I just explaining the reason why people gets kill by AR's more often than any other weapon.. no Nerfing or "Buffing" is going to change that. You can buff every other weapon as much as you like, people will still prefer the Assault Riffle.

The AR toting masses are about 70% of Dust 514 population... go a head, make the AR unuseful, i will come back to laugh at your faces when the player base drops bellow 1000. You can't force people to use the Weapon YOU like, like it or not the AR is a popular weapon in ALL FPS games.

I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

Sorry forgot to mention that I was also making a bacon sandwich at the time so it might not have been the sofa that was OP

Also, don't be ridiculous, coke is never UP.

Well, this went places. I really only intended it to be a vehicle for an OPinion and to provide some entertainment (I'd call that an OP success).

I agree though, it isn't that the AR should be nerfed, though the other "niche" weapons should be made stronger within their niches. All weapons should have a "competitive sweet spot" in which they excel.

@Miguel
lol, you're funny

Oh, and I too belong to the MD Master Race, I'd quiet down if I were a member of any of the other diluted soda race, you might end up sent to the gulags like those dirty Mr Pibb drinkers.

Jawohl Mein Dew

It kind of confuses me that LR, AR and SCR are in different skill trees. I feel like all of these weapons are flavors of the same idea, and I really doubt my personal capacity to reload a clip fed weapon changes because of the amo in the box. Have you noticed how similar SCR and AR reload animations are? Similarly, scrambler pistol and flaylock seem rather close. A rework on this might be hard to balance (ex: heavy suit users wouldn't obviously get a help here, and they already kinda suffer on this front as has been pointed out in the comando discussion thread).

In general, I really like the idea of skilling into what you want to do, and the importance of making good decisions with SP. But... this seems a little fine tuned. And grouping a few weapons together would add a little flexibility that might help with player retention (today I want to do y instead of x).

Mountain Dew is the Word, the Truth, and the Light. Suffer not the unbeliever to live.

Lore is fluff
What adds fun and diversity is game modes, weapon variety, vehicle variety, map variety, aesthetic customization, weapon customization, vehicle customization, I could go on
And while yes lore does give a bit of a jumping off point for some of that trucks and shotguns in space are not ground breaking unique ideas CCP thought up and should be functionally similar to other games not due to a lack of ideas but because they were done right and you dont fix what isnt broken

Go back to EVE and cry to your spreadsheets

My wonder is if the Combat Rifle, Gauss Rifle and Scrambler Rifle are going to get the same selection of skills as the Assault Rifle.

Will there be Combat Rifle Sharpshooter, Gauss Rifle Sharpshooter and why isn't there Scrambler Rifle Sharpshooter (sorry if there is, I haven't noticed, I don't usually use the AR variants and won't until the Combat Rifle is released)? If they are the other racial variants of the Assault Rifle, why don't they have the same depth of skill?



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Well, this went places. I really only intended it to be a vehicle for an OPinion and to provide some entertainment (I'd call that an OP success).

I agree though, it isn't that the AR should be nerfed, though the other "niche" weapons should be made stronger within their niches. All weapons should have a "competitive sweet spot" in which they excel.

@Miguel
lol, you're funny

Oh, and I too belong to the MD Master Race, I'd quiet down if I were a member of any of the other diluted soda race, you might end up sent to the gulags like those dirty Mr Pibb drinkers.

Jawohl Mein Dew

How about it is not overpowered but... it is where it belongs?

Threads like these are the reason dropships are completely useless and logistics LAVs endure more than HAVs.

I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

How about it is not overpowered but... it is where it belongs?

For those that are unable to realize the true meaning of the statement "The AR is OP"

Let me clarify, the AR is OP relative to the other guns in Dust. This is what makes it OP, its relative greater effectiveness to the much less effectiveness of other weapons.

The AR may very well be as CCP intended, highly effective, but since it is far more effective than other weapons, players are likely to see it as OP since the other weapons have a much greater difficulty fending off assault rifles than assault rifles have fending off other weapons. Regardless of semantics, the weapons are not balanced.

I just played a few matches using only Starter Fits. I have not spent 1 single skill point on AR. Still did ridiculously good in all of the matches I played tonight except 1.

AR is OP, Final Answer.

AR are still useful, CCP! Do something, for God sake!

Nerf everything to the point of derpships, MD and LR! That will bring balance and fun!

Take the AR out of the game, what's the best weapon in the game? Now put the AR back, what's the best weapon in the game now?

Take the AR out of the game, what's the best weapon in the game? Now put the AR back, what's the best weapon in the game now?

I wonder what would happen if CCP did do that, I wonder what everyone (that didn't uninstall and flood the forums with tears) would switch to.

Might be an interesting social experiment.

Keep nerfing the AR and breaking the game. AR actually needs a lot of buffs to make it just feel like a real weapon and not some toy. To do this other guns needs buffs as well to keep up and be real weapons. (Don't expect all guns to be equal it just won't happen and in some cases shouldn't happen.)

Don't believe me? Look at the player count.

Take the AR out of the game, what's the best weapon in the game? Now put the AR back, what's the best weapon in the game now?