I don't know if it's just terrible explosion dynamics (I've heard that's it's only a two-dimensional explosion for one) or if distance measurements are actually wrong.

My missile turrets at many times seem to be hitting close enough, but no damage is being applied. I also once took my own test to see distance measurements, so I started right next to my HAV. I backed up to 4m to see just how large my fragmented missile explosion radius is and I felt like I could almost touch my HAV if I stretched my arm out.

Really? that interesting. and if its true is a major problem, all these number from spalsh and speed make sense when they are thought about using meters but if a meter doesn't line up with our perspective of a meter in the game then that is a serious issue.

Yes, my perspective of distance in Dust is thrown out the window. Either the game itself has a faulty measurement system or just like in EVE, the game makes you lose all perspective of distance due to the scale of the ships (similarly, perhaps a NULL cannon is equal to the length of a bus while we perceive it to be no wider than the length of a car. And dropsuits are actually 2.5m tall personal mechs, but aren't considered to be real mechs in Dust )

that's kind of the thing we know what a meter is in real life or around about. and its fairly easy to look around the real world and guess to mate a pretty close approx of how many meters something is. in Dust using that same approximation things seam really skewed from our mercs perspective.

its all subjective but something deffinetly seems wrong with it when you start looking at the distance for object and see how far. away they are.

On the above tank thing though the 4 meters was prob. how far away he was from the Center of the tank not the edge i suggest doing the same thing with a person and seeing if 4 meters lines up a little better.

... is there anyway you can prove this? scientifically I mean?

CCP can we get a response on this, we are a little curious now.

Was just testing this out...
Stood 3m from an ally and the distance between us was less that the height of a drop suit.
Rounding could factor into this but still... I guess drop suits are more than 9ft tall.

You are assuming "m" is for meter and not for a different unit of measure that may be unique to EVE universe.

DUST's low FOV could be a factor and skew things quite a lot; but a Dev response would definitely be appreciated.

I play eve they use meters

Now we must assume that EVE defines a meter the way we do on Earth. Seeing that the humans of EVE have not been Earth, we have to assume they define the meter differently. Why? Because the meter is derived from a meridian. A meter being 1/10000000 of a meridian, which is the distance from the north pole to the equator. Without an Earth, the definition cannot be the same.

This notion also makes a fair number of assumptions. We know that on each colony as started civilization over, we do not know how far back. Also, that the unit of measure is shared by all four civilizations are currently agreeing on this unit of measure, which begs the question "Did the unit really survive in all four civilizations? Or did they agree to a new unit of measure and they all agreed to call it a meter in honor of a legendary unit which they cannot explain?"

It is likely the unit survive, if we examine a few historical facts. If all of the civilizations reemerged in the same period, and we assume they all shared the same advancements at the same rate we must assume they were using the same units of measure. Thus aspects of the units must also be the same, explaining that the meter remains unchanged. Then this also makes the assumption that all four civilizations are using a system of measures based on a unit that is derived from a planet in a galaxy that is no longer relevent to them. The sentimentality, is heartwarming. As if they use the meter because it is all they have left of a world they may never know again.

There is only 1 thing I love more than fantasy lore, and that is scientific lore.

Erm.. Just saying your demands are based on your own assumptions and conjectures. I am saying that I did my best to follow you, but I ran into a few deadends. You are the one w/o proof.

Erm.. Just saying your demands are based on your own assumptions and conjectures. I am saying that I did my best to follow you, but I ran into a few deadends. You are the one w/o proof.

In dust 514 the discriptions for things like splash damage and running speed are counted in meters, for exsample let's say the running speed of your minmatar scout is 8 meters per second, this sounds pretty danm good on paper but in practice its a bit diffrent as meters are treated as feet in this game making what should be a rather large speed increase marginal at best.

Explosives especily suffer from this as say a 3 meter splash radius, which on paper sounds amazing, is actually so tiny it's borderline useless.

I'm not sure what the issue is here but a change is needed to make both speedy little scouts and explosives more useful.

If you have experiance or just want to comment and want to post do so my fellow dusters!

exsuse my crappy grammar/spelling

It has come to my attention that the scale of measurement has come into question. A meter is 3.3 feet long, conveniently each floortilemon the warbarge is 3x3 feet or a square yard. Now the splash radius of grenades is 6m, so imagine the explosion reaching about 7 tiles in radius. Never happen right?

There are 2 possibilities to explain this.
1. "m" is not for meters but for some other unit of measure that is unique to the EVE universe.
2. Clones are actually 3 x the size of a regular human, so their feet are a meter in length.

Now we must assume that EVE defines a meter the way we do on Earth. Seeing that the humans of EVE have not been Earth, we have to assume they define the meter differently. Why? Because the meter is derived from a meridian. A meter being 1/10000000 of a meridian, which is the distance from the north pole to the equator. Without an Earth, the definition cannot be the same.

This notion also makes a fair number of assumptions. We know that on each colony as started civilization over, we do not know how far back. Also, that the unit of measure is shared by all four civilizations are currently agreeing on this unit of measure, which begs the question "Did the unit really survive in all four civilizations? Or did they agree to a new unit of measure and they all agreed to call it a meter in honor of a legendary unit which they cannot explain?"

It is likely the unit survive, if we examine a few historical facts. If all of the civilizations reemerged in the same period, and we assume they all shared the same advancements at the same rate we must assume they were using the same units of measure. Thus aspects of the units must also be the same, explaining that the meter remains unchanged. Then this also makes the assumption that all four civilizations are using a system of measures based on a unit that is derived from a planet in a galaxy that is no longer relevent to them. The sentimentality, is heartwarming. As if they use the meter because it is all they have left of a world they may never know again.

There is only 1 thing I love more than fantasy lore, and that is scientific lore.

Now we must assume that EVE defines a meter the way we do on Earth. Seeing that the humans of EVE have not been Earth, we have to assume they define the meter differently. Why? Because the meter is derived from a meridian. A meter being 1/10000000 of a meridian, which is the distance from the north pole to the equator. Without an Earth, the definition cannot be the same.

This notion also makes a fair number of assumptions. We know that on each colony as started civilization over, we do not know how far back. Also, that the unit of measure is shared by all four civilizations are currently agreeing on this unit of measure, which begs the question "Did the unit really survive in all four civilizations? Or did they agree to a new unit of measure and they all agreed to call it a meter in honor of a legendary unit which they cannot explain?"

It is likely the unit survive, if we examine a few historical facts. If all of the civilizations reemerged in the same period, and we assume they all shared the same advancements at the same rate we must assume they were using the same units of measure. Thus aspects of the units must also be the same, explaining that the meter remains unchanged. Then this also makes the assumption that all four civilizations are using a system of measures based on a unit that is derived from a planet in a galaxy that is no longer relevent to them. The sentimentality, is heartwarming. As if they use the meter because it is all they have left of a world they may never know again.

There is only 1 thing I love more than fantasy lore, and that is scientific lore.

Now you're just trying to get attention. xD I won't help you. Actually! I will !!!

And thus you have fallen ino mine trap brethren!

Y U NO SQUAD UP WITH ME!!?

Coincidence? I don't know what to tell ya lol it's not intentional in any case

You hate me don't you! =(

Not at all good sir I lack the capacity to hate anyone disapprove of their actions perhaps but hating someone takes too much energy on my part.

It is always sad when there is no heated debated to keep a good topic like this afloat long enough for CCP to respond. There's nothing for us players to really add here. We need a crazy person to argue that the scale in game is just fine and makes sense.

So +1 to all of you that are posting daily rambling whatever to keep this afloat.


CCP, where are you?

In dust 514 the discriptions for things like splash damage and running speed are counted in meters, for exsample let's say the running speed of your minmatar scout is 8 meters per second, this sounds pretty danm good on paper but in practice its a bit diffrent as meters are treated as feet in this game making what should be a rather large speed increase marginal at best.

Explosives especily suffer from this as say a 3 meter splash radius, which on paper sounds amazing, is actually so tiny it's borderline useless.

I'm not sure what the issue is here but a change is needed to make both speedy little scouts and explosives more useful.

If you have experiance or just want to comment and want to post do so my fellow dusters!

exsuse my crappy grammar/spelling

Bump

stop saying that!!!

I wish I didn't have to

I was away for almost 2 weeks and hoped there would be an answer here. I guess not.

I wonder if they meant to consider it to be a splash diameter instead of a splash radius.

This is actually a fairly good observation. The speed of 8m/s translates to 28 km/hr (17mph). The fastest human sprinter (Usain Bolt) runs 100m in 9.58s. This is 10.4m/s, which translates to 37 km/hr (23mph). We are pretty fast thanks to our drop suits.

The explosive damage radius seems a bit small to me, but I'm not any kind of expert. Are there any people of the military persuasion who could help us with the numbers on this?


Munch

The ranges are not realistic but they are (somewhat) balanced from a gameplay perspective. Reducing the weapon range scale allows smaller maps to feel larger. The combination of reduced range and smaller maps means foot travel is reduced and more interesting.

We know how much it sucks to have to run from spawn to the nearest objective 300m away in some matches. Imagine if everything was 1500m away or more! I'm guessing this sort of modification of scale is what lead to the abnormalities we see in game. Perhaps CCP has some good explanations for them?

I agree that it has more to do with scale. I thought the earlier posts in this (and similar) threads expressed that. Part of the problem is that this argument tends to get sidetracked with weapon range discussions.

But yeah, now I am just sad that CCP responded to this discussion since they seem to have missed the whole point. I guess it is good to know that meters are in fact meters in the game. Thought that doesn't resolve the fact that they don't feel like meters. We just need to come to terms that clones are 9 meters tall or something and this is why distances feel too short.

If that is the case and as intended then fine. All I'm asking is that CCP let players know "hey, you are a giant".

I agree that it has more to do with scale. I thought the earlier posts in this (and similar) threads expressed that. Part of the problem is that this argument tends to get sidetracked with weapon range discussions.

But yeah, now I am just sad that CCP responded to this discussion since they seem to have missed the whole point. I guess it is good to know that meters are in fact meters in the game. Thought that doesn't resolve the fact that they don't feel like meters. We just need to come to terms that

I'd justclones are 9 meters tall or something and this is why distances feel too short.

If that is the case and as intended then fine. All I'm asking is that CCP let players know "hey, you are a giant".