Care to explain? Not being sarcastic, I'm just that ignorant as to their utility. Like what are they used for in EVE and such?

FIX1: planetary conquest corp roles.

FIX2: the 2 minute server pick time in barge should be in lockdown so that you cannot leave unseen after inviting the party crash.


AWOX is a legitimate, enriching mechanic and should be supported. The awoxer would be much more valuable as a spy in the long term, letting them go for one match is worth it for the victim.

People are getting too caught up on kicking as a 'solution'.

The Long term, 'Best' Fix is proper roles to manage who can join PC, and Toggles for if a corp wants to allow 'ringers' in their matches or not. (Ringing honestly needs it's own contract marketplace IMO, but that is another issue/feature for later)


The only reason CCP is discussing kicking is because it's something they can implement fairly quickly. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want ANOTHER half-assed, ill thought and disruptive mechanic put into the game to 'fix' a problem that only exists because of the same reason.


To put it simply; CCP will add kicking over my QQ'ing corpse. I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any player from ever having control of the ability to kick another from any match. Of course, CCP is under no obligation to listen to me, but that's my thoughts on it. Every lobby multiplayer game I have ever played that allowed kicking, it was abused. It was not fun for anyone but the person doing the kicking. I can promise you that if a player is ever able to kick another player from the match... It will be used for far worse things than someone wasting an alt to win a match for their friends.


Just because someone has director roles doesn't mean they aren't a jerk. You could argue "Oh, they should find a new corp if their directors suck" but what if they like their corpmates, and the director is so far up the CEO's ass that he will never be punished?


Instead of getting caught up on 'fixing' the real problem by creating a different (much worse) problem, what people should be doing in this thread is exploring other methods to stop effortless sabotage that CCP can implement in the short term, that won't cause a massive headache and ruin people's fun?

'Preventing' the awox is a far more important step than 'stopping' the awox IMO. Proper role management IS coming. That fix WILL happen, but not any time in the immediate future. They need to wait for a major expansion for that. Like I said above : right now what the community should focus on is something that will make things better in the meantime without making things worse elsewhere.

I am against kicking options. Too much of a hand holder. I advocate the green light system. Only people who have been "green lighted" by a director or CEO may join. Anyone in their squad is of course pulled in green light or no. As such spies have to work to earn that trust. Instead of giving corps an oh **** button, they get management and screening tools. However once someone is on the warbarge they are there in the battle coded to the crus and that's that. I also think it'll encourage corps to put more emphasis on squad leader training and improve overall teamwork/tactical play for all corps. Spying is still viable as in-game betrayal. That's my 2isk on balance anyway.

Agreed. A role that grants access to PC is the only fix that will work.

Don't think anyone needs to go off on a tangent, and create a wall o txt to solve the issue.

- Assign roles to members allowing them to take part in PC

Then we are at least equal in that aspect.

I am against kicking options. Too much of a hand holder. I advocate the green light system. Only people who have been "green lighted" by a director or CEO may join. Anyone in their squad is of course pulled in green light or no. As such spies have to work to earn that trust. Instead of giving corps an oh **** button, they get management and screening tools. However once someone is on the warbarge they are there in the battle coded to the crus and that's that. I also think it'll encourage corps to put more emphasis on squad leader training and improve overall teamwork/tactical play for all corps. Spying is still viable as in-game betrayal. That's my 2isk on balance anyway.

Care to explain? Not being sarcastic, I'm just that ignorant as to their utility. Like what are they used for in EVE and such?

This is good system and should be considered the long term goal. Currently the oh **** button at least gives us a temporary relief to those corps that dont have EVE toons and other robust tools to help manage split organizations

This is good system and should be considered the long term goal. Currently the oh **** button at least gives us a temporary relief to those corps that dont have EVE toons and other robust tools to help manage split organizations

IWS, your reasoning is flawed.

/kick would be an option that only those IN match could do.

Unless your a director, you can't /kick

If a director wants you out of the match, that's their prerogative. Who gets to participate in PC and inter-corp relations IS metagame.

If a spai gets into the director position, and wrecks havok, that is beautiful metagame.

further, the /kick command at the level of director could be put to a vote.

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I don't want to cripple awoxing with whatever solution is finally decided upon. But I don't want it to be to easy. Maybe /kick would cripple awoxing, and that is bad.

So directors should be able to grant permission to enter battles. If you make it onto the list, you won the metagame and can now completely throw the match.

Another idea, if you want to remove a clone merc from a battle, you have to remove his conscious profile from the clone bank. Have someone of director level or higher have to complete a rather lengthy hack on the CRU. Once complete, that director can then manipulate the consciousness bank for that battlefield, removing any number of clone soldiers from the resupply list.

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so you agree with my opinion that Sloth shared, yet you say...



we don't share a single aspect other than you agreeing with my point. I don't go around spamming EVE catch phrases cuz I'm too idiotic to say anything of value. I'm done here.

You agree with my post, although you were too busy trying to troll to notice. Good job at contributing btw

IWS, your reasoning is flawed.

/kick would be an option that only those IN match could do.

Unless your a director, you can't /kick

If a director wants you out of the match, that's their prerogative. Who gets to participate in PC and inter-corp relations IS metagame.

If a spai gets into the director position, and wrecks havok, that is beautiful metagame.

further, the /kick command at the level of director could be put to a vote.

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I don't want to cripple awoxing with whatever solution is finally decided upon. But I don't want it to be to easy. Maybe /kick would cripple awoxing, and that is bad.

So directors should be able to grant permission to enter battles. If you make it onto the list, you won the metagame and can now completely throw the match.

Another idea, if you want to remove a clone merc from a battle, you have to remove his conscious profile from the clone bank. Have someone of director level or higher have to complete a rather lengthy hack on the CRU. Once complete, that director can then manipulate the consciousness bank for that battlefield, removing any number of clone soldiers from the resupply list.

Well a bit lore nerdy but here goes, In templar 1 when one of the dudes goes all crackers they simply say do not reanimate, So I think a platoon leader shouability to give roles is a must, and kicking from a game has to be one of those potential rokes able to place a DNR order on players meaning if a sabotuer is spotted they have one life to do as much damage as possible and it stops them from just spawn suiciding which just seems bloody silly surely a corp should have a safeguard against that kind of thing. Plus it means spys will actually be rewarded for being stealth and trying to sabotage a match in creative ways without being detected rather than the current look at me I am a spy woot TK for life thing we have going on at the moment. The DNR could also be exploited by the PL but seing as that is easily spotted it would mean they would only do it in high priority situations or try and do it and get away with it by talking their way out of it.

Or when an attack is launched or a defensive battle organised the CEO makes up a passcode for entry into the battle that way they can control who enter the battle but only if they have good operational security which would also mean spys would have to be more than just pressing X really fast which is a good thing.

Bottom line spying is a very valid tactic but it shouldn't be so blooming easy it should be difficult but rewarding when pulled off right.

Roles, and the ability to mark the traitor as an enemy cutting him off from the clone supply so he can't suicide over and over to his heart's content, oh, and shoot the bastard without losing WP for it.

Ironwolf, both of your examples suck you know.

In example 1 it's sad for Timmy, but in that case he should find a better corp for him since that CEO (or director or whoever that kicked him) is just dumb. If a corp doesn't have a CEO and directors that can manage the kick function properly they don't deserve to be in charge of anything. I don't see how this is a problem.

In example 2 you argue that once a player have been giving the ability to kick people from the match it's a problem that he can actually make use of that to sabotage the match? Like really? The corp shouldn't have given him the ability then. I don't see how this is a problem.

People are getting too caught up on kicking as a 'solution'.

The Long term, 'Best' Fix is proper roles to manage who can join PC, and Toggles for if a corp wants to allow 'ringers' in their matches or not. (Ringing honestly needs it's own contract marketplace IMO, but that is another issue/feature for later)


The only reason CCP is discussing kicking is because it's something they can implement fairly quickly. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want ANOTHER half-assed, ill thought and disruptive mechanic put into the game to 'fix' a problem that only exists because of the same reason.


To put it simply; CCP will add kicking over my QQ'ing corpse. I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any player from ever having control of the ability to kick another from any match. Of course, CCP is under no obligation to listen to me, but that's my thoughts on it. Every lobby multiplayer game I have ever played that allowed kicking, it was abused. It was not fun for anyone but the person doing the kicking. I can promise you that if a player is ever able to kick another player from the match... It will be used for far worse things than someone wasting an alt to win a match for their friends.


Just because someone has director roles doesn't mean they aren't a jerk. You could argue "Oh, they should find a new corp if their directors suck" but what if they like their corpmates, and the director is so far up the CEO's ass that he will never be punished?


Instead of getting caught up on 'fixing' the real problem by creating a different (much worse) problem, what people should be doing in this thread is exploring other methods to stop effortless sabotage that CCP can implement in the short term, that won't cause a massive headache and ruin people's fun?

'Preventing' the awox is a far more important step than 'stopping' the awox IMO. Proper role management IS coming. That fix WILL happen, but not any time in the immediate future. They need to wait for a major expansion for that. Like I said above : right now what the community should focus on is something that will make things better in the meantime without making things worse elsewhere.

'Preventing' the awox is a far more important step than 'stopping' the awox IMO. Proper role management IS coming. That fix WILL happen, but not any time in the immediate future. They need to wait for a major expansion for that. Like I said above : right now what the community should focus on is something that will make things better in the meantime without making things worse elsewhere.

CUT

So you have a corp with say 108 players, each one of them wants to play in a PC battle, divide that by 18 is 6 , that is 80 million times 6 is 480,000,000 million isk just to try to give everyone 1 game not to mention that if you win it will take another battle at least so say you win 1/2 that is another 240,000,000.