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Sinboto Simmons
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:22:00 -
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In dust 514 the discriptions for things like splash damage and running speed are counted in meters, for exsample let's say the running speed of your minmatar scout is 8 meters per second, this sounds pretty danm goodbon paper but in practice its a bit diffrent as meters are treated as feet in this game making what should be a rather large speed increase marginal at best.
Explosives especily suffer from this as say a 3 meter splash radius, which on paper sounds amazing, is actually so tiny it's borderline useless.
I'm not sure what the issue is here but a change is needed to make both speedy little scouts and explosives more useful.
If you have experiance or just want to comment and want to post do so my fellow dusters!
exsuse my crappy grammar/spelling |
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:55:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Ops Fox wrote:Harpyja wrote:I don't know if it's just terrible explosion dynamics (I've heard that's it's only a two-dimensional explosion for one) or if distance measurements are actually wrong.
My missile turrets at many times seem to be hitting close enough, but no damage is being applied. I also once took my own test to see distance measurements, so I started right next to my HAV. I backed up to 4m to see just how large my fragmented missile explosion radius is and I felt like I could almost touch my HAV if I stretched my arm out. Really? that interesting. and if its true is a major problem, all these number from spalsh and speed make sense when they are thought about using meters but if a meter doesn't line up with our perspective of a meter in the game then that is a serious issue. Yes, my perspective of distance in Dust is thrown out the window. Either the game itself has a faulty measurement system or just like in EVE, the game makes you lose all perspective of distance due to the scale of the ships (similarly, perhaps a NULL cannon is equal to the length of a bus while we perceive it to be no wider than the length of a car. And dropsuits are actually 2.5m tall personal mechs, but aren't considered to be real mechs in Dust ) do you think that's it? |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:55:00 -
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bump before i sleep ^-^ |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:48:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:CCP can we get a response on this, we are a little curious now. ^this would like to see da blue |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 23:01:00 -
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bump |
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Posted - 2013.06.14 14:52:00 -
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:36:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Ser Chard wrote:Was just testing this out... Stood 3m from an ally and the distance between us was less that the height of a drop suit. Rounding could factor into this but still... I guess drop suits are more than 9ft tall. You are assuming "m" is for meter and not for a different unit of measure that may be unique to EVE universe. I play eve they use meters |
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Posted - 2013.06.14 21:23:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Severance Pay wrote:Ser Chard wrote:Was just testing this out... Stood 3m from an ally and the distance between us was less that the height of a drop suit. Rounding could factor into this but still... I guess drop suits are more than 9ft tall. You are assuming "m" is for meter and not for a different unit of measure that may be unique to EVE universe. I play eve they use meters Now we must assume that EVE defines a meter the way we do on Earth. Seeing that the humans of EVE have not been Earth, we have to assume they define the meter differently. Why? Because the meter is derived from a meridian. A meter being 1/10000000 of a meridian, which is the distance from the north pole to the equator. Without an Earth, the definition cannot be the same. This notion also makes a fair number of assumptions. We know that on each colony as started civilization over, we do not know how far back. Also, that the unit of measure is shared by all four civilizations are currently agreeing on this unit of measure, which begs the question "Did the unit really survive in all four civilizations? Or did they agree to a new unit of measure and they all agreed to call it a meter in honor of a legendary unit which they cannot explain?" It is likely the unit survive, if we examine a few historical facts. If all of the civilizations reemerged in the same period, and we assume they all shared the same advancements at the same rate we must assume they were using the same units of measure. Thus aspects of the units must also be the same, explaining that the meter remains unchanged. Then this also makes the assumption that all four civilizations are using a system of measures based on a unit that is derived from a planet in a galaxy that is no longer relevent to them. The sentimentality, is heartwarming. As if they use the meter because it is all they have left of a world they may never know again. There is only 1 thing I love more than fantasy lore, and that is scientific lore. Bring me solid proof and I shall retract and apologize (for) my request |
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Posted - 2013.06.14 21:51:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Erm.. Just saying your demands are based on your own assumptions and conjectures. I am saying that I did my best to follow you, but I ran into a few deadends. You are the one w/o proof. Indeed these are based off my own presumption, opinions, experiance,and observations I apologize for any confusion and or any offences you may have taken, I wish only to improve dust's gameplay and insulting any was not my intention. |
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Posted - 2013.06.15 05:05:00 -
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Bump |
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Posted - 2013.06.15 12:11:00 -
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thanks for your support so far yall, still waiting for the blue! |
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:27:00 -
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only way for something to get looked at is to have support let's do it dusters! |
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:46:00 -
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Yup I'm still pushing |
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Posted - 2013.06.17 01:44:00 -
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Bump |
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:36:00 -
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Minja bump
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:34:00 -
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Another minja bump |
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:57:00 -
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Bump |
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Posted - 2013.06.19 10:21:00 -
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And so the bumps begin anew |
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:20:00 -
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bumped |
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Posted - 2013.06.21 04:27:00 -
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:11:00 -
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So difficult to get these things looked at :( |
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:00:00 -
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FroO Bg wrote:Now you're just trying to get attention. xD I won't help you. Actually! I will !!! And thus you have fallen ino mine trap brethren! |
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:47:00 -
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FroO Bg wrote:Y U NO SQUAD UP WITH ME!!? Coincidence? I don't know what to tell ya lol it's not intentional in any case |
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Posted - 2013.06.22 20:27:00 -
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FroO Bg wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:FroO Bg wrote:Y U NO SQUAD UP WITH ME!!? Coincidence? I don't know what to tell ya lol it's not intentional in any case You hate me don't you! =( Not at all good sir I lack the capacity to hate anyone disapprove of their actions perhaps but hating someone takes too much energy on my part. |
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Posted - 2013.06.24 11:19:00 -
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Indeed my good man |
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:57:00 -
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Moonracer2000 wrote:It is always sad when there is no heated debated to keep a good topic like this afloat long enough for CCP to respond. There's nothing for us players to really add here. We need a crazy person to argue that the scale in game is just fine and makes sense.
So +1 to all of you that are posting daily rambling whatever to keep this afloat.
CCP, where are you? Unfortunately I find unless it's something easily answered,or a joke thread that I'll usually get no responses from ccp.
Likewise unless it's something that greatly effects assault players in a posotive/negitive way, or is a troll thread I'd pretty much get the same reaction from my fellow dusters unless they decide to troll the thread. |
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Posted - 2013.06.25 10:41:00 -
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Posted - 2013.06.26 02:42:00 -
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:29:00 -
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:22:00 -
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Posted - 2013.06.29 07:24:00 -
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Posted - 2013.06.30 13:40:00 -
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Posted - 2013.06.30 14:34:00 -
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FroO Bg wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Bump stop saying that!!! I wish I didn't have to |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 09:54:00 -
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:45:00 -
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Moonracer2000 wrote:I was away for almost 2 weeks and hoped there would be an answer here. I guess not. You and me both |
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:42:00 -
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Clyffton Donovan wrote:I wonder if they meant to consider it to be a splash diameter instead of a splash radius. I've no idea, if that's the case there's no way to gell and I've no dev response in this thread just yet |
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Posted - 2013.07.08 21:24:00 -
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Forgot to bump this so......bump |
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:52:00 -
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:13:00 -
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Posted - 2013.07.15 02:40:00 -
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Posted - 2013.07.16 00:55:00 -
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Moonracer2000 wrote:The ranges are not realistic but they are (somewhat) balanced from a gameplay perspective. Reducing the weapon range scale allows smaller maps to feel larger. The combination of reduced range and smaller maps means foot travel is reduced and more interesting.
We know how much it sucks to have to run from spawn to the nearest objective 300m away in some matches. Imagine if everything was 1500m away or more! I'm guessing this sort of modification of scale is what lead to the abnormalities we see in game. Perhaps CCP has some good explanations for them?
If they've explanations I've yet to come cross them.
Hopefully if this gets fixed we'll become faster as well to compensate |
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:21:00 -
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