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How is it balanced when it takes 3 players (with AV) to kill one player (in a HAV)? How does this not lead to everyone rolling around in tanks?


You assume that everyone would run to tanks if it takes 3 ppl to take it down, considering it takes millions of SP to get a fully fitted HAV you can skill up AV in half the time instead and kill them

If you make a 4man HAV then should it take 4 AV to take it down? maybe even more AV because it gets defensive bonuses

You cant balance it with players when a 3man HAV is the same when its just the driver

The balance is currently 2-3 std to take down a std tank and it will continue to be this way until we get adv/proto vehicles and also some basic changes done

We need everything in before we can change what we have

We don't have ADV tanks.

I don't think CCP will ever give us prototype tanks. Since at most it will give us an low slot on shield tanks or an extra high slot on armor tanks and an increase in powergrid CPU armor and shields.

What we need are better modules. The modules are what makes the tank . You can put a madrugar on the field with no modules and die in moments.Put a soma on the field with modules and you can easily out live the madrugar

right now modules stop at level 3

.25 for an active hardener imagine if it was .35 or even .40 instead of 414 every second for 15 second what if it was 522 or even near 600

Ive mentioned modules

Compared to dropsuit mods they go upto lvl 5 and are basic/adv/proto where as vehicles are lvl 1-3 and are just basic and then a bit better

As for the tanks i suspect it maybe like the sagari and surya, 1 extra slot in a secondary area which tends to be useless

I would like with adv to have at least 1 extra slot for BOTH high and low slots and then the same again for proto or even maybe 2 extra because you can have a basic dropsuit being 2h/2L and get a proto suit with 5h/4L

If its anything like the enforcers then we are screwed because they claim to be advanced by they have what the slot layout of basic+ but the CPU/PG of a milita tank

You want 9 slot proto hulls? How about 5 slot proto hulls? If PG/CPU gets fixed, a 9 slot proto hull tank, I'm pretty sure, would be nearly, if not completely, immune to infantry based AV.

5 slot proto hulls are milita hulls

Basic are 7

Enforcer/sagaris/surya are 8slot hulls but the slots are in the wrong places and also the PG/CPU increases are meh

9slot hull should be advanced at least, 1 slot extra per high and low so it would be 3h/6l and then proto 4h/7l with PG/CPU increases for it to be useful

I stand corrected.

However, while I agree HAVs should be useful, and they are, and I agree that they need a PG/CPU fix, I think HAVs should have to balance between tank and gank. To be able to fit the best of both would probably make them too strong and subject to nerf hammering.

I wish I had 8 slots. LOL

Keep in mind we only have HANDHELD av and weak proximity mines in here atm (not including other tanks and basic installations). Custom large installations and more av vehicles should be coming.

Also, this "rock paper scissors" thing is also flawed, because AV users are also infantry at the same time, not dedicated AV. Handheld AV should not directly counter heavy tanks and ruin its day. Dedicated AV emplacements, AV mines, etc should directly counter heavy tanks and ruin its day.

EDIT: Also, proximity mines need a large buff

Yeah because you know my SMG is just so terrifyingly effective for close encounters right? It's not like I can use my SMG and FG akimbo.

I only agree with you as far as AV Grenades, well maybe proximity mines too, but I have no experience using them. But SWARMS should make a HAV jock cautious, and the Forge should make a HAV jock sweat.

Dont worry use the new command suit of whatever

Heavy suit , duvolle in 1 slot swarms in the other

I see the dropsuits have proto with big slot increases but yet again infantry says vehicles cant have the same because they would be too strong' or 'be able to fit tank and gank' like some dropsuits can already do

Always the same, infantry get everything vehicle users get nothing

We need and deserve proper advanced/proto vehicles and if it turns on out my basic slot estimation on them is right then great, if its not then i expect for some damn good passive skills on the tanks to be useful because we need tanks that can stand up to these proto AV weapons which dish out more damage than out turrets can ever do

Tank and gank? You're obviously talking about assault suits.

I'm not disagreeing that HAV jocks should get advanced and proto vehicles. I just don't think it should make dedicated infantry based AV useless VS the HAV which is what Heavy/Forge is for at the moment. I don't use SWARMS. I personally don't like them. I prefer the challenge of aiming my shots. Besides, SWARMS are much more effective on assault drop suits than on heavies.

But AV is a specialization is it not? some players go AV all day everyday and love wrecking vehicles

Same with AR tryhards and vehicle users

Why should vehicle users get ****** over yet again? why should AV have it so eazy?

In PC ther will be proto vehicles fighting each other with proto AV around also

In pub matches i dont care if the entire team only has milita AV against my 10mil ISK proto HAV, tough luck its a pub match you roll the dice and you get randoms its PC where it counts

Yeah, AV has it so easy. OHK buy front bumper of LAV, HAV tread, large Rail Turrets, and death in less than three seconds by large Blaster Turrets and large Missile Turrets.

And I'm sure it has been mentioned more than once, even by some of your fellow HAV jocks, that where Forge AV is concerned HAVs move five times faster than a heavy and have ten times the HP. Not to mention the infantry heavy being equally vulnerable to all battlefield threats where a HAV isn't.

Yes vehicles love killing infantry whether or not it's AV. So on the inverse, if you take your 10mil ISK vehicle into a pub match and it gets wrecked, tough luck. You roll the dice and take your risks.

Just remember that with all the weapons out there, the only threat to your beloved vehicles is Infantry AV and another HAV. That means that of all the weapons available, your HAV is vulnerable to less than 30% of them. Must be nice as the only two don't affect me are SWARM and AV Grenades. Not sure if proximity mines detonate on infantry.

Yeah, AV has it so easy. OHK buy front bumper of LAV, HAV tread, large Rail Turrets, and death in less than three seconds by large Blaster Turrets and large Missile Turrets.

And I'm sure it has been mentioned more than once, even by some of your fellow HAV jocks, that where Forge AV is concerned HAVs move five times faster than a heavy and have ten times the HP. Not to mention the infantry heavy being equally vulnerable to all battlefield threats where a HAV isn't.

Yes vehicles love killing infantry whether or not it's AV. So on the inverse, if you take your 10mil ISK vehicle into a pub match and it gets wrecked, tough luck. You roll the dice and take your risks.

Just remember that with all the weapons out there, the only threat to your beloved vehicles is Infantry AV and another HAV. That means that of all the weapons available, your HAV is vulnerable to less than 30% of them. Must be nice as the only two don't affect me are SWARM and AV Grenades. Not sure if proximity mines detonate on infantry.

Going to ask this here before I make a bug report or start searching the bug section.

Well my question is thus I have a vehicle using alt when driving in a LAV all my modules work fine, however when driving a HAV armour rep's sometimes dont activate well they do I bring the wheel up select the rep it highlights and starts the cycling however it doesn't actually do anything to repair my armour just cycles then enters cool down. Is this a known issue?

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You want 9 slot proto hulls? How about 5 slot proto hulls? If PG/CPU gets fixed, a 9 slot proto hull tank, I'm pretty sure, would be nearly, if not completely, immune to infantry based AV.

EDIT: Vehicle recall - It is getting abused a little

Example - HAV getting whacked by an enemy, he jumps out and manages to recall it saving it

2 problems here for me

1. If the vehicle is getting whacked by an enemy and the enemy is causing damage you shouldnt be able to recall it till maybe 30secs after the last bit of damage - It stops players hopping out and instantly recalling it

2. If the vehicle is below 30% of its total HP it cannot be recalled - This gives the attacking AV or vehicle a chance to kill the vehicle and it stops johnny from nipping out and doing a 5sec button press to instantly recall it before its about to die


Now this would be ideal with squad lock and the ability to kick players out of vehicles because atm if someone is in your tank you cannot recall it or get rid of them or prevent them from entering your tank in the 1st place

I noticed recently that when hit by a forge gun or a rail turret that the dropship hit indicator often indicates the hit from the wrong direction. To save you a read I put it into a video with gameplay, examples, freeze frames. Sit back and see the bug.

It matters because its hard in a dropship. We donGÇÖt need our equipment to lie to us.

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