DUST Search - AR is OP, only the delusional will deny it

Fearless Speech wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Well, this went places. I really only intended it to be a vehicle for an OPinion and to provide some entertainment (I'd call that an OP success).

I agree though, it isn't that the AR should be nerfed, though the other "niche" weapons should be made stronger within their niches. All weapons should have a "competitive sweet spot" in which they excel.

@Miguel
lol, you're funny

Oh, and I too belong to the MD Master Race, I'd quiet down if I were a member of any of the other diluted soda race, you might end up sent to the gulags like those dirty Mr Pibb drinkers.

Jawohl Mein Dew

It kind of confuses me that LR, AR and SCR are in different skill trees. I feel like all of these weapons are flavors of the same idea, and I really doubt my personal capacity to reload a clip fed weapon changes because of the amo in the box. Have you noticed how similar SCR and AR reload animations are? Similarly, scrambler pistol and flaylock seem rather close. A rework on this might be hard to balance (ex: heavy suit users wouldn't obviously get a help here, and they already kinda suffer on this front as has been pointed out in the comando discussion thread).

In general, I really like the idea of skilling into what you want to do, and the importance of making good decisions with SP. But... this seems a little fine tuned. And grouping a few weapons together would add a little flexibility that might help with player retention (today I want to do y instead of x).

Mountain Dew is the Word, the Truth, and the Light. Suffer not the unbeliever to live.


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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 406	Posted - 2013.06.26 04:10:00 - [1] - Quote I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1. AR is OP, Final Answer.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 406	Posted - 2013.06.26 05:56:00 - [2] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1. AR is OP, Final Answer. I don't know if OP is the right word, but it works TOO well in every situation. Yeah, TBH, this is more what I meant. I just kinda released a short stream of consciousness and walked away. Equally surprised that it made it this far and that it hasn't made it farther. Every kill I got with an AR tonight felt easy, cheap and dirty. I didn't really need to work for it, it just happened. Starter Fits are empty fun.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 408	Posted - 2013.06.26 15:55:00 - [3] - Quote Well, this went places. I really only intended it to be a vehicle for an OPinion and to provide some entertainment (I'd call that an OP success). I agree though, it isn't that the AR should be nerfed, though the other "niche" weapons should be made stronger within their niches. All weapons should have a "competitive sweet spot" in which they excel. @Miguel lol, you're funny Oh, and I too belong to the MD Master Race, I'd quiet down if I were a member of any of the other diluted soda race, you might end up sent to the gulags like those dirty Mr Pibb drinkers. Jawohl Mein Dew
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 408	Posted - 2013.06.26 16:26:00 - [4] - Quote Fearless Speech wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Well, this went places. I really only intended it to be a vehicle for an OPinion and to provide some entertainment (I'd call that an OP success). I agree though, it isn't that the AR should be nerfed, though the other "niche" weapons should be made stronger within their niches. All weapons should have a "competitive sweet spot" in which they excel. @Miguel lol, you're funny Oh, and I too belong to the MD Master Race, I'd quiet down if I were a member of any of the other diluted soda race, you might end up sent to the gulags like those dirty Mr Pibb drinkers. Jawohl Mein Dew It kind of confuses me that LR, AR and SCR are in different skill trees. I feel like all of these weapons are flavors of the same idea, and I really doubt my personal capacity to reload a clip fed weapon changes because of the amo in the box. Have you noticed how similar SCR and AR reload animations are? Similarly, scrambler pistol and flaylock seem rather close. A rework on this might be hard to balance (ex: heavy suit users wouldn't obviously get a help here, and they already kinda suffer on this front as has been pointed out in the comando discussion thread). In general, I really like the idea of skilling into what you want to do, and the importance of making good decisions with SP. But... this seems a little fine tuned. And grouping a few weapons together would add a little flexibility that might help with player retention (today I want to do y instead of x). Mountain Dew is the Word, the Truth, and the Light. Suffer not the unbeliever to live. My wonder is if the Combat Rifle, Gauss Rifle and Scrambler Rifle are going to get the same selection of skills as the Assault Rifle. Will there be Combat Rifle Sharpshooter, Gauss Rifle Sharpshooter and why isn't there Scrambler Rifle Sharpshooter (sorry if there is, I haven't noticed, I don't usually use the AR variants and won't until the Combat Rifle is released)? If they are the other racial variants of the Assault Rifle, why don't they have the same depth of skill? And Mountain Dew defeated Mellow Yellow that day, scattering the defeated drinkers of that foul brew among the four winds. --1Dew 13:37
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 409	Posted - 2013.06.26 17:59:00 - [5] - Quote Deranged Disaster wrote: Threads like these are the reason dropships are completely useless and logistics LAVs endure more than HAVs. Where (in this thread) have I stated that the AR needs nerfed? I haven't, I have only lobbied for the other weapons to be given the same amount of power within their niche. You clearly only read the Title and then knee-jerk posted. lol.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 409	Posted - 2013.06.26 18:18:00 - [6] - Quote Chinduko wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How about it is not overpowered but... it is where it belongs? For those that are unable to realize the true meaning of the statement "The AR is OP" Let me clarify, the AR is OP relative to the other guns in Dust. This is what makes it OP, its relative greater effectiveness to the much less effectiveness of other weapons. The AR may very well be as CCP intended, highly effective, but since it is far more effective than other weapons, players are likely to see it as OP since the other weapons have a much greater difficulty fending off assault rifles than assault rifles have fending off other weapons. Regardless of semantics, the weapons are not balanced. Chinduko gets it. Why can't so many others get it too? I guess they are just too afraid that their precious crutch will be nerfed. I regularly run some of the most situational weapons in the game and I have fun with it. I may not always perform the greatest, but I have fun (usually). IMHO, CCP really needs to (if they haven't already done so internally) come up with some form of 1-100 rating scale for all weapons where ARs are 50's across the board and the other weapons all fall into a place where their total score averages out to 50.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 409	Posted - 2013.06.26 18:47:00 - [7] - Quote Pandora Mars wrote: AR are still useful, CCP! Do something, for God sake! Nerf everything to the point of derpships, MD and LR! That will bring balance and fun! YAM Knee-jerk poster.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 411	Posted - 2013.06.26 19:00:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Take the AR out of the game, what's the best weapon in the game? Now put the AR back, what's the best weapon in the game now? I wonder what would happen if CCP did do that, I wonder what everyone (that didn't uninstall and flood the forums with tears) would switch to. Might be an interesting social experiment.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 416	Posted - 2013.06.26 20:55:00 - [9] - Quote The only problem I have with the rock-paper-scissors method is that it doesn't really help the way I'm seeing it. The "if A then B else C" will lead to everyone running A, B or C. Actually having hard numbers for each weapon and being able to numerically balance all things to an appropriate average would be better in the long run IMHO. I do plan on giving a more indepth response to you Fearless Speech, I just don't have the time right now.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 421	Posted - 2013.06.26 22:56:00 - [10] - Quote Relyt R wrote: OP is like a reverse PDIGGY I just noticed this, IDK if it is a compliment or an insult.