimme 8 equipment slots, a Proto Scrambler pistol, and CPU/PG to match and I'll make it work. I haven't seen anyone say that Logi shouldn't be able to kill (anyone who does say that is obviously an idiot). However, anyone who thinks that you can't kill with a Sidearm is just as much of an idiot.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 495	Posted - 2013.07.03 16:45:00 - [11] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Quill Killian wrote: Crash Monster wrote: I still think we should treat logis like a medic. Give them a sidearm for close range emergencies... they are a support platform not a combat platform. Hmm. I'm not necessarily against this ... but, if this is ever enacted, I want the SP I sank into my weapons skills back, and I want the limit removed from repair points. After all, if a logistics trooper's ability to defend him/herself is hamstrung, then there needs to be another way to make up for that loss. That said, I don't think CCP will ever do this. After all, from what I understand about EVE, logistics ships there are more than capable of defending themselves. So why would CCP hamstring its logistics players in Dust 514? Being restricted to a sidearm isn't having your ability to defend yourself hamstrung. No, of course not Logis = sidearm only, stupidest Idea ever. If they are running with others... they can be protected... otherwise they run or die, like another specialist role (the scout) does. Don't underestimate their ability to protect others as well. If only plugging scrambler pistol shots into the group of reddots from a flank (or while partially hidden by team mates with more tank fitted), that logi could mean the difference between life and death (as well as kill or assist) for his team mates in addition to being able to revive, repair and resupply afterwards. Which brings me to another thought, just because I have a Reps Leash fitted doesn't mean I am going to run around the entire match chasing your ass after reddots being your Guardian. I might just break it out when I need to touch up a few seams for you, it isn't my fault that you assumed that I was your healing slave following you around like a lost puppy when you decided to bite off more than you could chew. I am more than just a Reps Leash for you, I am the absentee defender of Bravo, I am the Miner of the Charliegate Road, I am the hacker that prevents Alpha from flipping, I am the reason you have those "healing bubbles" you like in a few spots near you, I am the planter of your hidden (I remember them being hidable, isn't my fault Uprising broke them) spawns, I am the scanner who lights up reddots for you to lie in wait for and I am the Savior of your precious dropsuit fitting after that reddot put you down. I do all of these things humbly to benefit you moreso than myself, most of them are thankless and some of them aren't even personally profitable (No WP for Active Scanners? Triage WP Cap?). All of this I do while aiming high and trusting in my FLG and Scrambler Pistol to defend myself when **** hits the fan. Don't tell me it can't be done, I do it every night. It isn't that hard if you just realize that you can't handle every engagement as though you were a member of the lesser Assault caste.