I wasn't implying your OP lol

I'm talking about people who'll come in here talking about EVE, and how great it is, and how DUST people should HTFU and QQ less, bla bla bla.

People should make their suggestions to the point. Have something more to add, then feel free, but add a TL;DR version below your suggestion...por favor.

Ironwolf, both of your examples suck you know.

In example 1 it's sad for Timmy, but in that case he should find a better corp for him since that CEO (or director or whoever that kicked him) is just dumb. If a corp doesn't have a CEO and directors that can manage the kick function properly they don't deserve to be in charge of anything. I don't see how this is a problem.

In example 2 you argue that once a player have been giving the ability to kick people from the match it's a problem that he can actually make use of that to sabotage the match? Like really? The corp shouldn't have given him the ability then. I don't see how this is a problem.

Example zero: CCP is already planning fixes.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=655927#post655927
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=833365#post833365

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you made no effort to put feedback or suggestions in your post.

You said 'crying' x3, 'TL;DR' x3, 'htfu' x2, and made 0 contribution. Well done.

i find it funny you mention security, when atm ceo's and directors have no tools in place to help.

I can see how a CEO in charge of of thousands of people, and can't choose who plays in PC as being ok right?

How about adding something constructive and not spam "HTFU" all over the forum like you've been doing. Kthxbai

CCP seems to disagree.

People are getting too caught up on kicking as a 'solution'.

The Long term, 'Best' Fix is proper roles to manage who can join PC, and Toggles for if a corp wants to allow 'ringers' in their matches or not. (Ringing honestly needs it's own contract marketplace IMO, but that is another issue/feature for later)


The only reason CCP is discussing kicking is because it's something they can implement fairly quickly. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want ANOTHER half-assed, ill thought and disruptive mechanic put into the game to 'fix' a problem that only exists because of the same reason.


To put it simply; CCP will add kicking over my QQ'ing corpse. I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any player from ever having control of the ability to kick another from any match. Of course, CCP is under no obligation to listen to me, but that's my thoughts on it. Every lobby multiplayer game I have ever played that allowed kicking, it was abused. It was not fun for anyone but the person doing the kicking. I can promise you that if a player is ever able to kick another player from the match... It will be used for far worse things than someone wasting an alt to win a match for their friends.


Just because someone has director roles doesn't mean they aren't a jerk. You could argue "Oh, they should find a new corp if their directors suck" but what if they like their corpmates, and the director is so far up the CEO's ass that he will never be punished?


Instead of getting caught up on 'fixing' the real problem by creating a different (much worse) problem, what people should be doing in this thread is exploring other methods to stop effortless sabotage that CCP can implement in the short term, that won't cause a massive headache and ruin people's fun?

'Preventing' the awox is a far more important step than 'stopping' the awox IMO. Proper role management IS coming. That fix WILL happen, but not any time in the immediate future. They need to wait for a major expansion for that. Like I said above : right now what the community should focus on is something that will make things better in the meantime without making things worse elsewhere.

lol "corp security"

You play a couple matches with a person and ask them some stuff, then you stick them in a feeder corp for 2 months and play more matches in the meantime.

Wow, that sure is some awesome security

But hey, at least it demonstrates patience on the spy's part

Feeder corps are the way of the future. Lets just ignore the fact that they''ll be completely useless if we ever get a role that determines PC eligibility.

Well, for one, feeder corps are lame
Two, they wouldn't be needed if CCP would just create role that grants access to PC instead of everyone being allowed in. Unless of course you only created a feeder corp to protect your KDR from noobs, like the imps.

lol taking 1 line out of a post and quoting it hahaha

good job. you still have nothing to add but the usual **** you keep spamming

Care to explain? Not being sarcastic, I'm just that ignorant as to their utility. Like what are they used for in EVE and such?

FIX1: planetary conquest corp roles.

FIX2: the 2 minute server pick time in barge should be in lockdown so that you cannot leave unseen after inviting the party crash.


AWOX is a legitimate, enriching mechanic and should be supported. The awoxer would be much more valuable as a spy in the long term, letting them go for one match is worth it for the victim.

I am against kicking options. Too much of a hand holder. I advocate the green light system. Only people who have been "green lighted" by a director or CEO may join. Anyone in their squad is of course pulled in green light or no. As such spies have to work to earn that trust. Instead of giving corps an oh **** button, they get management and screening tools. However once someone is on the warbarge they are there in the battle coded to the crus and that's that. I also think it'll encourage corps to put more emphasis on squad leader training and improve overall teamwork/tactical play for all corps. Spying is still viable as in-game betrayal. That's my 2isk on balance anyway.

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so you agree with my opinion that Sloth shared, yet you say...



we don't share a single aspect other than you agreeing with my point. I don't go around spamming EVE catch phrases cuz I'm too idiotic to say anything of value. I'm done here.

You agree with my post, although you were too busy trying to troll to notice. Good job at contributing btw

Before battle:

1 - If you-¦re in a player corporation, you answer to people with functions / roles.

2 - One of this functions/roles, should be the one of designating people to battle on the corporations behalf.

3 - Be it assigning a squad leader and letting him choose his team, or handpicking the entire team themselves.

4 - Any resposability of bad picking lies with the person responsible for the battle designations.

During battle:

1 - Implement a "Prevent spawn" similar to the flag already in place that is used when a team is out of clones to respawn.

2 - An active awoxer remains active until death.

3 - Awoxer cannot respawn at that battle, but still takes a slot, damaging the team.


This way you can awox, you can damage the team, and you have a PERSON that is responsible for anything that happens with the team.

If an awoxer got in, blame your HR responsible, fire him or have proper selection next time.

In the short term password protection on a match by match basis is probably the best alternative.

There is no need for it. The problem should fix itself in the next couple of days. If corps are not putting in safe guards now then there is no help for them and they deserve it. Research save a lot of tears. We have almost everything we need, a role that designates a squad leader as a person who can enter PC is probably the best fix.