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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
108
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:13:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:hooc order wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Short disclaimer before going off into the sunset on fixing the issue.
I'll admit it is far too easy and there needs to be some 'challenge' added for it to happen. Over time though corps will eventually burn all the alts out of the corp so this problem might die down or be reasonably managed within the coming weeks well before CCP pushes out a Sony patch to fix it.
/kick or /votekick option would result in well... lets say far more drama and actual 'real grief' than Awoxing itself.
Example 1 of why kick is bad. Timmy wanted to enjoy PC for the first time, he is rather fresh and nobody else was available to help fight at the minute the battle started. Timmy we come to find out is far better than originally though far better than the guy he is filling in for. Johnny logs on a minute late to the fight and see that Timmy took his spot. Johnny /kicks Timmy right in the middle of a what would have been a game winning hack and costs the corporation the planet. Johnny would have got fired but he's the CEO and blames Timmy for the loss and kicks him from the corp for something not his fault.
Example 2 of why kick is bad. Floyd is a spy, he got the role to kick people from a corp match. The corp all goes into a battle and Floyd being very sneaky invites his not so friendly friends and makes them squad leader, and then kicks everyone that isn't his friends out. End Result nobody suspects Floyd because Floyd isn't in the fight and there is not a single friendly on the field. The one sided match does into a grand Mario Kart Race.
TL:DR Barring the /kick option. What other 'out of the box' solutions would you have? Role? Other Mechanics? Corp Tools? Flagging?
Anyways the floor is yours guys and gals; have at it. No. CRM is owned by a corp with a CEO Clones are owned by a corp with a CEO District that holds the Clones and CRM is owned by a corp with a CEO If a CEO of a corp cant control what minds can or cannot enter his clones and CRMs in his district then the whole concept of owning a district is friggin idiotic. If CCP wants infiltration into the game then they can damn well make game play out of...not some bullsh*t broken game mechanic that crap players like you can exploit. Sorry Tin Pup no one in the community likes your version of "Meta". Either tell CCP what the community has told you over and over and over again or step down from the council. Go back to cod? I hear there is very little depth in that game.
Never played the game more then an hour or two at a friends house Try again.
Also you are bad at this game and you should feel bad and should quit playing it. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
108
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are fixes but there are also discussion of those fixes. This is your guy's chance to try and change something.
Yes and the discussion has been to remove you from council along with Jenza and some other betamax idiot as well as closing the broken game mechanic that was meant to make it easy to squad up for Pub matches....all of this can be found in multiple threads.
This is not about what you want to discuss or want.
You can man up and do your job or better yet resign. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
263
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:17:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Ironwolf, both of your examples suck you know.
In example 1 it's sad for Timmy, but in that case he should find a better corp for him since that CEO (or director or whoever that kicked him) is just dumb. If a corp doesn't have a CEO and directors that can manage the kick function properly they don't deserve to be in charge of anything. I don't see how this is a problem.
In example 2 you argue that once a player have been giving the ability to kick people from the match it's a problem that he can actually make use of that to sabotage the match? Like really? The corp shouldn't have given him the ability then. I don't see how this is a problem. Example one. If the CEO can't properly secure the corporation then you should find a better corp or a box of tissues. Example two. See example one. Example zero: CCP is already planning fixes. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=655927#post655927https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=833365#post833365
Only because of butthurt and nothing else. Corps got what they deserved by allowing anyone in, if you didn't know it would happen then you should have played more attention. It's bad management not broken mechanics.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4487
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:18:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are fixes but there are also discussion of those fixes. This is your guy's chance to try and change something. Yes and the discussion has been to remove you from council along with Jenza and some other betamax idiot as well as closing the broken game mechanic that was meant to make it easy to squad up for Pub matches....all of this can be found in multiple threads. This is not about what you want to discuss or want. You can man up and do your job or better yet resign.
Okay then you're fired.
/block |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
546
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:19:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Only because of butthurt and nothing else. Corps got what they deserved by allowing anyone in, if you didn't know it would happen then you should have played more attention. It's bad management not broken mechanics.
CCP seems to disagree. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
263
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:23:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Again TL;DR, maybe that is the reason everyone is so mad about not having security in place. Try reading sometimes, it is amazing what you can learn if you spend more than one second skimming over text. Eve players are saying htfu because they have lived it, warned us about it and now they are laughing at all the crying threads because they knew it would happen just like the rest of us did.
The mechanic that needs to be added is responsibility for the failure of management to protect assets and control their members. So yes, htfu and put security first and crying second. That's how you solve this problem, not by adding more mechanics to complain about later. The first time the kick function is used to screw over a corp it will be OP and you'll be here crying how it is unfair, new players can't do it, vets are scrubs and how anyone who plays the game differently than you is bad. Just because you play the game one certain way doesn't mean we should.
TL;DR. Read more and bad things probably will not happen as often. READ MORE and TL;DR less.
. you made no effort to put feedback or suggestions in your post. You said 'crying' x3, 'TL;DR' x3, 'htfu' x2, and made 0 contribution. Well done. i find it funny you mention security, when atm ceo's and directors have no tools in place to help. I can see how a CEO in charge of of thousands of people, and can't choose who plays in PC as being ok right? How about adding something constructive and not spam "HTFU" all over the forum like you've been doing. Kthxbai
Holding corp like the rest of the responsible CEOs. Simple enough? Tools are there you failed to use the because of ignorance of the system or laziness. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
263
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:25:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Only because of butthurt and nothing else. Corps got what they deserved by allowing anyone in, if you didn't know it would happen then you should have played more attention. It's bad management not broken mechanics.
CCP seems to disagree.
Because everyone is outraged not because it is a problem. It should almost be fixed by now if the CEO is worth their salt. |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
24
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:26:00 -
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hooc order wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:hooc order wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Short disclaimer before going off into the sunset on fixing the issue.
I'll admit it is far too easy and there needs to be some 'challenge' added for it to happen. Over time though corps will eventually burn all the alts out of the corp so this problem might die down or be reasonably managed within the coming weeks well before CCP pushes out a Sony patch to fix it.
/kick or /votekick option would result in well... lets say far more drama and actual 'real grief' than Awoxing itself.
Example 1 of why kick is bad. Timmy wanted to enjoy PC for the first time, he is rather fresh and nobody else was available to help fight at the minute the battle started. Timmy we come to find out is far better than originally though far better than the guy he is filling in for. Johnny logs on a minute late to the fight and see that Timmy took his spot. Johnny /kicks Timmy right in the middle of a what would have been a game winning hack and costs the corporation the planet. Johnny would have got fired but he's the CEO and blames Timmy for the loss and kicks him from the corp for something not his fault.
Example 2 of why kick is bad. Floyd is a spy, he got the role to kick people from a corp match. The corp all goes into a battle and Floyd being very sneaky invites his not so friendly friends and makes them squad leader, and then kicks everyone that isn't his friends out. End Result nobody suspects Floyd because Floyd isn't in the fight and there is not a single friendly on the field. The one sided match does into a grand Mario Kart Race.
TL:DR Barring the /kick option. What other 'out of the box' solutions would you have? Role? Other Mechanics? Corp Tools? Flagging?
Anyways the floor is yours guys and gals; have at it. No. CRM is owned by a corp with a CEO Clones are owned by a corp with a CEO District that holds the Clones and CRM is owned by a corp with a CEO If a CEO of a corp cant control what minds can or cannot enter his clones and CRMs in his district then the whole concept of owning a district is friggin idiotic. If CCP wants infiltration into the game then they can damn well make game play out of...not some bullsh*t broken game mechanic that crap players like you can exploit. Sorry Tin Pup no one in the community likes your version of "Meta". Either tell CCP what the community has told you over and over and over again or step down from the council. Go back to cod? I hear there is very little depth in that game. Never played the game more then an hour or two at a friends house Try again. Also you are bad at this game and you should feel bad and should quit playing it.
Lies and deceit in every word of your post. |
DJINN Marauder
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
654
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:27:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:You should only be allowed to kick players if the player doing the kicking is in the game....also if the spy reaches that status... Applaus to him.
That also solves problem 1 where the CEO kicks someone from outside game. Solution ^^
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Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
93
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:27:00 -
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If a spy/saboteur/whatever gets into a game and is found out, those in command should be able to kick them out. However, they should also be able to bring in a new trusted merc to take the place of the offender. Give it a timer for replacement merc deployment or something. While not perfect it still gives the corp command control, and still allows the metagame to be played. It just adds another level or two of planning and more potential security measures. Though short of accurate intel on potential recruits and time earned trust, the possibility of awoxing exists. Though I like the idea of two corps, one for command and one for the grunts. |
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
263
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:29:00 -
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If they can join then what does kicking do? They can just rejoin as soon as they get out thus causing the one kicking the awoxers out to miss the battle. Mission accomplished.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1779
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:30:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Again TL;DR, maybe that is the reason everyone is so mad about not having security in place. Try reading sometimes, it is amazing what you can learn if you spend more than one second skimming over text. Eve players are saying htfu because they have lived it, warned us about it and now they are laughing at all the crying threads because they knew it would happen just like the rest of us did.
The mechanic that needs to be added is responsibility for the failure of management to protect assets and control their members. So yes, htfu and put security first and crying second. That's how you solve this problem, not by adding more mechanics to complain about later. The first time the kick function is used to screw over a corp it will be OP and you'll be here crying how it is unfair, new players can't do it, vets are scrubs and how anyone who plays the game differently than you is bad. Just because you play the game one certain way doesn't mean we should.
TL;DR. Read more and bad things probably will not happen as often. READ MORE and TL;DR less.
. you made no effort to put feedback or suggestions in your post. You said 'crying' x3, 'TL;DR' x3, 'htfu' x2, and made 0 contribution. Well done. i find it funny you mention security, when atm ceo's and directors have no tools in place to help. I can see how a CEO in charge of of thousands of people, and can't choose who plays in PC as being ok right? How about adding something constructive and not spam "HTFU" all over the forum like you've been doing. Kthxbai Holding corp like the rest of the responsible CEOs. Simple enough? Tools are there you failed to use the because of ignorance of the system or laziness.
Tools? Please tell me what tools CEO's have in place to select their squads? Making a secondary corp? lol... that's not "tools" if that's what you were coming with.
I'm still waiting for a contribution on your part. So far I know you're against the fix, but I still can't see a valid point being given...all I see from you is "HTFU" and "cry some more"... even when you don't use those words.
How about explaining your reason without coming across as an EVE Elitist arrogant ****...maybe?
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
109
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:31:00 -
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Quote:If you got a problem with that then I cannot help you at all.
Nor the uncounted multitudes that you ignore on this issue. Everyone (aside from betamax) wants the CEO to control what minds go into his/her clones.
Hell look at this very thread. The only people asking to keep the mechanic are Betamax. |
DJINN Marauder
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
655
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:34:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:If they can join then what does kicking do? They can just rejoin as soon as they get out thus causing the one kicking the awoxers out to miss the battle. Mission accomplished.
Not really. Awoxers are taking the place of a premade squad that was suppose to be in the battle. But they can't get in cuz of the awoxers.
Director sees awoxers in the warbarge.... And tells the squad that didnt get in to join as soon as he kicks the awoxers out of battle.
Simple! |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
329
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:37:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:If they can join then what does kicking do? They can just rejoin as soon as they get out thus causing the one kicking the awoxers out to miss the battle. Mission accomplished.
Not really. Awoxers are taking the place of a premade squad that was suppose to be in the battle. But they can't get in cuz of the awoxers. Director sees awoxers in the warbarge.... And tells the squad that didnt get in to join as soon as he kicks the awoxers out of battle. Simple!
Yes would be nice to kick them out of War Barrage before they could even effect the game. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
546
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:38:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:If they can join then what does kicking do? They can just rejoin as soon as they get out thus causing the one kicking the awoxers out to miss the battle. Mission accomplished.
Not really. Awoxers are taking the place of a premade squad that was suppose to be in the battle. But they can't get in cuz of the awoxers. Director sees awoxers in the warbarge.... And tells the squad that didnt get in to join as soon as he kicks the awoxers out of battle. Simple! Yeah, it's really that simple.
In fact, you could even kick him from the corp and then kick him from the match. That way he can't join back in even if he's fast. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1442
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:43:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:
Only because of butthurt and nothing else. Corps got what they deserved by allowing anyone in, if you didn't know it would happen then you should have played more attention. It's bad management not broken mechanics.
lol "corp security"
You play a couple matches with a person and ask them some stuff, then you stick them in a feeder corp for 2 months and play more matches in the meantime.
Wow, that sure is some awesome security
But hey, at least it demonstrates patience on the spy's part
Feeder corps are the way of the future. Lets just ignore the fact that they''ll be completely useless if we ever get a role that determines PC eligibility. |
Rains Akkadian
BetaMax. CRONOS.
28
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:43:00 -
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I would like to see a proper system where the CEO/Directors of a company can issue a contract of mercenary employment for the battle. This could be restricted to a list of people, a corporation, multiple corporations, an alliance or public.
Mercenaries can then apply for the contract showing their interest several minutes before the start of the match.
Finally the CEO/Director of the corporation who initiated the contract would be able review the applicants and accept or refuse each one individually. Maybe even accepting more than space allows to cater for the possibility of a mercenary no-show (or connection problems)
There is also potential here for a Squad Leader to apply for a contract on behalf of his entire squad. In this case the CEO/Director would be able to review and accept or refuse the entire squad as a unit.
I appreciate that this is thinking much bigger picture than solving the issue that resides right now. I also appreciate that if this system would pose problem if there were no CEO's/Director online to review/accept contract applications. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1442
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:45:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:If they can join then what does kicking do? They can just rejoin as soon as they get out thus causing the one kicking the awoxers out to miss the battle. Mission accomplished.
Not really. Awoxers are taking the place of a premade squad that was suppose to be in the battle. But they can't get in cuz of the awoxers. Director sees awoxers in the warbarge.... And tells the squad that didnt get in to join as soon as he kicks the awoxers out of battle. Simple! Yeah, it's really that simple. In fact, you could even kick him from the corp and then kick him from the match. That way he can't join back in even if he's fast. No, you let him stay in the corp silly At the very least, you should let him keep the SL role before you kick him |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
977
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:50:00 -
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People are getting too caught up on kicking as a 'solution'.
The Long term, 'Best' Fix is proper roles to manage who can join PC, and Toggles for if a corp wants to allow 'ringers' in their matches or not. (Ringing honestly needs it's own contract marketplace IMO, but that is another issue/feature for later)
The only reason CCP is discussing kicking is because it's something they can implement fairly quickly. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want ANOTHER half-assed, ill thought and disruptive mechanic put into the game to 'fix' a problem that only exists because of the same reason.
To put it simply; CCP will add kicking over my QQ'ing corpse. I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any player from ever having control of the ability to kick another from any match. Of course, CCP is under no obligation to listen to me, but that's my thoughts on it. Every lobby multiplayer game I have ever played that allowed kicking, it was abused. It was not fun for anyone but the person doing the kicking. I can promise you that if a player is ever able to kick another player from the match... It will be used for far worse things than someone wasting an alt to win a match for their friends.
Just because someone has director roles doesn't mean they aren't a jerk. You could argue "Oh, they should find a new corp if their directors suck" but what if they like their corpmates, and the director is so far up the CEO's ass that he will never be punished?
Instead of getting caught up on 'fixing' the real problem by creating a different (much worse) problem, what people should be doing in this thread is exploring other methods to stop effortless sabotage that CCP can implement in the short term, that won't cause a massive headache and ruin people's fun?
'Preventing' the awox is a far more important step than 'stopping' the awox IMO. Proper role management IS coming. That fix WILL happen, but not any time in the immediate future. They need to wait for a major expansion for that. Like I said above : right now what the community should focus on is something that will make things better in the meantime without making things worse elsewhere. |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1442
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:54:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:
'Preventing' the awox is a far more important step than 'stopping' the awox IMO. Proper role management IS coming. That fix WILL happen, but not any time in the immediate future. They need to wait for a major expansion for that. Like I said above : right now what the community should focus on is something that will make things better in the meantime without making things worse elsewhere.
Well, the temporary solution is obvious, move anyone you don't trust into a feeder corp.
Now if CCP could add the ability to terminate a corp, once it's no longer needed, instead of having all these useless alt-run 1-man corps, then that would be nice. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
263
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:55:00 -
[52] - Quote
What more do you need? Main corp with trusted mercs a squad leaders, the squad leaders fill their squad with they members the trust and want to be in the battle. The squad leaders join the battle. Where the is the problem? The problem is you or your ceo. Not the game mechanics. This awox problem is lame and preventable. My 10 year old daughter could prevent this just by reading. I forget you TL;DR everything so why am I so surprised by your replies and incorrect assumptions of what I am? This debated is a joke, the problem is lax recruitment and poor execution.
I have given ways to prevent or lessen the problem but you are too busy being a fps douche that has everything given to them rather than thinking about the future. I call them like I see them and you ain't no looker.
People are mad that they got screwed and I understand that but junk shouldn't be added to the game because of noobs mistakes from mercs who don't understand what they are getting into. Almost every corp has this problem but only a few are trying to get the game changed. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
263
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:00:00 -
[53] - Quote
Nova Knife wrote:People are getting too caught up on kicking as a 'solution'.
The Long term, 'Best' Fix is proper roles to manage who can join PC, and Toggles for if a corp wants to allow 'ringers' in their matches or not. (Ringing honestly needs it's own contract marketplace IMO, but that is another issue/feature for later)
The only reason CCP is discussing kicking is because it's something they can implement fairly quickly. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want ANOTHER half-assed, ill thought and disruptive mechanic put into the game to 'fix' a problem that only exists because of the same reason.
To put it simply; CCP will add kicking over my QQ'ing corpse. I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any player from ever having control of the ability to kick another from any match. Of course, CCP is under no obligation to listen to me, but that's my thoughts on it. Every lobby multiplayer game I have ever played that allowed kicking, it was abused. It was not fun for anyone but the person doing the kicking. I can promise you that if a player is ever able to kick another player from the match... It will be used for far worse things than someone wasting an alt to win a match for their friends.
Just because someone has director roles doesn't mean they aren't a jerk. You could argue "Oh, they should find a new corp if their directors suck" but what if they like their corpmates, and the director is so far up the CEO's ass that he will never be punished?
Instead of getting caught up on 'fixing' the real problem by creating a different (much worse) problem, what people should be doing in this thread is exploring other methods to stop effortless sabotage that CCP can implement in the short term, that won't cause a massive headache and ruin people's fun?
'Preventing' the awox is a far more important step than 'stopping' the awox IMO. Proper role management IS coming. That fix WILL happen, but not any time in the immediate future. They need to wait for a major expansion for that. Like I said above : right now what the community should focus on is something that will make things better in the meantime without making things worse elsewhere.
+1
Lance this is a good idea but you probably TL;DR so what is the point? Before I forget, stop QQing, htfu, this is New Eden, this is how EVE does it and we knew it was going to happen. |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
26
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:02:00 -
[54] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:
Only because of butthurt and nothing else. Corps got what they deserved by allowing anyone in, if you didn't know it would happen then you should have played more attention. It's bad management not broken mechanics.
lol "corp security" You play a couple matches with a person and ask them some stuff, then you stick them in a feeder corp for 2 months and play more matches in the meantime. Wow, that sure is some awesome security But hey, at least it demonstrates patience on the spy's part Feeder corps are the way of the future. Lets just ignore the fact that they''ll be completely useless if we ever get a role that determines PC eligibility.
Feeder corps will still have their place even if a role is created. It's a good practice. As are holding corps. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1442
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:03:00 -
[55] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:What more do you need? Main corp with trusted mercs a squad leaders, the squad leaders fill their squad with they members the trust and want to be in the battle. The squad leaders join the battle. Where the is the problem? The problem is you or your ceo. Not the game mechanics. This awox problem is lame and preventable. My 10 year old daughter could prevent this just by reading. I forget you TL;DR everything so why am I so surprised by your replies and incorrect assumptions of what I am? This debated is a joke, the problem is lax recruitment and poor execution.
I have given ways to prevent or lessen the problem but you are too busy being a fps douche that has everything given to them rather than thinking about the future. I call them like I see them and you ain't no looker.
People are mad that they got screwed and I understand that but junk shouldn't be added to the game because of noobs mistakes from mercs who don't understand what they are getting into. Almost every corp has this problem but only a few are trying to get the game changed. Well, for one, feeder corps are lame Two, they wouldn't be needed if CCP would just create role that grants access to PC instead of everyone being allowed in. Unless of course you only created a feeder corp to protect your KDR from noobs, like the imps.
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
263
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:03:00 -
[56] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:
Only because of butthurt and nothing else. Corps got what they deserved by allowing anyone in, if you didn't know it would happen then you should have played more attention. It's bad management not broken mechanics.
lol "corp security" You play a couple matches with a person and ask them some stuff, then you stick them in a feeder corp for 2 months and play more matches in the meantime. Wow, that sure is some awesome security But hey, at least it demonstrates patience on the spy's part Feeder corps are the way of the future. Lets just ignore the fact that they''ll be completely useless if we ever get a role that determines PC eligibility.
Funny that they are still used in EVE. Make the squad leader role an assignable position that allows them to deploy in PC. Other than that roles will not change anything. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1442
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:05:00 -
[57] - Quote
GLiMPSE X wrote: Feeder corps will still have their place even if a role is created. It's a good practice. As are holding corps.
Care to explain? Not being sarcastic, I'm just that ignorant as to their utility. Like what are they used for in EVE and such? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1800
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:05:00 -
[58] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:Nova Knife wrote:People are getting too caught up on kicking as a 'solution'.
The Long term, 'Best' Fix is proper roles to manage who can join PC, and Toggles for if a corp wants to allow 'ringers' in their matches or not. (Ringing honestly needs it's own contract marketplace IMO, but that is another issue/feature for later)
The only reason CCP is discussing kicking is because it's something they can implement fairly quickly. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want ANOTHER half-assed, ill thought and disruptive mechanic put into the game to 'fix' a problem that only exists because of the same reason.
To put it simply; CCP will add kicking over my QQ'ing corpse. I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any player from ever having control of the ability to kick another from any match. Of course, CCP is under no obligation to listen to me, but that's my thoughts on it. Every lobby multiplayer game I have ever played that allowed kicking, it was abused. It was not fun for anyone but the person doing the kicking. I can promise you that if a player is ever able to kick another player from the match... It will be used for far worse things than someone wasting an alt to win a match for their friends.
Just because someone has director roles doesn't mean they aren't a jerk. You could argue "Oh, they should find a new corp if their directors suck" but what if they like their corpmates, and the director is so far up the CEO's ass that he will never be punished?
Instead of getting caught up on 'fixing' the real problem by creating a different (much worse) problem, what people should be doing in this thread is exploring other methods to stop effortless sabotage that CCP can implement in the short term, that won't cause a massive headache and ruin people's fun?
'Preventing' the awox is a far more important step than 'stopping' the awox IMO. Proper role management IS coming. That fix WILL happen, but not any time in the immediate future. They need to wait for a major expansion for that. Like I said above : right now what the community should focus on is something that will make things better in the meantime without making things worse elsewhere. +1 Lance this is a good idea but you probably TL;DR so what is the point? Before I forget, stop QQing, htfu, this is New Eden, this is how EVE does it and we knew it was going to happen.
lol taking 1 line out of a post and quoting it hahaha
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Sloth9230 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:What more do you need? Main corp with trusted mercs a squad leaders, the squad leaders fill their squad with they members the trust and want to be in the battle. The squad leaders join the battle. Where the is the problem? The problem is you or your ceo. Not the game mechanics. This awox problem is lame and preventable. My 10 year old daughter could prevent this just by reading. I forget you TL;DR everything so why am I so surprised by your replies and incorrect assumptions of what I am? This debated is a joke, the problem is lax recruitment and poor execution.
I have given ways to prevent or lessen the problem but you are too busy being a fps douche that has everything given to them rather than thinking about the future. I call them like I see them and you ain't no looker.
People are mad that they got screwed and I understand that but junk shouldn't be added to the game because of noobs mistakes from mercs who don't understand what they are getting into. Almost every corp has this problem but only a few are trying to get the game changed. Well, for one, feeder corps are lame Two, they wouldn't be needed if CCP would just create role that grants access to PC instead of everyone being allowed in. Unless of course you only created a feeder corp to protect your KDR from noobs, like the imps.
Agreed. A role that grants access to PC is the only fix that will work.
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:07:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Nova Knife wrote:People are getting too caught up on kicking as a 'solution'.
The Long term, 'Best' Fix is proper roles to manage who can join PC, and Toggles for if a corp wants to allow 'ringers' in their matches or not. (Ringing honestly needs it's own contract marketplace IMO, but that is another issue/feature for later)
The only reason CCP is discussing kicking is because it's something they can implement fairly quickly. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want ANOTHER half-assed, ill thought and disruptive mechanic put into the game to 'fix' a problem that only exists because of the same reason.
To put it simply; CCP will add kicking over my QQ'ing corpse. I will fight tooth and nail to prevent any player from ever having control of the ability to kick another from any match. Of course, CCP is under no obligation to listen to me, but that's my thoughts on it. Every lobby multiplayer game I have ever played that allowed kicking, it was abused. It was not fun for anyone but the person doing the kicking. I can promise you that if a player is ever able to kick another player from the match... It will be used for far worse things than someone wasting an alt to win a match for their friends.
Just because someone has director roles doesn't mean they aren't a jerk. You could argue "Oh, they should find a new corp if their directors suck" but what if they like their corpmates, and the director is so far up the CEO's ass that he will never be punished?
Instead of getting caught up on 'fixing' the real problem by creating a different (much worse) problem, what people should be doing in this thread is exploring other methods to stop effortless sabotage that CCP can implement in the short term, that won't cause a massive headache and ruin people's fun?
'Preventing' the awox is a far more important step than 'stopping' the awox IMO. Proper role management IS coming. That fix WILL happen, but not any time in the immediate future. They need to wait for a major expansion for that. Like I said above : right now what the community should focus on is something that will make things better in the meantime without making things worse elsewhere. +1 Lance this is a good idea but you probably TL;DR so what is the point? Before I forget, stop QQing, htfu, this is New Eden, this is how EVE does it and we knew it was going to happen. lol taking 1 line out of a post and quoting it hahaha good job. you still have nothing to add but the usual **** you keep spamming
Then we are at least equal in that aspect.
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