Odd idea your isk reward is influenced by what u bring into the battle. So u deploy a tank you get at least half the cost back. The other half of your isk payout is based as normall. No idea what affect this would have but it would isk payouts in matches

Where is CCP Blam?

English, i've specced into Proto swarms just to see what it's like. It's scary. Specially if you are Armor tanking. I shouldn't be able to stand on one place with two nanohives and take out 4 tanks. The map with the bridge on it, i held back 4 tanks on my own, from objective "D"... The tanks could barely reach objective "E". If they push up to the bridge somehow, they had to retreat or they were put down. The damned Logi Lav did better than Madrugars. lol

the point is, it shouldn't be that way

Lack of WP - No WP except for kill assists atm, it's wrong it stops them from using MCRUs and ferry players across the battlefield

Hi guys, let me provide you guys with provide some feedback on this topic.

1. We are looking at doing re-balancing of our AV weapons. One of the topics, which also seems to be showing through on this thread is to keep a decently long enough range on the forge gun, but also look at the damage decay variable over time on it, optimal ranges, etc. Because agreed, that it is a very potent anti-vehicle weapon and it's not exactly something that is easily countered with countermeasures (see next point). We also don't want the forge gun to be nerfed to the point of feeling ineffective, so a direct reduction of damage output across the board is not going to be the simple answer there.

2. We are also want to get countermeasures in soon, as well as a lock-on warning system for players piloting vehicles that have been locked on to. The lock-on indication will be a graduated indicator so that you will have a decent idea of how imminent your time to impact is and can choose to act accordingly. Furthermore, we're also working on porting lock-on to a certain subset of turrets. This will come in helpful for dropship pilots who are engaged in dogfights, or supporting assaults against ground units.

3. As one of our immediate tasks, we want to look at how we can provide dropship pilots with more chances to earn WP. We have lots of ideas in mind, however we need to tread carefully on this one so that we're not opening up too many opportunities for exploit. Some of the ideas that are bouncing around are providing WP for players spawned into your craft, WP for use of active scanners (possibly more specialized ones), and finding a way to re-introduce WP for remote repairs without exploit.

4. We will be reducing the ISK cost of dropships so that players can get into them more easily, while also looking at the overall skill cost of this class of vehicle.

5. Lastly, we're aware of turret issues that have come up. Many of the improvements needed will require code support to fix lingering bugs as well as further flesh out existing systems. We are currently working on this as our next set of code fixes.

Just been messing around on my HAV alt, using a Madrugar with 1k shields 10% resists on them and 6.3k ish armour. Drove through a compound got 4 kills 3 assists, kept moving for fear of AV nades didn't take a hit though. Got out the other gate drove towards the furthest objective. Hears a swarm launch and activates active 20% hardener SL takes out all of shields and 1kish armour, I activate my repper as the second round lands second round takes me to just over 1k armour get behind a wall to rep last set of SL rounds does 90 degree turn and gets me behind the wall finishing me off.

What I learned from this 2mil SP into tanking is not enough 7k ish combined ehp is low. Proto SL can 3 shot a 7khp tank with 10% shield and 20% armour resists with armour repper going as well.

Might spec into proto swarms lol.

Where is CCP Blam?

Where is CCP Blam?

Just been messing around on my HAV alt, using a Madrugar with 1k shields 10% resists on them and 6.3k ish armour. Drove through a compound got 4 kills 3 assists, kept moving for fear of AV nades didn't take a hit though. Got out the other gate drove towards the furthest objective. Hears a swarm launch and activates active 20% hardener SL takes out all of shields and 1kish armour, I activate my repper as the second round lands second round takes me to just over 1k armour get behind a wall to rep last set of SL rounds does 90 degree turn and gets me behind the wall finishing me off.

What I learned from this 2mil SP into tanking is not enough 7k ish combined ehp is low. Proto SL can 3 shot a 7khp tank with 10% shield and 20% armour resists with armour repper going as well.

Might spec into proto swarms lol.

Generally we have the rock/paper and scissor scenario

On a side not, the HMG is a joke. It should absolutely destroy the gallente AR at all ranges (why is a heavy weapon a CQC weapon again? Where is the logic?). The balance of the heavy as well as the tank comes from its poor maneuverability and large hitbox/high profile. Silly AVers and assault scrubs just want their weapons and defense to be on par with us while we suffer all of our downsides.

My opinion from another thread:

Dust suffers from the same problem as Planetside 2 with their Infantry vs Armour balance.

Because both are a class based game where you can flip to anti-armour during a match you have serious problems with scaleability, especially between disorganised matches and organised matches and between 1v1 vs 4v4 vs 16v16.

In a disorganised pub-match you already have HAVs that are functionally unkillable by 2 guys with advanced launchers requiring these guys to upgrade all the way to proto to kill him. However, take that same tank into an organised match and he gets vaporised instantly due to concentrated fire from 4 guys with proto launchers. In fact that set of 4 guys can permanently deny the entire battlefield to any vehicle because all they need is a nanohive or supply depot. The Commando suit has actually exacerbated this problem by allowing people that 2-way AI & AV bet.

So now what do you do? Do you give him an insane proto tank capable of surviving in that environment? If so, he's going to be completely unkillable in a pub-match, he just deploys his Proto-God-HAV and goes 50-0. There will simply never be enough AV on the field to kill him. The two guys who go AV will eventually get sick of dying and just let him farm and stay out of his way.

You also can't solve this problem with ISK pricing because that doesn't help.

The only way to really get to the basis of this problem is to revisit the entire AV ammo vs Vehicle HP/ repair mechanic.

Vehicles repair too quickly and have too high a resistance for 1 opponents but don't have enough HP to survive lots of opponents. AV is too weak with 1 person but then scales too readily with numbers.

How do you fix this? Not easy. You could try moving the vehicle dynamic to give them a lot more HP but a lot less regen and resistance so it becomes more about attrition. A tanker will simultaneously become more aggressive yet a lot more cautious if he knows he can survive a brief encounter easily but needs to stretch his HP over the match because its difficult to repair him.

Then you adjust the AV dynamic by making missile (or forge) ammo more complicated to come by for large numbers of people. Remove missiles from supply depots, missile only nanohives with long cooldowns to force choices and stop AV units being resupplied by respawning infantry, etc etc etc.

No, A heavy machine gun should not destroy gallente assault rifle at all ranges

the regular heavy machine gun already out damages duvolles in terms of stats

if it werent for the hmgs accuracy and range and speed it would be top gun by a longshot

Your whole argument is invalid because you base it on a pub match where the other team can be drooling retards

So what if we get proto vehicles and it requires 3 proto AV to kill it? it will happen in a PC match but i dont care if it rarely happens in a pub match because the other team are tryhards with AR and wont use AV

You roll the dice when you play a pub match and if proto tanks are ther then tough but we need them and if they are tough enough to dominate in a pub match then tough