or the guys you infiltrated into the battle where the bottom of the merc marketplace.

I know its simple stupid you'd think we (all) would have came up with it earlier.

Why would you infiltrate a battle vs. a corp that was the bottom of the merc marketplace? Seems like a waste of time to infiltrate the worst merc corp in Dust...aim a little higher.

Maybe because this has been suggested months ago and multiple times in this thread.

You say, give us ideas to fix this problem! So we do, and you ignore them because they can't be hotfixed. Well you asked for Roles, Corp tools and Flagging, and said "outside of kicking". How are we to know what is hotfixable and what requires more? I can't give ideas on something you haven't even defined. No wonder some people are exasperated with the CPM.

I won't know until I ask either. Passwords are 'feasible' but the hardest of the options right now.

"Care to lay out "the options right now"

Yes and the discussion has been to remove you from council along with Jenza and some other betamax idiot as well as closing the broken game mechanic that was meant to make it easy to squad up for Pub matches....all of this can be found in multiple threads.

This is not about what you want to discuss or want.

You can man up and do your job or better yet resign.

That was kind of the point of this thread.

To lay out options and then get CCP's input on what is possible to get out in a matter of days or weeks, without waiting months for an expansion.


Ironwolf is just not very good at creating threads like this yet :P

I won't know until I ask either. Passwords are 'feasible' but the hardest of the options right now.

Okay I understand then.

I'm not sure how long another solution is away, but I prefer the toggle idea that you can choose to allow only Corp members into PC battles, or open it. It seems simpler than the password to implement, and I don't feel the Corp communication tools are adequate to make the password idea work without a lot of frustration at the moment.

Probably the easiest to implement idea I had was to make a Market item that was a "PC pass", ensuring that players have enough SP to obtain it, as a barrier to newly created alts being spies. This makes spies have to work harder on the character in order to sabotage someone, and this would create a barrier to people being unattached to that character since they will have had to play it long enough to get there. I would bury it into the skill tree, behind a core skill, and make people aware of it. This is probably one of the more contentious ideas.

ie. requiring engineering and others to be at skill 1 before it can be obtained.

Interesting idea with the PC Pass

Just want to make sure you are aware, it is possible for a more experienced spy to bring in a squad of newly created alts and then leave the battle so no ones knows who brought in the Awoxers...thus why your idea and the password ideas make a certain bit of sense but they don't address the real problem.

Passwords could be exploited to bring in a squad of alts yes, but a PC Pass would not. Every alt would need a PC Pass, not just squad leaders.

agreed if the PC Pass was high enough in SP. As in in order to participate in PC a merc needs to have 5 million SP...

Though is a few months, all of the passive SP alts out there will have that much SP.

Thus, I still urge a Director kick all, squad leader kicks squad option.

I think we need to get through to a more permanent solution, so having an SP requirement would be simple to implement, and buy a couple of months while they get the roles sorted out.

I think we need to get through to a more permanent solution, so having an SP requirement would be simple to implement, and buy a couple of months while they get the roles sorted out.

Example 1 of why kick is bad.
Timmy wanted to enjoy PC for the first time, he is rather fresh and nobody else was available to help fight at the minute the battle started. Timmy we come to find out is far better than originally though far better than the guy he is filling in for. Johnny logs on a minute late to the fight and see that Timmy took his spot. Johnny /kicks Timmy right in the middle of a what would have been a game winning hack and costs the corporation the planet. Johnny would have got fired but he's the CEO and blames Timmy for the loss and kicks him from the corp for something not his fault.

Example 2 of why kick is bad.
Floyd is a spy, he got the role to kick people from a corp match. The corp all goes into a battle and Floyd being very sneaky invites his not so friendly friends and makes them squad leader, and then kicks everyone that isn't his friends out. End Result nobody suspects Floyd because Floyd isn't in the fight and there is not a single friendly on the field. The one sided match does into a grand Mario Kart Race.

If the CEO is doing things like that, then they deserve the loss. Now what might happen is that Timmy is absolutely terrible going 0-20 and not following orders, and the majority of the players (or somebody of great tactical importance that knows what he is doing) request that Timmy be kicked and replaced with the original fighter, Johnny. In which case it works out great.




This would be a perfect example of legit meta-gaming. The CEO gave this player the power to kick, and if that player backstabs the corp and gets away with it, then more power to them. That is how meta-gaming is supposed to work.

Ok.

I'm not an expert on programming and I know that there certain aspects of the Eve client that make the Dev's at CCP regard it as Dave Bowman does HAL after he's got back on board the Discovery......

I understand that the kick idea is one that can be implemented fairly quickly but it seem's a little draconian and could be abused in the long term. As a very short term solution I'd support it.


But I was spit balling with Nova Knife and Cookie about the problem and I don't know it this will work but here goes.

This would involve the use of the Eve client. I know, many, many mercs don'y play Eve. But from personal experience, I'd say that either the directors or CEO of nearly all the major PC engaged corps will be using an Eve client for the heavy lifting of corp management.

For those that don't use the Eve client, you can assign any role to any merc in your corp. But Dust only recognises two of them, CEO and Director at this time.

If you could use the Eve client to assign an existing role that has no relevance at all to Dust, say as an example Hanger Manager, then the Dust Client could detect that as a 'Red Flag' and allow any merc with it access to the Corp matches, effectively giving us a pre-made roster system.

For those without access to an Eve client, the kick function could be added as a short term solution.

Upon further reflection and consideration of the issues, I have come to the conclusion that easy team killing should not be a viable option in a competitive first person shooter. I understand this is New Eden and that sort of thing may be present in EVE Online, but EVE is not a FPS, it is not limited to the number of participants in battle (you can call for immediate back up to deal with team killers in EVE) and EVE is not billed as a competitive FPS game.