passwords..

*how come you didn't think of that?*

shut up. I like that idea.

I know its simple stupid you'd think we (all) would have came up with it earlier.

First of CCP needs to allow people to hold multiple rights on dust.

3 rights attributed to members of corps to fix AWOXING

1. Right to join PC battles. This is the lowest of the rights and this only allows you to join by yourself. You can not bring a squad in.

2. Right to bring a squad in. This means you can bring in anyone you want to a PC battle. This allows you to bring none members into PC and also allows you to bring people who do not have the right to join PC by themselves. This is a spot that requires more trust.

3. the kick function. This should not be linked to directors roll at all. This needs to be a separate role in itself. Now you can only kick in the war barge. This allows you to easily get ride of anyone who might have accidently got in there and also any evil squads that sneak in with someone. Once in the match and it has started you loose rights to this function. and ur stuck with who made it into battle with you.

This makes it possible to AWOX after you have gained trust and worked your way into alliance. But it makes it difficult. You need to work your way up to gain the most rights. It also lets corps have more control over who has what rights.

So if someone reveals themselves to be a traitor they get to just eat grenades in the mcc all match? I think that's a poor mechanic since there're no way for the betrayed team to respond nor does it require any effort on the part of the other team to facilitate the betrayal and gain an advantage from it. It's just a lame suicide party.

so explain how requiring a password would prevent TKers?


im done talking to stooped over here...


you wanna argue a 'kick' function causes other issues with someone's self esteem or all kinds of meta-game hoopla that only keyboard kowboys care about just gtfo.

seriously.. if you're a good spy and get promoted where u can do this, then it just takes your AWOXing to a whole new level, BUT at the end of it you only have yourself to blame....

so sad how some people try to overanalyze such an easily resolved scenario

I am firmly against kicking AWOXers from the match altogether. What I am in favor of, however, is kicking them from the team.

So here are my 2 ISK on the issue.

Whenever you are TKed, you have the option to initiate the "Suspect" vote on the player that killed you. A small window appears on the top left corner of the screen of every team member except for the killer, prompting them to either "Approve" (arrow up) or "Deny" (arrow down). Once a set number of votes in favor has been casted (probably half of the team, since the TKer doesn't vote), the AWOXer now has a "Suspect" flag on him. What that means is that he will be marked yellow for the remainder of his team, allowing them to kill him without losing WP. He will be also restricted access to the team's clone vats, practically putting him into "hardcore" mode with one life. Upon death he, as it was suggested previously, will be able to ask the opposite team to accept him in, and a vote similar to "Suspect" would be performed to accept or reject his request.

In the case where the enemy team doesn't accept the betrayer, his clone would remain on the ground for an extended period of time. During this time, if the AWOXer has a buddy that didn't yet reveal himself or wasn't killed as a Suspect, the latter can revive the fallen AWOXer silently and let him continue on his rampage. Note that the location of the downed Suspect should be shown to every merc in the battle with a nanite injector as the yellow NI sign to indicate that this is not simply a team member calling for help.

Squad leaders should also have a "Suspect" option on their command wheel; this option would initiate the vote as well. This command would be useful when you see a person sabotaging your team but not by means of TKing anyone (for example, he still shoots his teammates, but only brings them to low health for the enemy to finish).

I definitely agree with the suggestions of the corp roles, but I believe that the method described above will help when there are no people with sufficient rights present at the time of battle. That would especially work out better for small corps where directors and CEOs are not always online and can't decide who will go into the battles.

so explain how requiring a password would prevent TKers?

Basically you setup a password and only share it with your trusted squad leads or fighters and they can get in, everyone else will be locked out unless you have a turn coat. But at least players have to earn the trust to earn that password.

Example 2 of why kick is bad.
Floyd is a spy, he got the role to kick people from a corp match. The corp all goes into a battle and Floyd being very sneaky invites his not so friendly friends and makes them squad leader, and then kicks everyone that isn't his friends out. End Result nobody suspects Floyd because Floyd isn't in the fight and there is not a single friendly on the field. The one sided match does into a grand Mario Kart Race.

Short disclaimer before going off into the sunset on fixing the issue.

I'll admit it is far too easy and there needs to be some 'challenge' added for it to happen. Over time though corps will eventually burn all the alts out of the corp so this problem might die down or be reasonably managed within the coming weeks well before CCP pushes out a Sony patch to fix it.

/kick or /votekick option would result in well... lets say far more drama and actual 'real grief' than Awoxing itself.

Example 1 of why kick is bad.
Timmy wanted to enjoy PC for the first time, he is rather fresh and nobody else was available to help fight at the minute the battle started. Timmy we come to find out is far better than originally though far better than the guy he is filling in for. Johnny logs on a minute late to the fight and see that Timmy took his spot. Johnny /kicks Timmy right in the middle of a what would have been a game winning hack and costs the corporation the planet. Johnny would have got fired but he's the CEO and blames Timmy for the loss and kicks him from the corp for something not his fault.

Example 2 of why kick is bad.
Floyd is a spy, he got the role to kick people from a corp match. The corp all goes into a battle and Floyd being very sneaky invites his not so friendly friends and makes them squad leader, and then kicks everyone that isn't his friends out. End Result nobody suspects Floyd because Floyd isn't in the fight and there is not a single friendly on the field. The one sided match does into a grand Mario Kart Race.

TL:DR
Barring the /kick option. What other 'out of the box' solutions would you have? Role? Other Mechanics? Corp Tools? Flagging?

Anyways the floor is yours guys and gals; have at it.

The thing is they only effect one match. They went through the efforts put the work in to become trusted enought to make it into the match. So to me I do not think this is bad they have earned there right to AWOX if they make it through the warbarge and also gained the trust to be part of PC. If you allow kicking in the match then the whole ability to AWOX is basically gone because you can be replaced instantly. That is why i think kicking only before the match in the warbarge should be allowed.

Currently Awoxing doesn't guarantee wins though there was a few corps yesterday bragging about foiling evil plans of betamax infiltration.

Currently Awoxing doesn't guarantee wins though there was a few corps yesterday bragging about foiling evil plans of betamax infiltration.

Probably because they're running around trying to TK instead of wasting clones as quickly as possible. Are they even in comms relaying enemy positions and movements to their teams?

Frankly if you awox in the current system and still lose it really is an epic fail.

Absolutely.

If done right it should result in a game with:

10 vs 16 hostiles
friendlies destroying your equipment and rapidly depleting your clone reserves
all your movements and position being relayed in real time

How these guys make a mess of that is beyond me.

Password protected planetary conquest matches.

When a director moves to attack a district or gets the notification for a defense of one. They are then given the option to set a password for the match.

This makes it to where the people able to hop in a match have to be trusted, or pay off someone who is trusted to get in the match.

Lore wise, there's a reason you have to hack CRUs.

To make it even easier just have a corp wide password that you need to have. Only the CEO can set it (eve side included) then just pass it amongst your trusted members.

so explain how requiring a password would prevent TKers?

By far the best idea so far.

According to the people who watched my latest video about AWOXing not being as effective as other infiltration technique and assumed I was anti-meta, there doesn't need to be a change. It's great for the game.

Personally, I think it should require some actual effort to ruin a game. Right now, it's as simple as getting into the corp and waiting for the timer. There should be some sort of allotment selection for directors to assign slots to members. If they select an AWOXer, that's on them and the AWOXer did what he's supposed to do.

I don't think it needs to be FIXED, but there should be tweaks made to the PC battle roster.

Solution ^^

It sounds to me like Floyd has played his cards right and is benefiting from worming his way into a position of trust. Also, why would there not be a notification of who has kicked a player (like most other AAA games)? The spy does his damage in a blatant way, burns his cover but potentially has a decisive effect on the corp battle.

How about this?

Battle Commander - Can kick anyone.
Squad Leader - Can kick anyone in his squad.

If the Battle Commander is a spy, game over and rightly so. This person has played the metagame like wormtongue/littlefinger and is reaping the reward by throwing the match irrevocably.
If the Squad Leader is a spy he can start kicking members of his squad or replacing them at a critical moment in the game. He will be removed by the Battle Commander but the damage he does has a good chance of losing the battle for his host corp.

Minor issue is the password protection on channels is broke again it seems. They had fixed it a while back but it seems to be popping up again


Basically if a Dust created channel is put under PW protection one could enter the name of the chat and reset the client and you would be in the channel. While this mechanic being suggested is different it something that could end up failing or be bypassed, IE try to enter battle and get PW screen, reset client and potentailly have access to the match(granted given the need for reset likely the team will have successfully filled in by the time you relog so perhaps its moot, just playing devil's advocate).

Currently Awoxing doesn't guarantee wins though there was a few corps yesterday bragging about foiling evil plans of betamax infiltration.

It only doesn't guarantee a win if you are either A) CPM Jenza or B) Dumb and terrible at this game or C) Both