DUST Search - (request) making meters meters

Severance Pay wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

Severance Pay wrote:

Ser Chard wrote:

Was just testing this out...
Stood 3m from an ally and the distance between us was less that the height of a drop suit.
Rounding could factor into this but still... I guess drop suits are more than 9ft tall.

You are assuming "m" is for meter and not for a different unit of measure that may be unique to EVE universe.

I play eve they use meters

Now we must assume that EVE defines a meter the way we do on Earth. Seeing that the humans of EVE have not been Earth, we have to assume they define the meter differently. Why? Because the meter is derived from a meridian. A meter being 1/10000000 of a meridian, which is the distance from the north pole to the equator. Without an Earth, the definition cannot be the same.

This notion also makes a fair number of assumptions. We know that on each colony as started civilization over, we do not know how far back. Also, that the unit of measure is shared by all four civilizations are currently agreeing on this unit of measure, which begs the question "Did the unit really survive in all four civilizations? Or did they agree to a new unit of measure and they all agreed to call it a meter in honor of a legendary unit which they cannot explain?"

It is likely the unit survive, if we examine a few historical facts. If all of the civilizations reemerged in the same period, and we assume they all shared the same advancements at the same rate we must assume they were using the same units of measure. Thus aspects of the units must also be the same, explaining that the meter remains unchanged. Then this also makes the assumption that all four civilizations are using a system of measures based on a unit that is derived from a planet in a galaxy that is no longer relevent to them. The sentimentality, is heartwarming. As if they use the meter because it is all they have left of a world they may never know again.

There is only 1 thing I love more than fantasy lore, and that is scientific lore.

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Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1687	Posted - 2013.06.14 20:08:00 - [31] - Quote (Looks at current MD blast radius) +1
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 822	Posted - 2013.06.14 20:16:00 - [32] - Quote Bump for dat blue tag.
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 371	Posted - 2013.06.14 20:26:00 - [33] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Ser Chard wrote: Was just testing this out... Stood 3m from an ally and the distance between us was less that the height of a drop suit. Rounding could factor into this but still... I guess drop suits are more than 9ft tall. You are assuming "m" is for meter and not for a different unit of measure that may be unique to EVE universe. I play eve they use meters Now we must assume that EVE defines a meter the way we do on Earth. Seeing that the humans of EVE have not been Earth, we have to assume they define the meter differently. Why? Because the meter is derived from a meridian. A meter being 1/10000000 of a meridian, which is the distance from the north pole to the equator. Without an Earth, the definition cannot be the same.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 223	Posted - 2013.06.14 21:23:00 - [34] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Ser Chard wrote: Was just testing this out... Stood 3m from an ally and the distance between us was less that the height of a drop suit. Rounding could factor into this but still... I guess drop suits are more than 9ft tall. You are assuming "m" is for meter and not for a different unit of measure that may be unique to EVE universe. I play eve they use meters Now we must assume that EVE defines a meter the way we do on Earth. Seeing that the humans of EVE have not been Earth, we have to assume they define the meter differently. Why? Because the meter is derived from a meridian. A meter being 1/10000000 of a meridian, which is the distance from the north pole to the equator. Without an Earth, the definition cannot be the same. This notion also makes a fair number of assumptions. We know that on each colony as started civilization over, we do not know how far back. Also, that the unit of measure is shared by all four civilizations are currently agreeing on this unit of measure, which begs the question "Did the unit really survive in all four civilizations? Or did they agree to a new unit of measure and they all agreed to call it a meter in honor of a legendary unit which they cannot explain?" It is likely the unit survive, if we examine a few historical facts. If all of the civilizations reemerged in the same period, and we assume they all shared the same advancements at the same rate we must assume they were using the same units of measure. Thus aspects of the units must also be the same, explaining that the meter remains unchanged. Then this also makes the assumption that all four civilizations are using a system of measures based on a unit that is derived from a planet in a galaxy that is no longer relevent to them. The sentimentality, is heartwarming. As if they use the meter because it is all they have left of a world they may never know again. There is only 1 thing I love more than fantasy lore, and that is scientific lore. Bring me solid proof and I shall retract and apologize (for) my request
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 372	Posted - 2013.06.14 21:33:00 - [35] - Quote Erm.. Just saying your demands are based on your own assumptions and conjectures. I am saying that I did my best to follow you, but I ran into a few deadends. You are the one w/o proof.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 223	Posted - 2013.06.14 21:51:00 - [36] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Erm.. Just saying your demands are based on your own assumptions and conjectures. I am saying that I did my best to follow you, but I ran into a few deadends. You are the one w/o proof. Indeed these are based off my own presumption, opinions, experiance,and observations I apologize for any confusion and or any offences you may have taken, I wish only to improve dust's gameplay and insulting any was not my intention.
BF3 Noob Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.14 23:06:00 - [37] - Quote Even if CCP says that a New Eden meter is not the same as a real life meter and this is intentional, they don't put any effort into explaining this to players. I think I recal a few players reading that clones were very tall from the book series, but that doesn't help the rest of us. Especially the people who try the game that don't know anything about the game world. CCP needs to get those people to like the game first and get into the background stuff later (if they want). But anyone who isn't a super New Eden nerd is just going to think the scale is off and assume CCP did a bad job making the game. "LOL, WTF? I'm 10 feet tall?"
S Park Finner BetaMax. CRONOS. 145	Posted - 2013.06.15 00:10:00 - [38] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Erm.. Just saying your demands are based on your own assumptions and conjectures. I am saying that I did my best to follow you, but I ran into a few deadends. You are the one w/o proof. I respect your position on the arbitrary nature of measurements and the difficulty people have verifying them in video games. I even posted, only half as a joke, an alternative measurement scheme. But I believe the original poster's two points -- that confusion over the nature of game measurements and expectations about the behaviour of items in the game that grow out of that confusion -- are legitimate concerns that could use clarification from CCP. Perhaps when CCP Shanghai gets in gear after the holiday they'll catch this thread and give us some answers.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 226	Posted - 2013.06.15 05:05:00 - [39] - Quote Bump
Encharrion L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 107	Posted - 2013.06.15 05:47:00 - [40] - Quote This, absolutely this. We should be able to read the stats on a weapon and then be able to guess the approximate distance; we can't do this if meters are some arbitrary distance not approximate to what one would expect a meter to be in game.

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 227	Posted - 2013.06.15 12:11:00 - [41] - Quote thanks for your support so far yall, still waiting for the blue!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 227	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:27:00 - [42] - Quote only way for something to get looked at is to have support let's do it dusters!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 229	Posted - 2013.06.16 18:46:00 - [43] - Quote Yup I'm still pushing
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 229	Posted - 2013.06.17 01:44:00 - [44] - Quote Bump
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 231	Posted - 2013.06.17 01:53:00 - [45] - Quote I've noticed this because any time you are hit by an LAV the distance says 3 meters. Seems like from a bumper to the driver seat should be quite a bit less than 3 meters. Maybe it is simply reduced to make up for the small environment sizes.
IrishWebster Algintal Core Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.06.17 05:37:00 - [46] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: In dust 514 the discriptions for things like splash damage and running speed are counted in meters, for exsample let's say the running speed of your minmatar scout is 8 meters per second, this sounds pretty danm good on paper but in practice its a bit diffrent as meters are treated as feet in this game making what should be a rather large speed increase marginal at best. Explosives especily suffer from this as say a 3 meter splash radius, which on paper sounds amazing, is actually so tiny it's borderline useless. I'm not sure what the issue is here but a change is needed to make both speedy little scouts and explosives more useful. If you have experiance or just want to comment and want to post do so my fellow dusters! exsuse my crappy grammar/spelling I was actually just talking about this with a few new friends of mine this evening as it pertains to sniping. Distances are wrong. They just are. I've hit some kills at what is REALLY over 800m, but the game says 300m or so. I know what these distances look like through a combat optic in real life- DUST isn't doing them due justice. 100% agree.
IrishWebster Algintal Core Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.06.17 05:41:00 - [47] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: It has come to my attention that the scale of measurement has come into question. A meter is 3.3 feet long, conveniently each floortilemon the warbarge is 3x3 feet or a square yard. Now the splash radius of grenades is 6m, so imagine the explosion reaching about 7 tiles in radius. Never happen right? There are 2 possibilities to explain this. 1. "m" is not for meters but for some other unit of measure that is unique to the EVE universe. 2. Clones are actually 3 x the size of a regular human, so their feet are a meter in length. For one... whoa, imagination. WHOA. Say no to shrooms. Second, well... a meter is not 3.3 feet. It is 3 feet 3 inches... which comes in at exactly 3.25 feet. Believe me, at range, the difference is quite large. Damn... why do I know this? I'm an American. We're only supposed to use the imperial system. O.O.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 232	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:36:00 - [48] - Quote Minja bump
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 232	Posted - 2013.06.18 04:34:00 - [49] - Quote Another minja bump
IrishWebster Algintal Core Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.06.18 05:01:00 - [50] - Quote **** it. This needs to be addressed. ^Bump.

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 234	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:57:00 - [51] - Quote Bump
Dustin Peril Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.06.19 04:13:00 - [52] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year Insane Infantry Push Amazing Night Battle Night to Day Canyon Battle Intense Field Battle Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Factions Explained
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 237	Posted - 2013.06.19 10:21:00 - [53] - Quote And so the bumps begin anew
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 673	Posted - 2013.06.19 11:20:00 - [54] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Now we must assume that EVE defines a meter the way we do on Earth. Seeing that the humans of EVE have not been Earth, we have to assume they define the meter differently. Why? Because the meter is derived from a meridian. A meter being 1/10000000 of a meridian, which is the distance from the north pole to the equator. Without an Earth, the definition cannot be the same. This notion also makes a fair number of assumptions. We know that on each colony as started civilization over, we do not know how far back. Also, that the unit of measure is shared by all four civilizations are currently agreeing on this unit of measure, which begs the question "Did the unit really survive in all four civilizations? Or did they agree to a new unit of measure and they all agreed to call it a meter in honor of a legendary unit which they cannot explain?" It is likely the unit survive, if we examine a few historical facts. If all of the civilizations reemerged in the same period, and we assume they all shared the same advancements at the same rate we must assume they were using the same units of measure. Thus aspects of the units must also be the same, explaining that the meter remains unchanged. Then this also makes the assumption that all four civilizations are using a system of measures based on a unit that is derived from a planet in a galaxy that is no longer relevent to them. The sentimentality, is heartwarming. As if they use the meter because it is all they have left of a world they may never know again. There is only 1 thing I love more than fantasy lore, and that is scientific lore. This is incorrect now, it originally was suppposed to be that. The current Meter is the distance light travels in a vacuum in 1/299,792.458 of a second (Which 299792458 meters/second is the speed of light) But your point is valid, the fact that a meter has changed in definition could lead to the same reasoning why EVE meters are different. However I don't want real meters in the game because the distances weapons can shoot would be even more depressing. How would you like your assault rifle that shoots 30 Meters?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 240	Posted - 2013.06.20 08:20:00 - [55] - Quote bumped
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 330	Posted - 2013.06.20 09:02:00 - [56] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Ser Chard wrote: Was just testing this out... Stood 3m from an ally and the distance between us was less that the height of a drop suit. Rounding could factor into this but still... I guess drop suits are more than 9ft tall. You are assuming "m" is for meter and not for a different unit of measure that may be unique to EVE universe. I play eve they use meters Now we must assume that EVE defines a meter the way we do on Earth. Seeing that the humans of EVE have not been Earth, we have to assume they define the meter differently. Why? Because the meter is derived from a meridian. A meter being 1/10000000 of a meridian, which is the distance from the north pole to the equator. Without an Earth, the definition cannot be the same. This notion also makes a fair number of assumptions. We know that on each colony as started civilization over, we do not know how far back. Also, that the unit of measure is shared by all four civilizations are currently agreeing on this unit of measure, which begs the question "Did the unit really survive in all four civilizations? Or did they agree to a new unit of measure and they all agreed to call it a meter in honor of a legendary unit which they cannot explain?" It is likely the unit survive, if we examine a few historical facts. If all of the civilizations reemerged in the same period, and we assume they all shared the same advancements at the same rate we must assume they were using the same units of measure. Thus aspects of the units must also be the same, explaining that the meter remains unchanged. Then this also makes the assumption that all four civilizations are using a system of measures based on a unit that is derived from a planet in a galaxy that is no longer relevent to them. The sentimentality, is heartwarming. As if they use the meter because it is all they have left of a world they may never know again. There is only 1 thing I love more than fantasy lore, and that is scientific lore. "The metre is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1Güä299,792,458 of a second." This is the current definition of metre. Also, meridians are not the distance between the north pole and the equator. We are talking of broken game features, not of the evolution of fake in-game civilizations. The fact is: this is a GAME played on EARTH in the 21th century and in game meters are broken.
FroO Bg SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:36:00 - [57] - Quote Shut up Sinboto! Just kidding. I agree with you, they gotta fiix this and make it real on the gameplay.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 524	Posted - 2013.06.20 20:34:00 - [58] - Quote Still interested in getting a response from CCP. This is annoying in game.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 250	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:27:00 - [59] - Quote Bump
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 254	Posted - 2013.06.21 19:11:00 - [60] - Quote So difficult to get these things looked at :(



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