Maybe you misunderstand Dust a bit.

The game is not designed to hold your hand every time you make a booboo. I mean why in the hell do you lose your fittings when you die?

If you throw kicking in its going to nullify any mistakes easily it would be like oh noes 6 strangers, /kick, invite regulars, almost no harm done.

How about this for a compromise?

To kick a guy from a battle you have to kick them from the corp in order to do so.

Short disclaimer before going off into the sunset on fixing the issue.

I'll admit it is far too easy and there needs to be some 'challenge' added for it to happen. Over time though corps will eventually burn all the alts out of the corp so this problem might die down or be reasonably managed within the coming weeks well before CCP pushes out a Sony patch to fix it.

/kick or /votekick option would result in well... lets say far more drama and actual 'real grief' than Awoxing itself.

Example 1 of why kick is bad.
Timmy wanted to enjoy PC for the first time, he is rather fresh and nobody else was available to help fight at the minute the battle started. Timmy we come to find out is far better than originally though far better than the guy he is filling in for. Johnny logs on a minute late to the fight and see that Timmy took his spot. Johnny /kicks Timmy right in the middle of a what would have been a game winning hack and costs the corporation the planet. Johnny would have got fired but he's the CEO and blames Timmy for the loss and kicks him from the corp for something not his fault.

Example 2 of why kick is bad.
Floyd is a spy, he got the role to kick people from a corp match. The corp all goes into a battle and Floyd being very sneaky invites his not so friendly friends and makes them squad leader, and then kicks everyone that isn't his friends out. End Result nobody suspects Floyd because Floyd isn't in the fight and there is not a single friendly on the field. The one sided match does into a grand Mario Kart Race.

TL:DR
Barring the /kick option. What other 'out of the box' solutions would you have? Role? Other Mechanics? Corp Tools? Flagging?

Anyways the floor is yours guys and gals; have at it.

I know the roles system is still being worked on CCP but I fear that it may not be something you can hot fix in as its mostly new behavior and lots of work. CCP has expressed roles are the more permanent solution. However right now the idea of this thread is to possibly explore possible hot patch-able solutions.

Iron Wolf Saber and Nova Knife.

Just focus on reviewing the ideas people are giving you for this thread. Trust me, it creates less stress and it's more productive.

Dude, your concepts are garbage. Please do the job you were selected for, figure out a good way to vote for CPMs, and then gtfo.

Part of the job is calling CCP on their ****. Telling them not to implement a half-assed broken mechanic to 'fix' another half-assed broken mechanic is a natural step from this.

(If you think Player kicking will stop Awoxing, It won't. Players will just awox every match that doesn't have a director (or someone with the 'kick role' present.)

Kicking is not a solution. It is a problem. We need to let the kick idea die in a fire and come up with solutions that will actually address the problem.

Yay, Edits : Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm not representing people who care about the issue. Look at this thread and Kain's. There's plenty of people opposed to the notion of players having the ability to kick other players under any circumstances. There's two sides (or more) to every coin.

Yay, more edits : It's not like I represent the entire CPM"s view either. Just look at kain's thread. He obviously supports kicking. It's a hot issue, one both sides are very passionate about.

For someone whose role is 50% listening, you suck at it. My 8 year old nephew listens better.

To flat out say you're ignoring any proposal that incorporates a mechanic you personally disagree with is anathema to your job. It's even dumber when there are proposals that utilize that mechanic while avoiding the issues you CLAIM to be concerned about. But no, let's have some dipshit suicide in the MCC all match, b/c that isn't completely and totally asinine.

Gonna have to agree with Recon here. Institute a system for voting, then kindly go back to being regular players. We'll probably all enjoy it more that way, yourselves included.

Part of the job is calling CCP on their ****. Telling them not to implement a half-assed broken mechanic to 'fix' another half-assed broken mechanic is a natural step from this.

(If you think Player kicking will stop Awoxing, It won't. Players will just awox every match that doesn't have a director (or someone with the 'kick role' present.)

Kicking is not a solution. It is a problem. We need to let the kick idea die in a fire and come up with solutions that will actually address the problem.

Yay, Edits : Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm not representing people who care about the issue. Look at this thread and Kain's. There's plenty of people opposed to the notion of players having the ability to kick other players under any circumstances. There's two sides (or more) to every coin.

Allow kicking in the form of denying the use of corporate clones to the saboteur. If the enemy team wants to give them access to their clones, that's their choice. Otherwise they are removed from the battle the next time they die. Commanders and higher rank can grant clone access to rogue third parties in the battles. There should be a 1 minute timer from the time an agent is removed from the team's clones that the opposing team can allow the agent access to theirs. During this timer the agent will not be removed from the battle, just prevented from respawning if killed. This is to prevent an agent from being kicked killed and booted in rapid succession. If kicking is allowed in the pre-battle MCC the enemy team needs the ability to grant clone access that early as well. There also needs to be a 1:30 spawn timer at the start of the match, for reasons I went into elsewhere.

Add the following roles under director: Commander, Squad Lead.

Commander, Directors, and CEOs have implicit permission to join PC battles. Squad leaders need explicit permission, but only to join PC battles in general (meaning they only need a checkbox somewhere to allow them to join all PC battles, do not require explicit permission for each individual battle). Grunts require nothing, just being in the squad of someone with PC permissions to get them in. Send after-action reports to the CEO stating who joined a battle when and with whom, to prevent abusing the mechanic allowing a rogue to pull in hostile squads without ever risking his identity.

Officers can only kick players of lower rank, and they must be present in the battle to do so. Squad leaders can only kick mercs in their squad. Once kicked the player is removed from the battle the next time they die if they haven't been granted access to the other team's clones within a minute of having been kicked.

I think this is a flexible system of controls that still allows for sabotage of varying degrees of severity, dependent on how much planning went into implementing it and how much time and effort went into the infiltration.

Did you bother reading Chicago's post? Step away from your own personal view for a sec, and can you see why a console or someone That's on the "military side" of this game are anti spy? Not saying to stop it completely but how is switch the spy to red, the same as kicking? the reds have numbers in favor now.


what it seems you want is a way to water down the strength of good FPS players. What can a player do if the other one is in mcc blowing himself up? So the weak sorry "smart" can win by caging the wolf?

Password protected planetary conquest matches.

When a director moves to attack a district or gets the notification for a defense of one. They are then given the option to set a password for the match.

This makes it to where the people able to hop in a match have to be trusted, or pay off someone who is trusted to get in the match.

Lore wise, there's a reason you have to hack CRUs.

For someone whose role is 50% listening, you suck at it. My 8 year old nephew listens better.

To flat out say you're ignoring any proposal that incorporates a mechanic you personally disagree with is anathema to your job. It's even dumber when there are proposals that utilize that mechanic while avoiding the issues you CLAIM to be concerned about. But no, let's have some dipshit suicide in the MCC all match, b/c that isn't completely and totally asinine.

Gonna have to agree with Recon here. Institute a system for voting, then kindly go back to being regular players. We'll probably all enjoy it more that way, yourselves included.

In the short term password protection on a match by match basis is probably the best alternative.

Password protected planetary conquest matches.

When a director moves to attack a district or gets the notification for a defense of one. They are then given the option to set a password for the match.

This makes it to where the people able to hop in a match have to be trusted, or pay off someone who is trusted to get in the match.

Lore wise, there's a reason you have to hack CRUs.

To make it even easier just have a corp wide password that you need to have. Only the CEO can set it (eve side included) then just pass it amongst your trusted members.

In the short term password protection on a match by match basis is probably the best alternative.