I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

How about it is not overpowered but... it is where it belongs?

Keep nerfing the AR and breaking the game. AR actually needs a lot of buffs to make it just feel like a real weapon and not some toy.

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The AR and flaylock are the only good weapons left in the game, nerf that and everything will be balanced. Oh wait, I think you didn't get the memo, this isn't supposed to be a twitch shooter. That thing were people don't die in 3 bullets? Yeah, that's how it's supposed to be.

Buff the AR?
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Keep nerfing the AR and breaking the game. AR actually needs a lot of buffs to make it just feel like a real weapon and not some toy. To do this other guns needs buffs as well to keep up and be real weapons. (Don't expect all guns to be equal it just won't happen and in some cases shouldn't happen.)

Don't believe me? Look at the player count.

This just in: longer TTK = bad game design

Keep nerfing the AR and breaking the game. AR actually needs a lot of buffs to make it just feel like a real weapon and not some toy. To do this other guns needs buffs as well to keep up and be real weapons. (Don't expect all guns to be equal it just won't happen and in some cases shouldn't happen.)

Don't believe me? Look at the player count.

AR actually needs a lot of buffs to make it just feel like a real weapon and not some toy. To do this other guns needs buffs as well to keep up and be real weapons.

So...buff all guns?

Oddly enough, CCP may be doing just that in 1.2. How about we all drop the nerf threads for a week and find out?

This just in: longer TTK = bad game design

So...buff all guns?

Armies in general through history rely on a standard weapon. In Dust, it is the AR. Specialty weapons offer advantages and disadvantages over this baseline and are utilized in a situational manner in support of unit requirements.

Also, cry more noob!!! jk

Hopefully they're smart enough to not buff the AR

They're only giving it an Absolute range beyond the falloff, which means that it'll do damage out further, but at a far higher penalty-per-meter.

Yes.

That was the problem when they killed the Tac rifles (which did need to be pulled back a bit, instead they got the ******* nerf hammer). They took the only gun in the game really worth using, and instead of pulling up everything, and pulling that back just an inch, to be fair in that way, they knocked it down to meet the other totally useless gun standards.

It's like they're trying to carve out what everyone expects to be Michelangelo's David, but instead of using a chisel they're using a sledge hammer.

I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

Yeah it does, when its the ******* disgusting framerate, hd and aiming thats causeing the problem

Also, ar may still be the most versatile weapon, as it should be, buts its the most crappiest ar i've ever seen in a fps, the range is a complete and utter unfunny joke, and no i dont want to be sniping across the map with it, but as it stands its ******* pathetic, especially given the map sizes

All the weapons suck, and its all you c.unts with the "op" threads that are to blame

I don't know if OP is the right word, but it works TOO well in every situation.

Me thinks you don't understand how balance works

All weapons suck = balance = no weapons suck

All weapons are good = balance= no weapons are good.

Now, if your problem is with long TTK (time to kill), then perhaps this game isn't your style

If you think the TTK right now is fine

*puts loremaster hat on* Plasma-Based blaster weapons such as the AR are short range high damage weapons not these mid-range killing machines that they are.
ScR and the upcoming CoR are mid range and the GauR is long range

I don't know if OP is the right word, but it works TOO well in every situation.

I was sitting on my sofa playing dust while drinking coke, and topped 3 games last night, coming no lower than 4th in all my games. Clearly sofas and coke are OP. NERF SOFA!! NERF COKE!! BUFF PEPSI

actually the coke is UP and you don't notice that because the sofa is so OP try coke and a chair

actually the coke is UP and you don't notice that because the sofa is so OP try coke and a chair

Chair... bro, does this look like a PC game to you? Have you gone mad???

Chair... bro, does this look like a PC game to you? Have you gone mad???

PC as in computer or Planetary Uselessness?

I was sitting on my sofa playing dust while drinking coke, and topped 3 games last night, coming no lower than 4th in all my games. Clearly sofas and coke are OP. NERF SOFA!! NERF COKE!! BUFF PEPSI

Sorry forgot to mention that I was also making a bacon sandwich at the time so it might not have been the sofa that was OP

Also, don't be ridiculous, coke is never UP.

I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

Dr Pepper and folding chairs are the only ones that take real skill to use

AR IS NOT OP!

Everything els just sucks.

Dr. Pepper is balenced, Mr. Pibb is UP, are these folding chairs with or without padding?

AR IS NOT OP!

Everything els just sucks.

Don't know if anyone's said this yet but I've read too many AR is OP threads to deal with another one. The AR isn't OP as much as every other weapon is garbage.

Mass Drivers have an issue with hits registering
Plasma Cannons are just just garbage in general
Laser Rifles might as well just have been removed from the game with how bad CCP screwed them up.

So what they need to do is fix the rest of the crap, leave the AR alone and then we'll see what it stands.

PC as in computer or Planetary Uselessness?

Dr. Pepper is balenced, Mr. Pibb is UP, are these folding chairs with or without padding?

The only thing that will save Dust 514 is folding chairs WITH padding, a cupholder for my coke, and a foldable tray for bacon sandwich

Dr Pepper and folding chairs are the only ones that take real skill to use

PC as in PC

Only noobs use padded folding chairs

Ugh, I feel dirty every time I type noob

Blasters have heat build up, ARs don't for what reason?

I have a Reclining Chair for gaming so...

IDK, CCP probably can't handle that many QQ threads

and the issue of UP Mr. Pibb or UP 7-Up . What is on the bacon sandwich? I want your bacon sandwich fitting.

Clearly you are a non Mr. Pibb/7-Up using scrub. Everyone knows 7-up is extremely powerful in the right hands, while Mr. Pibb shines in its intended element. Coke on the other hand is versatile at all ranges but have no obvious strengths or weaknesses.

MY BACON SANDWICH WAS FITTED WITH THE FOLLOWING:

a/c/g/mK.0
High slots:
1x Bread load end, lightly toasted with a sprinkle of sesame seeds
1x Fried egg

Mid slots:
2x bacon rashers fried to a crisp
2x bacon rashers fried to chewiness
1x Tomato

Low slots
1x Bread load end, lightly toasted (NO SESAME SEEDS)

This is clearly balanced and should NEVER be touched, or I will quit the game

Personally, my beverage of choice is Black Gold, 3/4 Dr. Pepper, and 1/4 Coke.

This is of course when I'm not drinking a Mike's Hard.

*Serious Note* Personally there is no need for that high of an amount of Dr. Pepper 1/4 Dr. Pepper will do fine with it's stronger flavor than coke

Which is why the coke is needed to coken it down.

I'm not trying to pepper the coke

Which is why the coke is needed to coken it down.

I'm not trying to pepper the coke

Coking the pepper > peppering the coke

Get gud

I'm starting a Chat channel called Beverages to discuss this while in game

Call it BJS

Bacon something and Soda

Make it then I'll join later tommorow or when ever class is ending. summer semester at college, always fun doing 16 week courses in 8 weeks

Tis that not what I said?

If this was local chat which It looks like I'd tell you all good night and good luck

I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

lol, we turned a fail thread into a win thread

You don't want the AR nerfed, you want to have it remove from the game. Its very obvious now. The AR got a huge nerf in Uprising;

-Range
-Bullet spread
-Recoil
-Aiming accuracy ( Mouse Nerfed )

If you nerf the AR anymore, it will be easier to just remove it from the game altogether, because no one will use it any longer.

And CCP have said Gameplay > Lore
Go back to Eve

You don't want the AR nerfed, you want to have it remove from the game. Its very obvious now. The AR got a huge nerf in Uprising;

-Range
-Bullet spread
-Recoil
-Aiming accuracy ( Mouse Nerfed )

If you nerf the AR anymore, it will be easier to just remove it from the game altogether, because no one will use it any longer.

None of those were touched, but keep telling yourself that

Sorry dude, but i do notice changes like this.. you may fool a kid, but you can't fool a FPS veteran.

I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

The problem isn't so much that the AR is OP as that too many other guns are UP.

The AR toting masses don't like anything that can kill them, so as soon as a weapon that can be competitive with the AR emerges they fill the forums with tears until it gets nerfed.

For instance right now. I get killed by an LAV about once for every 25-50 times I die, whereas ARs account for about 70% of those deaths.

Yet this is the first "AR is OP" thread I have seen, while I've seen more anti-"murder taxi" threads than I can shake a stick at.

Here's my solution:

De-nerf the shotgun, de-nerf the mass driver, de-nerf the laser rifle, buff the plasma cannon, add proto tanks, keep LAVs as they are.

Tell the AR toting masses to freaking adapt, because this isn't meant to be a one gun game.

The AR toting masses are about 70% of Dust 514 population... go a head, make the AR unuseful, i will come back to laugh at your faces when the player base drops bellow 1000. You can't force people to use the Weapon YOU like, like it or not the AR is a popular weapon in ALL FPS games.

At no point in time did he suggest a nerf to the AR, oh, yeah I guess no longer being the only useful gun in the game is considered a nerf now? Geez you're dumb

Lore still needs to be there or there will be no reason to have racial suits or weapons. Game play my be more important than lore but without lore the game is even more boring. The differences in weapons and suits add to the game and without lore the game is superficial and bland. Yes game play is the most important thing but lore adds fun and diversity and without those two things we will have a game where all weapons do all things to all people.

Go back to COD.

I just explaining the reason why people gets kill by AR's more often than any other weapon.. no Nerfing or "Buffing" is going to change that. You can buff every other weapon as much as you like, people will still prefer the Assault Riffle.

The AR toting masses are about 70% of Dust 514 population... go a head, make the AR unuseful, i will come back to laugh at your faces when the player base drops bellow 1000. You can't force people to use the Weapon YOU like, like it or not the AR is a popular weapon in ALL FPS games.

I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

Sorry forgot to mention that I was also making a bacon sandwich at the time so it might not have been the sofa that was OP

Also, don't be ridiculous, coke is never UP.

Well, this went places. I really only intended it to be a vehicle for an OPinion and to provide some entertainment (I'd call that an OP success).

I agree though, it isn't that the AR should be nerfed, though the other "niche" weapons should be made stronger within their niches. All weapons should have a "competitive sweet spot" in which they excel.

@Miguel
lol, you're funny

Oh, and I too belong to the MD Master Race, I'd quiet down if I were a member of any of the other diluted soda race, you might end up sent to the gulags like those dirty Mr Pibb drinkers.

Jawohl Mein Dew

It kind of confuses me that LR, AR and SCR are in different skill trees. I feel like all of these weapons are flavors of the same idea, and I really doubt my personal capacity to reload a clip fed weapon changes because of the amo in the box. Have you noticed how similar SCR and AR reload animations are? Similarly, scrambler pistol and flaylock seem rather close. A rework on this might be hard to balance (ex: heavy suit users wouldn't obviously get a help here, and they already kinda suffer on this front as has been pointed out in the comando discussion thread).

In general, I really like the idea of skilling into what you want to do, and the importance of making good decisions with SP. But... this seems a little fine tuned. And grouping a few weapons together would add a little flexibility that might help with player retention (today I want to do y instead of x).

Mountain Dew is the Word, the Truth, and the Light. Suffer not the unbeliever to live.

Lore is fluff
What adds fun and diversity is game modes, weapon variety, vehicle variety, map variety, aesthetic customization, weapon customization, vehicle customization, I could go on
And while yes lore does give a bit of a jumping off point for some of that trucks and shotguns in space are not ground breaking unique ideas CCP thought up and should be functionally similar to other games not due to a lack of ideas but because they were done right and you dont fix what isnt broken

Go back to EVE and cry to your spreadsheets

My wonder is if the Combat Rifle, Gauss Rifle and Scrambler Rifle are going to get the same selection of skills as the Assault Rifle.

Will there be Combat Rifle Sharpshooter, Gauss Rifle Sharpshooter and why isn't there Scrambler Rifle Sharpshooter (sorry if there is, I haven't noticed, I don't usually use the AR variants and won't until the Combat Rifle is released)? If they are the other racial variants of the Assault Rifle, why don't they have the same depth of skill?



And Mountain Dew defeated Mellow Yellow that day, scattering the defeated drinkers of that foul brew among the four winds.

--1Dew 13:37

Well, this went places. I really only intended it to be a vehicle for an OPinion and to provide some entertainment (I'd call that an OP success).

I agree though, it isn't that the AR should be nerfed, though the other "niche" weapons should be made stronger within their niches. All weapons should have a "competitive sweet spot" in which they excel.

@Miguel
lol, you're funny

Oh, and I too belong to the MD Master Race, I'd quiet down if I were a member of any of the other diluted soda race, you might end up sent to the gulags like those dirty Mr Pibb drinkers.

Jawohl Mein Dew

How about it is not overpowered but... it is where it belongs?

Threads like these are the reason dropships are completely useless and logistics LAVs endure more than HAVs.

I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

How about it is not overpowered but... it is where it belongs?

For those that are unable to realize the true meaning of the statement "The AR is OP"

Let me clarify, the AR is OP relative to the other guns in Dust. This is what makes it OP, its relative greater effectiveness to the much less effectiveness of other weapons.

The AR may very well be as CCP intended, highly effective, but since it is far more effective than other weapons, players are likely to see it as OP since the other weapons have a much greater difficulty fending off assault rifles than assault rifles have fending off other weapons. Regardless of semantics, the weapons are not balanced.

I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

AR are still useful, CCP! Do something, for God sake!

Nerf everything to the point of derpships, MD and LR! That will bring balance and fun!

Take the AR out of the game, what's the best weapon in the game? Now put the AR back, what's the best weapon in the game now?

Take the AR out of the game, what's the best weapon in the game? Now put the AR back, what's the best weapon in the game now?

I wonder what would happen if CCP did do that, I wonder what everyone (that didn't uninstall and flood the forums with tears) would switch to.

Might be an interesting social experiment.

Keep nerfing the AR and breaking the game. AR actually needs a lot of buffs to make it just feel like a real weapon and not some toy. To do this other guns needs buffs as well to keep up and be real weapons. (Don't expect all guns to be equal it just won't happen and in some cases shouldn't happen.)

Don't believe me? Look at the player count.

Take the AR out of the game, what's the best weapon in the game? Now put the AR back, what's the best weapon in the game now?

That's a good point. I'd wager the Scrambler rifle is almost as good as the AR and would become the weapon of choice. For the most part, however, I consider the SR to be an AR. It's pretty close anyway.

The only buff everything needs is a global range buff, and that can wait until the maps are big enough.

How about it is not overpowered but... it is where it belongs?

How bout not talking random sht and actually explaining...

OP is like a reverse PDIGGY

Why must MD ally themselves with Pepsi argueably the weakest variety of pop/soda/coke(to those in the southern US every soda is coke)
Sloth, Waffle, where are you? this is becoming far too of topic form our food and beverage discussion.

I see this thread went from **** to something resembling cokey goodness then back to **** again in my absence

It is a AR but a balanced one with advantages and disadvantages.

I just noticed this, IDK if it is a compliment or an insult.

What exactly are its disadvantages? I would like to honestly know this.

Low armor damage, heat buildup, harder to aim than an AR...